529 Plan or Roth IRA

lykaon78

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OK anandtech investment gurus and fellow parents some advice would be appreciated here.

I have a 4 month old daughter and a recent bonus from work of almost $2,000 (after taxes) that I would like to use to start a college savings account for my daughter.

The two options I am considering are:

529 Plan <Link>:
Advantages:
Tax free growth if used for qualified educational expenses.
Up to $2000/yr deduction from state taxable income (not federal).
Can be trransferred to other children or myself.
Can be withdrawn without the 10% penalty (federal income tax would still be owed on the gain).
Disadvantages:
Ultimately the growth isn't tax free if not used for college expenses.
The federal tax advantage expires 12/31/2010 and congress must re-up this provision.
Investment options limited to the companies that runs my state's plan (Putnum and Vanguard).

Roth IRA:
Advantages
Tax free growth if used for qualified education expenses or after five years for any withdraw. No penalty either for qualified expenses or after age 59.5.
Non-growth money can be withdrawn without taxes or penalty for any reason.
Unlimited Investment Options/Companies
Disadvantages:
No state tax benefit
No other???

I'm thinking I'm leaning toward the Roth. But was looking for some other opinions.

FYI: I use my 401k through work for my personal retirement account.






 

dirtboy

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Check your sources, but I believe only the basis of an IRA can be withdrawn for college without taxes or penalties. ;)

Oh, and you should be able to invest in any state's 529 plan and use it in any other state. I'd contact the company of choice to verify the portability of their plan.
 

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Check your sources, but I believe only the basis of an IRA can be withdrawn for college without taxes or penalties. ;)

Oh, and you should be able to invest in any state's 529 plan and use it in any other state. I'd contact the company of choice to verify the portability of their plan.

Yep, there are some states that allow their plan to be used in others. And there are some states that do not.

In-state plans will sometimes give you a tax break.

At the time I set up my kids' 529 plan, Georgia and California had two of the better 529 plans.
 

vi edit

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Check with a tax accountant, but I'm pretty sure that in order to contribute to a "normal" IRA one needs to have an income. So, unless your 4 month old daughter has a part time job as the Gerber Baby model, she's not *legally* supposed to be able to contribute to one.
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Check with a tax accountant, but I'm pretty sure that in order to contribute to a "normal" IRA one needs to have an income. So, unless your 4 month old daughter has a part time job as the Gerber Baby model, she's not *legally* supposed to be able to contribute to one.

He's not talking about his daughter's IRA, but his.
 

lykaon78

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Check your sources, but I believe only the basis of an IRA can be withdrawn for college without taxes or penalties. ;)

Oh, and you should be able to invest in any state's 529 plan and use it in any other state. I'd contact the company of choice to verify the portability of their plan.

Good call on the distributions, distributions beyond the basis are taxed, there may or may not be a break on the 10% additional penalty for higher education expenses - I could have sworn I read that.

Ohio gives a state tax break and their 529 plan seems reasonable. If I go that route then it will be a 529 from Ohio.


BTW: I am talking about my own IRA not in my daughters name.





 

Taggart

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Do you have any credit card or other forms of 'bad' debt (not mortgage)? Pay that off and fund your retirement accounts before you open a 529 plan!

Your daughter can work, get scholarship, take out low interest loans to pay for college.
 

spidey07

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I'm tagging along because I think this is a very good question.

One would think a 529 would be the best course as that is it's intended purpose. Some smart guy can run the numbers though.
 

PhoenixOrion

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Correct me if I'm wrong,

but I thought the biggest advantage of the 529 plan is that you lock the tuition rates at the time of start of contribution, say $50,000 (for 4-year degree)

...instead of how tuition rates will be 17 to 19 years from now when the child actually goes to college.
 

PowerEngineer

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Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
Correct me if I'm wrong,

but I thought the biggest advantage of the 529 plan is that you lock the tuition rates at the time of start of contribution, say $50,000 (for 4-year degree)

...instead of how tuition rates will be 17 to 19 years from now when the child actually goes to college.

That is unfortunately not the case. There are some states that will sell you what amount to future credit-hours, but the regular 529 plan only allows you to accumulate earnings tax free.

To the OP, the standard advice given by financial planners is to take care of your retirement needs first before saving for children's college.

Good luck!
 

oog

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Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
Correct me if I'm wrong,

but I thought the biggest advantage of the 529 plan is that you lock the tuition rates at the time of start of contribution, say $50,000 (for 4-year degree)

...instead of how tuition rates will be 17 to 19 years from now when the child actually goes to college.

that's true of 529 prepaid tuition plans, but not 529 savings plans. the prepaid tuition plans are more restrictive though.
 

b0mbrman

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I researched this a bit earlier in the year and found the best for me to be West Virginia's.

YMMV! :)
 

everman

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You might want to consider a coverdell account, you can use that for private school of any kind and college. Max contrib is $2,000 per child per year. If you max that out, then you should use a 529 savings plan, save the roth ira contributions for your own retirement.

One thing you need to look at is how the money is treated when schools are considering financial aid. The 529 & Coverdell is treated as your own (custodian of the account). Some will count against the child more than others. If you have particularly generous relatives, you can contribute up to $60,000 this year to a 529 plan (using 5 year averaging rules).

try savingforcollege.com
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

To the OP, the standard advice given by financial planners is to take care of your retirement needs first before saving for children's college.
Good luck!

That's what I've always been told as well.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

To the OP, the standard advice given by financial planners is to take care of your retirement needs first before saving for children's college.
Good luck!

That's what I've always been told as well.

yeah, but in the OP that is already taken care of.

My retirement is already done/taken care of. I'd like to know what is the best option to pay for college for unborn/young children.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: DaWhim
Roth IRA.

your daughter can loan her way through college.

good parents don't do that to their kids. seriously.

OP has the smarts to think about it now and make the right moves. time is on his side.
 

everman

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

To the OP, the standard advice given by financial planners is to take care of your retirement needs first before saving for children's college.
Good luck!

That's what I've always been told as well.

yeah, but in the OP that is already taken care of.

My retirement is already done/taken care of. I'd like to know what is the best option to pay for college for unborn/young children.

I don't know if he still qualifies for the Roth IRA (there are income limits) but if he does, he should contribute to that for retirement.
 

lykaon78

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Thanks for all the good advice.

Another option would be to max out my 401k first and take advantage of the pre-tax benefits and all the compound interest of 18 years. When the time comes to pay for college I can reduce my contribution to my 401k account, take loan against my 401k or some other low interest rate loan for education, and use the money from my reduced 401k contribution to pay-off that loan.

The pre-tax option may make the most sense assuming that my tax rate will likely be lower when I retire.

If not that route then the 529 might make the most sense.

BTW I'm 28 so I'll be roughly 46 when my daughter starts school and I'll won't retire unil she finishes (If I'm lucky).