512 7800 GTX in stock @ ZipZoomFly! $999.99!!

[Rock Hydra]

Horrible.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: phaxmohdem
I just bought two of em and was promptly castrated by my imaginary girl friend... :Q

Seriously, WTF Anyone who forks over $1000 for a graphics card is a douche bag. I don't care if it was my best friend, or my mom that bought them... They'd still be douche bags.

Some e-Penis's are growing tonight, watch your eye's fellas, somebodies likely to lose one pretty soon.

This is ridiculous, and makes no more sense than saying "Anyone who forks over $150 for a 70GB hard drive is a douchebag!"

(noticing you're a raptor owner)

The difference is the raptor will not turn into a WD 5000rpm laptop drive when a new drive comes out in a month that's 1.5x or more faster and shortly after a new app comes out that makes the raptor struggle. The rate at which video cards become obsolete is by far greater than for any other computer component.

 

[Ackmed]

Nor are Raptors sold out everywhere, except one vendor selling them well over their MSRP. Once again, a poor analogy from NV supporters.

 

[lifeguard1999]

Well, a $1000 video card is pretty cheap, IMO. I paid $100K for four "video cards" (SGI InfiniteReality 4) each with 1GB of memory on them. If you have the money and you have the need for such horsepower, go for it. And if the vendors can get away with charging you above MSRP, so much the better for them.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Nor are Raptors sold out everywhere, except one vendor selling them well over their MSRP. Once again, a poor analogy from NV supporters.

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Now that we got that out of the way, SO now let me see if this makes sense,

The Raptor which has a very low performance benefit, but a staggering cost Per GB compared to its competitors is fine, because its selling for the price WD suggested, but the best performing Vid card in everything hugely superior in about 50% of games is a bad choice because its selling for above Nvidias suggested price even if the ratio of performance increase is better then the Raptor. In fact with the Raptor you have a tradeoff of $s per gig for a slim performance increase. Your capped at roughly 25% of most other manufacturers max capacity as well. At least with the GTX512 everything is an increase, its no tradeoffs kind of Product.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Nor are Raptors sold out everywhere, except one vendor selling them well over their MSRP. Once again, a poor analogy from NV supporters.

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Now that we got that out of the way, SO now let me see if this makes sense,

The Raptor which has a very low performance benefit, but a staggering cost Per GB compared to its competitors is fine, because its selling for the price WD suggested, but the best performing Vid card in everything hugely superior in about 50% of games is a bad choice because its selling for above Nvidias suggested price even if the ratio of performance increase is better then the Raptor. In fact with the Raptor you have a tradeoff of $s per gig for a slim performance increase. Your capped at roughly 25% of most other manufacturers max capacity as well. At least with the GTX512 everything is an increase, its no tradeoffs kind of Product.

And what is the suggested price of the 256mb gtx? Something like $600, is it? A month ago we were busy comparing the msrp of the xt to the street price of the 256gtx, why all of a sudden go back to comparing msrp prices, especially since you cant get it for that price anywhere?

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Nor are Raptors sold out everywhere, except one vendor selling them well over their MSRP. Once again, a poor analogy from NV supporters.

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Now that we got that out of the way, SO now let me see if this makes sense,

The Raptor which has a very low performance benefit, but a staggering cost Per GB compared to its competitors is fine, because its selling for the price WD suggested, but the best performing Vid card in everything hugely superior in about 50% of games is a bad choice because its selling for above Nvidias suggested price even if the ratio of performance increase is better then the Raptor. In fact with the Raptor you have a tradeoff of $s per gig for a slim performance increase. Your capped at roughly 25% of most other manufacturers max capacity as well. At least with the GTX512 everything is an increase, its no tradeoffs kind of Product.

And what is the suggested price of the 256mb gtx? Something like $600, is it? A month ago we were busy comparing the msrp of the xt to the street price of the 256gtx, why all of a sudden go back to comparing msrp prices, especially since you cant get it for that price anywhere?

Hey don't talk to me about that. I did question whether ATI was going to make enough XTs and whether it would have a chance to go down. Everything I read yelled production problems. Then a week after it was annouced (way prior to the part being sold) ATI raised the MSRP. That again reinforced my fear that ATI wouldn't be able to produce enough of them to drive down costs. With Nvidia they had three releases that were available the day it came out and two of them (the GT and the 6800GS) sold immeadiately under MSRP, this lead me to think that maybe the same would follow with the GTX 512MB, it didn't but I am that, but thats just a blemish on their impeccable season they have had so far.

