50 years from now, will gun control look as ridiculous a concept (to all people) as this...

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The year is 1955. June 1st; 6:00pm to be exact. A remarkable, and highly publicized tragedy will throw the existence of motorsports into question.



<< At about 6:00 pm on June 1, 1955, the unthinkable occurred during the 39th running of the 24 Hours of LeMans road race. In the 34th lap, a Mercedes manned by Pierre Levegh, a wealthy, relatively inexperienced 'once a year racer', clipped the wheels of an Austin Healy driven by Lance Macklin. Levegh's car skidded into a protective barrier near the entrance to pit lane. The car ricocheted across the race course, catapulted over a six foot dirt wall, bounced over a picket fence and exploded in a clap of thunder as it landed where the crowd was thickest.

The car disintegrated. Flaming sections tumbled through the densely populated area. The rear end sailed skyward and landed in another group of spectators near an underpass. The front axle with parts of the chassis, scythed through the crowd. Screams of pain and terror arose as fragments of the car fell earthward. Smoke and flame spread over a wide area. It was easily the darkest hour in auto racing history.

&quot;82 Perish In Fiery (LeMans) Crash,&quot; read the headline in National Speed Sport News. The death toll would eventually rise to well over 100. Negative ramifications shot through the veins of auto racing world wide. In some nations, all forms of vehicle racing were banned. The very well-being of auto racing in the United States was threatened.
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Politicians were quick to take advantage of the emotions brewed in many people as the result of such a horrific accident.



<< Senator Richard Neuberger, a Democrat from Oregon, called for a ban of all auto racing in America in a speech before the United States Senate on July 12, 1955. In a plea to President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Neuberger said, &quot;Mr. President, I think the time has come to forbid automobile racing and similar carnage in the United States. I doubt if there is as much blood shed in Spanish bull rings as today is occurring on automobile race tracks in this country. Now even women racing drivers are getting killed in fiery and dreadful wrecks....

&quot;We allow children to visit race tracks where men and women are constantly in the peril of being maimed or killed. If automobile racing is necessary to perfect motor vehicles as proponents of racing ridiculously claim, then I suppose we next will hear that we must run stallions off cliffs to improve horse flesh. I believe the time has come for the United States to be a civilized nation and to stop carnage on racetracks (which) are purposely staged for the profit and for the delight of thousands of screeching spectators.&quot;

Although utterly senseless, Neuberger's speech made headlines. Headlines which had the racing fraternity shivering. Less than a month later, on August 3, 1955, Andrew J. Sordoni, president of the American Automobile Association, which had sanctioned Indy car racing for 54 years, delivered a verbal bombshell that brought a stunned racing world to its knees: &quot;Upon completion of the schedule of events already undertaken for the year 1955, the AAA will disassociate itself from all types of automobile racing in the United States.&quot;
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What followed was a gutting of the motorsport industry. Half of the Formula One Grand Prix that season were cancelled. Mercedes would pull out of F1 racing for 32 years. And many countries would follow through with the banning of motorsports - including Switzerland, where the ban is still in effect. The Pope even called for a banning of the sport.

On the heels of this tragedy were further high profile incidents - James Dean would die in a stupid accident &quot;racing&quot; his Porsche. Two time Indy 500 winner Bill Vukovich would also perish. Even more spectators would die in an incident at the Dundrot TT.

And of course, the political spin doctors involved in the pursuit to ban motorsports would use these tragedies to prove their assertions.

But, as we all know, what ended up happening is that motorsport got better. It got safer, it got bigger, the cars involved got faster and more technologically advanced, and most importantly - it lost its reputation which was thrust upon it in 1955 thanks to a freak accident.

Specifically, Mercedes' departure would leave Porsche to pick up the slack - we all know how this story ends. In 1957, NASCAR would take its first steps towards the big time by leasing the Daytona International Speedway. F1 will make massive technological advances thanks to a ruling change banning exotic fuels. And of course, countless other progressive events occur that push motorsport ahead - and eventually result in safer, more fuel efficient, more comfortable cars for you and I.

