50" Seiki 4K LED HDTV - $1099

[96Firebird]

It is through buydig's e-Bay store, but $200 cheaper than the last time it was posted here. Free shipping as well.

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Link to old thread with tons of info, including specs which shows only 30Hz for 3840x2160.


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[Mitch101]

Wow 4K already near 1K and for 50" of screen.

Still I have to wonder other than PC where would I get 4K content in the near future to enjoy it? Am I missing something or is 4K Blu-Ray media around the corner?

 

[wirednuts]

im more excited that 4k prices will drive 1080p sets down even more. i surely dont need 4k... i only have maybe one computer that could push that easily and of course there really isnt any content yet anyway

 

[Mitch101]

I read Projector Reviews and the site owner really believes in 4k video which has me excited to see why he got so excited over it. Rare to see that kind of reaction from him but this might not make a difference at 50" vs 110" of projection.

 

[smackababy]

I wish this had an input capable of 4k at greater than 30Hrz =( I guess once HDMI finally gets updated to support the bandwidth requirements it will happen, but I want it now.

 

[wirednuts]

I read Projector Reviews and the site owner really believes in 4k video which has me excited to see why he got so excited over it. Rare to see that kind of reaction from him but this might not make a difference at 50" vs 110" of projection.

i think itll make a huge difference for tv's 50"+... but we have 26" tv's with 1080p resolution and that is already higher then you can see at even just 5 feet away

 

[smackababy]

I read Projector Reviews and the site owner really believes in 4k video which has me excited to see why he got so excited over it. Rare to see that kind of reaction from him but this might not make a difference at 50" vs 110" of projection.

The PPI at 50" is greater than 110" on TVs. I am not sure about projectors if that does mean anything though. At 30" it would be amazing for a monitor.

 

[Mitch101]

Yea I think I misquoted what I was trying to say. I just want to see for myself what would make the projector review guy excited.

I want 4K video projection because I want to go to a 200" screen at my current viewing distance. Around 180" I meet THX specs for viewing angles. Not complaining about 110" but thats about the max you want to do with 1080P at my viewing distance. Lumens become and issue too with such a large projected image.

 

[KingFatty]

If you took an existing 30" 1600p monitor/PPI, and added the pixels to make it 4K, how many inches would that be?

Or I mean if you kept the same PPI as a 30" 1600p monitor, how many inches would the 4K display have to be? I get the gut feeling that 50 inches results in a bigger PPI than the current 1600p or 1440p displays, but I'm not sure?

 

[13Gigatons]

All we need now is the new Sony 4K player to come out with Display port or an upgraded HDMI connector.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/07/sony-announces-fmp-x1-4k-media-player-and-distribution-service/

 

[LucJoe]

If you took an existing 30" 1600p monitor/PPI, and added the pixels to make it 4K, how many inches would that be?

Or I mean if you kept the same PPI as a 30" 1600p monitor, how many inches would the 4K display have to be? I get the gut feeling that 50 inches results in a bigger PPI than the current 1600p or 1440p displays, but I'm not sure?

A 4K TV would be 16:9, while a 1600p monitor would be 16:10.

A 4K TV with the same pixel density as a 2560x1600 30" monitor would be just under 44".

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I read, it was either China or Japan.. :hmm: that have been on 4k.. they want to skip 8k and go to either 12 or 16k resolution.. read about this a while ago..

 

[chucky2]

Japan wants to skip "4K" I believe and just wanted to go 8K.

 

[BenJeremy]

Basically, these are great as a big freaking computer monitor. For that use, these look to be awesome.

Otherwise, not so much.

Unboxing and preview from PC Perspective

 

[wirednuts]

Basically, these are great as a big freaking computer monitor. For that use, these look to be awesome.

Otherwise, not so much.

Unboxing and preview from PC Perspective

most people i know think 720p content on my 42" looks "amazing" so i agree that it might be awhile before people consider ultra hd...

 

[Childs]

Japan wants to skip "4K" I believe and just wanted to go 8K.

