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spacejamz
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creeping in a "little"??? check the web pages for the news sites of major cities near the border....Arizona, Texas, California, etc...
All the beheadings, kidnappings, and murder stories are everyday news now...Most people don't even get shocked by these stories anymore...
According to so many of the fans of immigration on this board, a wonderful world of riches awaits us the more we import Mexican immigrants. Now this might be more plausible if they favored assimilation, but most of them don't. Most of the pro-immigration people on this board almost seem to think assimilation is evil. Mexico is a decent country in terms of arable land and natural resources. Why is it ghetto? Its culture.
And of course, we only need to look at the last couple decades of Mexican immigration. The states like California and Texas have basically lost their first world status. They are more like Brazil or Mexico. Rich for rich people and a shithole for the rest.
According to this article, over 34,000 people have died in Mexico's drug wars just in the last 4.5 years.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...can-violence-protest-20110509,0,5580937.story
That is a shocking statistic. I doubt that all organized crime combined has caused that many deaths in all of US history.
It's about time that people the world over realize that the costs of drug prohibition far outweigh any benefits that may accrue.
- wolf
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...can-violence-protest-20110509,0,5580937.story
That is a shocking statistic. I doubt that all organized crime combined has caused that many deaths in all of US history.
It's about time that people the world over realize that the costs of drug prohibition far outweigh any benefits that may accrue.
- wolf
K1052
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No, I think digging a moat around Mexico and filling it with gasoline is a much more practical option.
spacejamz
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It is truly pathethic that you cannot put the blame where it squarely belongs....If the Mexican government dealt with the things it CAN control internally, most of this problem would be non-existent...
Instead, the government is pretty much paid for by the drug cartels so they have no motivation to arrest and punish those responsible...It is alot easier to blame the US...
They need to get their house in order first but sadly that day won't be happening anytime soon and innocent people on both sides of the border will be continue to be killed.
WelshBloke
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I agree with you to a certain extent, but the amount of money poring south is obviously making it impossible for the government to work.
If you read your own post you'd see you agree with this already.
xj0hnx
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Um ...no. Our cities here are no different than any city in the US, plenty of rich areas, plenty of nice middle class areas, and plenty of shithole ghettos.
xj0hnx
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That's fine, let them, but it will have a much smaller effect on our side of the border, and our people will be less persecuted.
I was exaggerating a little but don't be too sure of yourself as Texas is producing tons of minimum wage jobs these days. Things are moving in the wrong direction...
spacejamz
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Dallas, Houston, Austin are a far cry from El Paso, Brownsville and other cities on the border....
Murloc
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militarizing the border wouldn't solve shit.
In the airport of the most important city in my country they catch people with kg of cocaine too often.
If you catch them that often, but they keep coming, it means that there are lots of them that go through.
So even if no one passes through unguarded mexican borders anymore, you will still have a drug problem. It will just be a little harder for them.
It's a Mexican problem because they have corruption ingrained in their society.
But you can't really blame them: if people around you are getting killed, are you willing to stand up alone and die just because it's right?
the laws work only if they are respected.
If you come to a point were a law is broken by too many people, you can't enforce it anymore, and it becomes pointless because it isn't making a difference anymore.
It sucks because they can't get out of corruption and fear at this point.
If the citizen have no guarantee of safety, they will stay silent.
In the airport of the most important city in my country they catch people with kg of cocaine too often.
If you catch them that often, but they keep coming, it means that there are lots of them that go through.
So even if no one passes through unguarded mexican borders anymore, you will still have a drug problem. It will just be a little harder for them.
It's a Mexican problem because they have corruption ingrained in their society.
But you can't really blame them: if people around you are getting killed, are you willing to stand up alone and die just because it's right?
the laws work only if they are respected.
If you come to a point were a law is broken by too many people, you can't enforce it anymore, and it becomes pointless because it isn't making a difference anymore.
It sucks because they can't get out of corruption and fear at this point.
If the citizen have no guarantee of safety, they will stay silent.
WelshBloke
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I live on an island.
Its half way round the world to the nearest place that grows cocaine.
We still get huge quantities coming into the place.
So, yeah, securing your boarder is not going to stop the import of drugs.
xj0hnx
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True, but those cities aren't "becoming" "third world", they have been the same for decades.
Infohawk said:
We've always had lots of minimum wage jobs, there's also lots of good jobs to be had. Plenty of work in the different areas of the energy fields that can net you a pretty penny.
Mexico's Calderon berates U.S. after casino attack
http://news.yahoo.com/grenade-attack-mexican-casino-kills-least-2-002026547.html
Uhhhh no Calderon.
I just can't imagine this kind of thing happening in the US without widespread vigilante justice and hardcore action by the government. Mexico is weak and its own people are to blame for this violence.
http://news.yahoo.com/grenade-attack-mexican-casino-kills-least-2-002026547.html
Uhhhh no Calderon.
I just can't imagine this kind of thing happening in the US without widespread vigilante justice and hardcore action by the government. Mexico is weak and its own people are to blame for this violence.
Macamus Prime
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America has a nasty drug habit. So much money is being throw at these animals. And, they will ensure they hold onto it, by any means necessary.
Also, America has a nasty greed habit. So much money is being made off of cheap labor.
Stop hiring illegals to do your work. Stop snorting, shooting up and smoking illegal drugs.
This is what happens when you are willing to spend money and break the law to get high. This what also happens when you disregard your fellow American citizen for work and go the cheap labor route to make yourself more money.
Also, America has a nasty greed habit. So much money is being made off of cheap labor.
Stop hiring illegals to do your work. Stop snorting, shooting up and smoking illegal drugs.
This is what happens when you are willing to spend money and break the law to get high. This what also happens when you disregard your fellow American citizen for work and go the cheap labor route to make yourself more money.
Very true. Calderon points the finger at us so he and his corrupt friends can keep taking those kick backs from the cartels.
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