Does this scenario seem strikingly similar to what is occuring today with gun control? Even myself, many times critical of the gun lobby has to take a step back and wonder what sort of detrimental effects an all-out banning of motorsports would have if many of the world's governments followed through with their threats.
 

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I doubt it. If this trend in American society continues, it'll take the same path as drug control.
 

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<< I doubt it. If this trend in American society continues, it'll take the same path as drug control. >>


What do you mean? Only the criminals will have them?
 

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<< I doubt it. If this trend in American society continues, it'll take the same path as drug control. >>


What do you mean? Only the criminals will have them?
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yes, it'll be the scapegoat for the current societal problems and remain banned. A much better analogy imho would be prohibition vs drug control
 

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There is a vast difference between organized auto racing and firearms. The two aren't even remotely similar.

edit: Pretender is correct. The closest analogies would be prohibition and drug control.
 

kamiam

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<< I doubt it. If this trend in American society continues, it'll take the same path as drug control. >>

yeah... a
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GL

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My post wasn't to say that the motorsport ban is the best analogy to gun control, but rather to point out how something that today is considered safe and vastly beneficial can be demonized by the media. Furthermore, it shows how politicians quickly take advantage of the demonization while it's fresh on everybody's minds and attempt to push through legislation that would never have been passed in the absence of such high profile incidents.

Even myself, a supporter of some very moderate gun control initiatives, has to take a step back and realize the exact same process is unfolding, only with the gun industry.

And this begs the question - 50 years from now, will our attempts at banning firearms look as ridiculous as our previous attempts to ban motorsports 50 years ago?
 

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<< And of course, countless other progressive events occur that push motorsport ahead - and eventually result in safer, more fuel efficient, more comfortable cars for you and I. >>


i am to assume nascar isn't included in this, seeing as how their &quot;technology&quot; has hardly progressed past 1968.
 

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Does this scenario seem strikingly similar to what is occuring today with gun control? Even myself, many times critical of the gun lobby has to take a step back and wonder what sort of detrimental effects an all-out banning of motorsports would have if many of the world's governments followed through with their threats.

well my politically intuitive friend, you are seeing first hand what bannings are doing. Austarlia's home invasion/theft rates have increased since the banning.

People are not allowed to protect themselves from the bad guys. How is this right? Why should families be dependent on governmental police forces for protection? If a woman is being attacked in her own home, does she not have the right to protect herself in any way possible? Or must she wait for the police to come rescue her?


 

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Would you believe 20 years ago when I went highschool they actually had an area for students to smoke cigarretes? Nowadays i believe that is grounds for expulsion.Go figure?
 
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I love F1 and WRC, but I would have a hard time agreeing that motorsport is &quot;safe and vastly beneficial&quot;.

You may or may not be aware that Theodore Roosevelt nearly banned college football in 1906, after many players died - the rules were ultimately changed to make the game safer. I imagine gun-control advocates would say that all they are after is a similar outcome.
 

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i am to assume nascar isn't included in this, seeing as how their &quot;technology&quot; has hardly progressed past 1968.
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I disagree. Those cars are much more complex and sophisticated than they were 30 years ago.

I don't care if they ban guns, and a million other rednecks feel the same way. I will not leave myself unprotected. I'll just have to own illegal firearms. As is, I'm much happier registering my pistols with the local police department, and feeling safer in my not-so-lovely neighborhood. People need to educate thier children better, so this guns-at-school epidemic will stop. Things like TV and rap music are just as much at fault as anything else, yet it's the guns people want to ban. THis is America. It's built on an idea of freedom. That's becoming a joke, unfortunately.
Oh yeah, marijuana prohibition is pretty retarded as well. It's prohibited because of propaganda, not scientific evidence. Otherwise alcohol would be illegal as well.
 

Red Dawn

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Because of such tragedies Motor Sports instituted more effective safety measures to protect the spectator and the racers. Gun Bitches whine every time someone tries to make society safer from the insane propagation of man killers.. err hand guns. Obviously with so many guns in existence in modern day America outlawuing such weapons would be insane, but measures do need to be taken to make American citizens safe from the scourge, just like Motorsports instituted rules and regulations making drivers and spectators safer.

