512 Mb Video Card Thread

[jrphoenix]

I searched this form and found this previous thread on 512 Mb video cards: 512. It's interesting to read knowing what we do now about Doom3.

I was just curious if anyone has heard of any news on actual 512 Mb cards coming out anytime soon (read next 3 months). Rumors are welcome too. I spoke to EVGA about this a while back on the "step up" program and if there would be a 512 Mb model around October 20th that I could step up to. They would only say that I could step up to whatever was available at that time?

Thanks.

 

[SickBeast]

There is apparently a huge shortage of the GDDR3 memory used by most of these new graphics cards, so I would assume that once the supply problems go away they will come out with 512mb cards. I have not heard any rumours about 512mb cards yet, but you can expect both the X800XT and 6800U to support such a configuration.

 

[furie27]

They'll probably start trickling in with the fall/christmas rev's to the nv40 and r420 lines. At least on the high end.

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: furie27
They'll probably start trickling in with the fall/christmas rev's to the nv40 and r420 lines. At least on the high end.

I hope they come with my October 20th horizon :Q

 

[Acanthus]

Samsung and Micron are the only 2 suppliers that are producing GDDRIII in quantity now... and calling it quantity is generous.

When other mem manufacturers finally get GDDR3 moving, the demand will go down and allow more stable pricing and availability of the GDDR3 cards.

 

[jrphoenix]

It's sad to see memory holding up these cards. I am glad I ordered my GT while they were in stock! I can picture card manufacturers sitting there with a mound of GPU's and no memory to ship them with

 

[furie27]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix

Originally posted by: furie27
They'll probably start trickling in with the fall/christmas rev's to the nv40 and r420 lines. At least on the high end.

I hope they come with my October 20th horizon :Q

Me too, my brithday's the 27th

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix
It's sad to see memory holding up these cards. I am glad I ordered my GT while they were in stock! I can picture card manufacturers sitting there with a mound of GPU's and no memory to ship them with

I don't see why it's so difficult for ATi/nVidia to just stick a DDR2 memory controller on their cards and just go with that; it's probably only ~20% slower anyways.

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: jrphoenix
It's sad to see memory holding up these cards. I am glad I ordered my GT while they were in stock! I can picture card manufacturers sitting there with a mound of GPU's and no memory to ship them with

I don't see why it's so difficult for ATi/nVidia to just stick a DDR2 memory controller on their cards and just go with that; it's probably only ~20% slower anyways.

Its too different from their reference design. They probably think that people will think its slower due to it not being ddr3 (i mean look at the 5200's w/ 256mb for an example on how ppl think)

 

[nRollo]

I don't see why a smart company isn't doing a 400MHz core NU like Gainward, and putting 425/850MHz DDR1 on it like the old 5900NUs. That card would roxor boxorz and be snapped up fast by the hungry masses wanting nV40 Doom prowess and not wanting to grab their ankles trying to get a GT or Ultra.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't see why a smart company isn't doing a 400MHz core NU like Gainward, and putting 425/850MHz DDR1 on it like the old 5900NUs. That card would roxor boxorz and be snapped up fast by the hungry masses wanting nV40 Doom prowess and not wanting to grab their ankles trying to get a GT or Ultra.

Plus the cards would be cheaper. I'm sure they could put 512mb of DDR1 on a card for the same price as 256mb of GDDR3, plus the 512mb would probably perform faster at high resolutions in Doom3 w/ ultra settings.

 

[thelanx]

The name "non-ultra" may also suffer from the ignorance of the masses tho, maybe under a different name? 6800pro? Since ATI is coming out with a x800GT.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't see why a smart company isn't doing a 400MHz core NU like Gainward, and putting 425/850MHz DDR1 on it like the old 5900NUs. That card would roxor boxorz and be snapped up fast by the hungry masses wanting nV40 Doom prowess and not wanting to grab their ankles trying to get a GT or Ultra.

Plus the cards would be cheaper. I'm sure they could put 512mb of DDR1 on a card for the same price as 256mb of GDDR3, plus the 512mb would probably perform faster at high resolutions in Doom3 w/ ultra settings.

Not nessecarily since DDRI is much slower than DDRIII.

Guys I think we are overeacting over the 512mb gpus. Sure Carmack created huge textures that need a hell of mem bandwith to be uncompressed. He showed the future.But we have just started seen 256mb being utilized,what's the rush for 512mb? I'm sure that the difference even in D3 between Ultra and High will be unoticeable with the high end cards and the fast DDRIII mem.

 

[imported_Salvatore]

What are the physical differences between DDR1 and DDR3? Also, what kind of qualification must memory go through to become "the next DDR". I.E. what would we have to do to memory to get DDR4. Better yet, how does memory get the next number rating?

