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53 killed in attack on Mexico casino...

ProfJohn

ProfJohn

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This is sad. Mexico is going to have to get really serious in going after these gangs.

Normal police actions don't work because the gangs just kill or intimidate the police. Mexico may have to start treating this as a real war and go in guns blazing. And that raises the risk that innocent people are going to get caught in the cross fire.

Taking these gangs down violently might be the only hope for Mexico at this point.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110826/D9PBMJ4O0.html
MONTERREY, Mexico (AP) - The death toll climbed as workers continued to pull bodies out of a burned casino in northern Mexico, where gunmen spread gasoline and ignited a fire that trapped and killed at least 53 gamblers and employees.

Family members gathered at the caution tape outside the Casino Royale after the Thursday afternoon fire in the northern industrial city of Monterrey, some crying and others yelling at police for providing no information. Later they were allowed to view bodies in the morgue to help identify the victims.

Francisco Tamayo, 28, of Monterrey, said he and family members looked at some 40 bodies in search of his mother, Sonia de la Pena, 47, who loved to gamble at the casino and was there on average four days a week. They had yet to find her.
When Tamayo learned of the fire from television, he first went to the scene.

"She's probably here," said Tamayo, who repeatedly called her cell phone, only to hear that it was out of the area of service.

Gov. Rodrigo Medina told the Televisa network late Thursday that the death toll had reached 53. The fire in a city that has seen a surge in drug cartel-related violence represented one of the deadliest attacks on an entertainment center in Mexico since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against drug cartels in late 2006.
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Just a partial quote the rest can be found at the link
 
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Yeah the government there is losing control as the cartel violence spreads to more upscale areas. It's already impacting their tourist revenues to some extent. Wait until it starts to encroah on tourist areas and some Americans or other foreign nationals are killed. That will be the end of their profitable tourist industry. Sadly, I don't see a solution other than using the military in a direct, armed confrontation either. 🙁
 
Josh said:
Legalize it.
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Did you read the story?

This has nothing to do with drugs. The gangs are branching out into extortion.

Plus this is all about power and money. Take away the drug trade and they will find a new way to make money.
 
ProfJohn said:
Did you read the story?

This has nothing to do with drugs. The gangs are branching out into extortion.

Plus this is all about power and money. Take away the drug trade and they will find a new way to make money.
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you are right but we could significantly harm their current business and help generate wealth for Americans. If they want to get into the business of oppressing people it will just make the job of getting rid of them so much easier.
 
ProfJohn said:
Normal police actions don't work because the gangs just kill or intimidate the police. Mexico may have to start treating this as a real war and going in guns blazing. And that raises the risk that innocent people are going to get caught in the cross fire.
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Those people in the Casino were innocent. They're already in the cross fire, it's just that their government is losing.
 
ProfJohn said:
Did you read the story?

This has nothing to do with drugs. The gangs are branching out into extortion.

Plus this is all about power and money. Take away the drug trade and they will find a new way to make money.
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The "new ways" of making money are much harder, otherwise they would already be doing them.
 
The Mexican president blames the US for allowing automatic weapons into their country as well not decreasing the demand for illegal drugs...

No mention of corruption in the Mexican government though...
 
A few years ago Monterrey was hardly exposed to this but is now a huge hot spot for violence, which is completely out of control, obviously. I didn't even see this article until coming to AT. It's barely on the front page of CNN and fox because this happens all the time in Mexico. If it's not a casino it's a bar, or headless cadavers thrown on sidewalks.

I found a site a while back that regularly reports on this stuff and it's quite shocking and very regular.

I have no idea what to do about it. Just glad I don't live there.
 
spacejamz said:
The Mexican president blames the US for allowing automatic weapons into their country as well not decreasing the demand for illegal drugs...

No mention of corruption in the Mexican government though...
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44282514/ns/world_news-americas/


Mexico president blasts US after casino massacre

Calderon also once again lashed out at the United States, saying it is not doing enough to reduce the country's high demand for illicit drugs or to stop the illegal trafficking of U.S. weapons into Mexico.
 