I still question the Idea of purchasing an XT when benchmarks had them split (though the differences on the XT wins were a lot greater then their losses) and it cost over a hundred more. Plus I have yet to see a retail XT s. a retail GTX review in which I am certain the OC versions of the GTX would cut the gap on the losses and increase the gaps on the winners. I know HIS and ASUS said they were going to do OC versions of the XT but I haven't seen those yet. Then you add on the Dual slot cooler and I question it even more since such simular performance yet one uses a single slot and the other uses a dual.

The GTX 512MB version even if its lead isn't as great in some as it is in others, is the best card out their right now by far, because no matter what you play its the fastest. For this the extra Price and the dual slot cooler are the sacrifices you have to make to get the un-questionable best Vid card. And while I am not one to spend $1000 on a video card the name calling for someone who is willing to pay top dollar for very best available is horrible.

I understand the bast meaning of what MSRP stands for, I also understand its usefullness in our society. To us it should be used as measuring stick like 3dmark and not used as the end all be all tool for price shopping. I was cautious and recommended everyone follow with the X1800XT (Wasn't completely right or wrong their, its price still hasn't gone down by much a month after it came out, but my fears of the price going up turned out to be unfounded) and was completely wrong about the 7800GTX 512MB. That I will admit.

 

[Steelski]

The GTX 512MB version even if its lead isn't as great in some as it is in others, is the best card out their right now by far, because no matter what you play its the fastest. For this the extra Price and the dual slot cooler are the sacrifices you have to make to get the un-questionable best Vid card.

I think it is questionable if it can not deliver the best Image quality at that price. It is faster but in most cases if you are playing at 1600x1200 then its not really persevable against the XT.

When you say the best then in my mind that is debatable.
when you say fastest then right you are.

by the way i wont respond for at least 20 hrs, i'm going to bed and then work.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Steelski

The GTX 512MB version even if its lead isn't as great in some as it is in others, is the best card out their right now by far, because no matter what you play its the fastest. For this the extra Price and the dual slot cooler are the sacrifices you have to make to get the un-questionable best Vid card.

I think it is questionable if it can not deliver the best Image quality at that price. It is faster but in most cases if you are playing at 1600x1200 then its not really persevable against the XT.

When you say the best then in my mind that is debatable.
when you say fastest then right you are.

by the way i wont respond for at least 20 hrs, i'm going to bed and then work.

Thats always the debate with the fastest, I already mentioned that with increase in price for greater performance is followed with diminshing returns. It costs more per FPS the higher the faster it goes. As for quality I see everything great on my GTX, everything is bueiful and has never looked better, So unless you can show in something utherthen an unprecievable frame then I am going to disagree. Along that same line, many experts haves stated that a human eye can precieve even a one FPS difference, and its not on the uppper end that makes the difference its on Minimum and thats where the GTX 512 or an SLI setup really take the competition to the wood shed. For the most part your right not many peopel are going to see a difference in upper limit of 100 FPS versus 115 FPs, but the will surely notice a drop to 40 compared to a drop to 60. This is where I find Xbit and Hardocp really useful.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Strange. I just got an email notification that ZZF had the eVGA 7800GTX 512mb in stock for only $699. By the time, I got home and saw the email, they were sold out. I'm surprised that they were only asking for that much.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Nor are Raptors sold out everywhere, except one vendor selling them well over their MSRP. Once again, a poor analogy from NV supporters.

The point was that everyone chooses what things are "worth" for them, and only a fool tries to say "It's not worth it".

We all come from different circumstances. I've been known to pay $10-$15 for single bottles of beer. Should the Bud Light crew be posting "Douchebag could buy twenty four cans of Bud for that!"?
A richer man might drink $50 bottles, should I post that he's a douchebag?

Etc.

Once again, simple logic of not being judgemental and supply/demand eludes ATI cheerleaders.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Well, a $1000 video card is pretty cheap, IMO. I paid $100K for four "video cards" (SGI InfiniteReality 4) each with 1GB of memory on them. If you have the money and you have the need for such horsepower, go for it. And if the vendors can get away with charging you above MSRP, so much the better for them.

QFT

Pretty tired of people whining about video cards being "too much". Cripes. If you want one and think they're too much, learn something that pays better, or learn to be happy with what you have.