 

[Cerb]

(Obligatory)
512Mb video cards are old news. I think you mean 4096Mb.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Salvatore
What are the physical differences between DDR1 and DDR3? Also, what kind of qualification must memory go through to become "the next DDR". I.E. what would we have to do to memory to get DDR4. Better yet, how does memory get the next number rating?

It's a specification. A bunch of companies get together when they realize the current technology can't take the speeds they want for the next 3-5 years, and figure out what needs changing to get there.

(G)DDR...
(G)DDR2.
(G)DDR2 sucked for graphics cards.
So they hurried up with the GDDR3 spec and manufacturing.
Check Lost Circuits for a pretty good article or two on (G)DDR2 and GDDR3. GDDR3 was made just for video, where GDDR and GDDR2 were changes from the normal RAM of that kind, IIRC.

G for graphics. graphics cards don't have sticks that go into slots, and don't need the signal to go as far, so they can cut out some parts that main system RAM need, and tweak it a bit, getting to the very high speeds.
Your PC generally has no more than 8 chips per bank (16 per stick)...video cards generally have no more than 4 chips per channel. Big difference.

 

[Dman877]

I bet we see a 512mb FX5200 before anything else .

 

[furie27]

Anyone remember seeing a 512MB Voodoo 3 for sale on ebay a few years ago. Some @sswipe kid professed to welding his own ram to the card for the gains.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: furie27
Anyone remember seeing a 512MB Voodoo 3 for sale on ebay a few years ago. Some @sswipe kid professed to welding his own ram to the card for the gains.

there was a guy over at x3dfx that succesfully soldered 32mb chips onto a voodoo5 5500 back in the day (the cards stock had 4 16mb, which he removed). He then hacked the bios in order to enable use of the extra ram, it was able to do this since each VSA100 chip (the chip on the voodoo4/5) was designed to use up to 64mb per chip. so basically, he had a 128mb voodoo5 5500. (all other 5500s had 64mb)

 

[furie27]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: furie27
Anyone remember seeing a 512MB Voodoo 3 for sale on ebay a few years ago. Some @sswipe kid professed to welding his own ram to the card for the gains.

there was a guy over at x3dfx that succesfully soldered 32mb chips onto a voodoo5 5500 back in the day (the cards stock had 4 16mb, which he removed). He then hacked the bios in order to enable use of the extra ram, it was able to do this since each VSA100 chip (the chip on the voodoo4/5) was designed to use up to 64mb per chip. so basically, he had a 128mb voodoo5 5500. (all other 5500s had 64mb)

Wow, did it actually work?

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix
I searched this form and found this previous thread on 512 Mb video cards: 512. It's interesting to read knowing what we do now about Doom3.

I was just curious if anyone has heard of any news on actual 512 Mb cards coming out anytime soon (read next 3 months). Rumors are welcome too. I spoke to EVGA about this a while back on the "step up" program and if there would be a 512 Mb model around October 20th that I could step up to. They would only say that I could step up to whatever was available at that time?

Thanks.

i would like to see doom 3 on one of these prefessional openGL cards

The 16-lane PCI Express-based Wildcat Realizm 800 graphics accelerator doubles raw geometry and fill-rate performance over any single processor graphics solution. Wildcat Realizm 800 has a total of 512-bit bus to 512 MB GDDR3 graphics memory. Wildcat Realizm 800 also integrates 128 MB of onboard DirectBurst(TM) memory to transparently store commands and geometry data for boosting geometry-intensive applications for an amazing total of 640 MB of onboard memory, delivering over 64 GB/second of total graphics memory bandwidth. Wildcat Realizm 800 powers through the Viewperf 7.1.1 UGS-03 benchmark with an unprecedented and unmatched score of greater than 80 frames per second making it the ultimate ultra high-end professional graphics solution. Wildcat Realizm 800 also drives two, dual-link DVI-I connectors and a stereo connector.

all yours for just 3 grand

 

[slacker2k]

3dlabs has some nice cards.

Wildcat Realizm 800 = 640 MB GDDR3 PCI Express
Wildcat Realizm 200 = 512 MB GDDR3 AGP 8x

 

[PrayForDeath]

Originally posted by: Dman877
I bet we see a 512mb FX5200 before anything else .

Nah, a 400Mhz 512mb DDR1 memory GeForce 6200 is coming soon :evil:
It will play Doom III on Ultra High mode, a slide show of course

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: slacker2k
3dlabs has some nice cards.

Wildcat Realizm 800 = 640 MB GDDR3 PCI Express
Wildcat Realizm 200 = 512 MB GDDR3 AGP 8x

For some reason I doubt that they will run DIII well, since they're not tuned for gaming.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: slacker2k
3dlabs has some nice cards.

Wildcat Realizm 800 = 640 MB GDDR3 PCI Express
Wildcat Realizm 200 = 512 MB GDDR3 AGP 8x

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