You don't see inexperienced Drivers being allowed to participate in these sports were there presence would pose a danger to other drivers and spectators, the same thing should hold true for Gun owners. Training in safety and responsibilty along with efforts to make sure the person who owns the weapon is psychologically sound should be instituted.
 

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<<Training in safety and responsibilty along with efforts to make sure the person who owns the weapon is psychologically sound should be instituted.>>

I agree with this completely. When I bought my Beretta; I walked in the police station and took a ten question test then they handed me my purchase permit, I drove a mile down the road and bought the handgun. Done took about 20 minutes. Of course I had already shopped around and knew where I was getting it.
 

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i can't say you don't make laws on the basis of hysteria (witness new york's recent cell phone ban) but guns need to be policed, tracked, licensed, and the owners trained or evaluated for fitness to own lethal firearms. gun manufacturers should be made more responsible for the
distribution of their product so as to prevent saturation of localities already suffering from
illegal gun violence. law enforcement officials need help from the producers, and failing that,
from government to enforce sanity. standardized safety courses for legal gun owners should also be required. even better, safety devices should be sold with every gun. and these yahoo gun conventions in floriduh, ole missisip', and other hot spots should be circumscribed by local governments.

my $0.00020 cents :D
 

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Guns don't kill people. Idiot race car drivers kill people.

Guns are banned in many countries throughout the world and in every one of those countries the crime rate is lower than ours, particularly the murder rate. Of course the concept of getting rid of guns = less crime is completely lost on the gun huggers.

Of course, removing all guns from America is not going to happen; I would be happy if we could find a way to keep them out of the hands of idiots.
 

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<< GL, you've taken your first step into a larger world. Very interesting post. >>

Wrong, he's taken his first step into a muddle minded way of thinking. A very narrow minded post.
 

GL

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LOL Red Dawn, perhaps:) I'm not here to debate the merits of gun control or lack thereof. But, when these high profile shootings die down - and they will, just like how people stopped getting rolled for their Reebok pumps - I think the push for gun control will also die down. As far as motorsports go, look at which manufacturers have successful racing programs then look at the quality and technological superiority of their cars.
 

GL

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You're right Red Dawn that motorsport took it upon themselves to ensure safety. In fact, they profited from doing so, turning what seemed to be a bad situation (having to incur the costs of ensuring safety), into a good situation (pass on these innovations to the consumer and charge them for it). It's a totally different ball game with guns, but you never know if the gun industry could turn some of these &quot;restrictive&quot; laws in their favour.
 

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I think the problem is more complicated than most really even begin to comprehend, a better question may be: 50 years from now, will knife control look as ridiclous as concept as this

A couple of links for your consideration:

Although Japan has strict gun laws and relatively low crime rates, the number of fatal stabbings has been on the rise. Here are some of the worst recent cases:

Even if they abolish knives, children will find other ways to escape pressure. The true voices of children need to be heard,&quot; warned Itoh.

TextJapanese and Americans differ on how to strike a balance between individual rights and the welfare of society. The Japanese say the United States often emphasizes individual rights at the expense of the welfare of society. Many Japanese see Aum as a dangerous force that threatens their nation.

I pay close attention to the news and didn't catch anything about these on the U.S. evening news. Our media providers wouldn't be avoiding the fact that if all guns are registered/banned that there will still be mass killings in our schools would they?

We'll be looking at banning rocks &amp; sharp sticks 50 years from now.

 

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Pliable....

I don't understand how stabbings in japan correlate to the epidemicaly high gun death rate here in the US. Thats like comparing an 18 wheeler to a skateboard... the difference is so great... both percentage and numberwise.

To simply state &quot;well you can kill people with other stuff&quot; is not a good argument against gun control. Just think of it this way, which would you rather face... a man with a knife or a man with a gun.

But all of this is really beside the point... the reality of this... we have guns in our society... there are benefits and there are defecits to having these guns. My objective is to simply eliminate as many defeceits as I can... without destroying the benefits. I don't think anyone here has seen me suggest destroying gun owners rights... but I think if Gun-huggers let go of their paranoia long enough to put their creative minds to work solving some of the defeceits of guns the world would benefit greatly. Lately, the gun-lobby rejects wholesale ANY suggestion regarding gun safety before even considering it.

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