NHK was demoing 8K at NAB like 7 years ago. They were calling it UltraHD at the time.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I don't get it what would you possibly be able to watch at 4k?

 

[yh125d]

If I played games at 1080p to keep 60hz, but ran at 4k for normal computer use, would the 30hz be noticable?

 

[SKORPI0]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34877165&postcount=29

 

[chucky2]

NHK was demoing 8K at NAB like 7 years ago. They were calling it UltraHD at the time.

Yep, that's what I'm talking about.

 

[Kaido]

most people i know think 720p content on my 42" looks "amazing" so i agree that it might be awhile before people consider ultra hd...

Yeah, what was that study that showed the majority of Americans with HDTV sets are still watching SDTV content? People just like big, flat screens.

 

[ImpulsE69]

They like BIG screens, that's what it's about. I still watch mostly standard def stuff on my 70" because at 12' away for normal things, it really doesn't make that much difference.

 

[KingFatty]

I dunno, when I'm around 9 feet away from my 46" flatscreen, I can DEFINITELY tell the difference between watching a DVD and Bluray.

The 1080p TV does a good job of presenting the DVD, but it's just missing the crispness of the bluray. I remember there is particular detail when watching Blu-rays that show scenic views of a cityscape or other sweeping vista where it's more like looking through a window into the movie, unlike a DVD where it's more like a fuzzy image. I guess it's more impact when you sit closer up? I'm willing to pay more for 1080p blu-ray content, but only for movies where it makes sense. If the movie is a comedy and you just stare at close-ups of people talking to each other, then the Blu-ray is still nice but I don't mind DVD for that.

 

[BenJeremy]

I dunno, when I'm around 9 feet away from my 46" flatscreen, I can DEFINITELY tell the difference between watching a DVD and Bluray.

The 1080p TV does a good job of presenting the DVD, but it's just missing the crispness of the bluray. I remember there is particular detail when watching Blu-rays that show scenic views of a cityscape or other sweeping vista where it's more like looking through a window into the movie, unlike a DVD where it's more like a fuzzy image. I guess it's more impact when you sit closer up? I'm willing to pay more for 1080p blu-ray content, but only for movies where it makes sense. If the movie is a comedy and you just stare at close-ups of people talking to each other, then the Blu-ray is still nice but I don't mind DVD for that.

Yeah, it's easy to tell the difference between 480p and 1080p.

720p and 1080p, not so much.

A great test is to play a 720p video, and have somebody walk into the room... and ask them if it's 1080p video. They honestly won't be able to tall.

Maybe at a 100" screen, viewed 5 feet away, you can tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, but only when there is severe diagonals and contrast involved, and the TV doesn't do any interpolation.

...and the charts showing supposed visual differences at various distances and screen sizes are mostly bullcrap. They might matter in a heavily detailed, high contrast, STILL image, but not with motion, and properly aliased images.

The jump from 480p is obvious, but beyond 720p, not so much when it comes to video. A vast majority of movies are not Samsara, where 1080p stands out because of the rich, detailed shots, mostly fixed or slow moving (and where you are not engaged with a story, fixated on the characters or action).

As a computer monitor, these 4K displays would be great... but I wouldn't play games on them at 4k. Of course, there would be benefits from the TV's interpolated anti-aliasing when playing a game at 1080p resolution, any way. My main desire would be for the screen real estate on the desktop. I already use 2 1080p monitors for development, but it's the vertical resolution that I could really use here.

 

[BenJeremy]

If I played games at 1080p to keep 60hz, but ran at 4k for normal computer use, would the 30hz be noticable?

It shouldn't.

LCD is not the same as CRTs, where the refresh mattered because the phosphors would literally dim between refreshes. There, the high refresh was required to prevent eye fatigue.

With LCD technology, the pixels are "always on". Internally, they are refreshed 120 times a second anyway, but the buffer that updates those pixels is updated at whatever rate the input hardware can handle (@ 4K, that's 30hz)

Eye fatigue is simply not an issue with LCD. Same goes for plasma, which is also "decoupled" from the source input... plasmas refresh at 600hz.