ProfJohn said:
This is sad. Mexico is going to have to get really series in going after these gangs.

Normal police actions don't work because the gangs just kill or intimidate the police. Mexico may have to start treating this as a real war and going in guns blazing. And that raises the risk that innocent people are going to get caught in the cross fire.

Taking these gangs down violently might be the only hope for Mexico at this point.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110826/D9PBMJ4O0.html

Just a partial quote the rest can be found at the link
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I'm not sure how this became a Mexican problem, when American buy drugs and sell arms to the drugs dealers?
 
spacejamz said:
The Mexican president blames the US for allowing automatic weapons into their country as well not decreasing the demand for illegal drugs...

No mention of corruption in the Mexican government though...
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Well it doesn't help that Eric Holder basically pushed guns into Mexico. Of course, there's no outrage from the left.
 
spacejamz said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44282514/ns/world_news-americas/


Mexico president blasts US after casino massacre

Calderon also once again lashed out at the United States, saying it is not doing enough to reduce the country's high demand for illicit drugs or to stop the illegal trafficking of U.S. weapons into Mexico.
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Fuck Calderon, we aren't Mexico's babysitter. We should legalize all drugs, and then watch as not even the cartels can make money, and then listen for the deafening silence as Calderon runs out of excuses for why he can't run his own country.
 
Set up a dead man's land between Mexico and US and be done with it, then calderon won't have anything to bitch about.
 
iGas said:
I'm not sure how this became a Mexican problem, when American buy drugs and sell arms to the drugs dealers?
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Because the cartels are in Mexico. The US doesn't "sell arms" to Mexican cartels, well we didn't until Holder, the ATF, and DoJ started recently. The amount of guns they get from the US, is minuscule compared to the amount of weaponry they have.
 
chucky2 said:
See, even Calderon wants us to militarize the border to get control of it. Quick, lets give him what he wants!

😀
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It won't stop anything. You think that the borders in Iran, Pakistan, and all the others around Afghanistan aren't "militarized"? They are and even more heroin than ever is flowing out of there.
 
They're all bought off though. Presumably, no one would be buying off our military: And if they were, just hang whoever was being bought off, they'd be allowing the invasion to continue. Seems like a good solution to our problem, and Mexico's.
 
xj0hnx said:
Because the cartels are in Mexico. The US doesn't "sell arms" to Mexican cartels, well we didn't until Holder, the ATF, and DoJ started recently. The amount of guns they get from the US, is minuscule compared to the amount of weaponry they have.
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What we know could be the tip of the iceberg.

I'm sure it is easy to criticize the Mexican government, but in the same note one can also criticize the US government for a job well done in drugs usage and distribution as well as illegal weapon trafficking.

So far the Mexican war on drugs has been around for only 5 years, while the USA War On Drugs has been around for 40 years (Nixon 1971).
 
iGas said:
What we know could be the tip of the iceberg.

I'm sure it is easy to criticize the Mexican government, but in the same note one can also criticize the US government for a job well done in drugs usage and distribution as well as illegal weapon trafficking.
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The US Government doesn't tell people to use drugs, and until something more is discovered as far as the US covertly funneling small arms to Mexican cartels that's just conspiracy speculation.

So far the Mexican war on drugs has been around for only 5 years, while the USA War On Drugs has been around for 40 years (Nixon 1971).
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And? The War on Drugs™, no matter which country, is fruitless. You can not legislate morality, and drugs have been a part of human culture since it's beginning. Nixon was a moron, and started something that has cost our country trillions of dollars and millions of lives, it's time to end it.
 
xj0hnx said:
Fuck Calderon, we aren't Mexico's babysitter. We should legalize all drugs, and then watch as not even the cartels can make money, and then listen for the deafening silence as Calderon runs out of excuses for why he can't run his own country.
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Agree with your first sentence.
Not your second. But agree its an option. they would jsut find other means......

Should we blame him for everydeath that a MS13 or an Avenue gang memeber commits and then to boot we find they are here illeagally?


World really is going nucing futs.....
 
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