5 nuke carriers docked at the same time (pic)

[Artorias]

That's a very awesome site to see, I would still like to see the nuclear submarines docked though.

 

[tynopik]

target rich environment

The Navy doesn't consider having all five in port at the same time to be a security risk

sure, right until they have an oopsie

 

[smackababy]

target rich environment



sure, right until they have an oopsie

And, the only threat is someone accidentally hitting one with a hammer. No country could strike quick enough to even hit one, if the missile was effectively launched and made it to our shores.



The only thing I dislike about that picture is that it doesn't show the massive scale that is any of those ships.

 

[MongGrel]

The cars, buildings and what looks to be a tugboat out there do a bit.

 

[MongGrel]

That's a very awesome site to see, I would still like to see the nuclear submarines docked though.

I'd imagine something like that with those would be really rare, ya.

 

[Llwellyn]

target rich environment



sure, right until they have an oopsie

When a CVN is in port, it's CAG is usually still on patrol in various fashion. Are you thinking anyone is going to try to start something with 5 full air groups worth of ships blockading Norfolk like an old fashioned picket?

If you're worried about non-traditional threats, the likelihood is small enough. They calculated the risk and determined it was necessary and acceptable in this circumstance. They are much more vulnerable leaving port or arriving at one than sitting in it (as is any ship).

We don't exactly have a lot of options for trying to dock one of these at a time, let alone five. There are only a few ports per country (including ours) where they can even port in directly; besides Norfolk and the shipbreaking facilities in Washington state where the Enterprise is being decommissioned, I can only think of a couple others.

And yes, it's a shame that picture doesn't really give you the sense of scale it really could. These things are engineering wonders beyond almost anything else we have fashioned. I wish I could set foot on one of the newer ones like the Enterprise, and then get to set foot on the brand new ones once they are commissioned. The differences are significant.

I've only ever been on the Intrepid since she's been converted to the museum. That's what we USED to be able to do. I wanna see what we've done now. The newer carriers can carry an Intrepid on their flight deck alone, roughly, IIRC.

 

[McLovin]

When a CVN is in port, it's CAG is usually still on patrol in various fashion. Are you thinking anyone is going to try to start something with 5 full air groups worth of ships blockading Norfolk like an old fashioned picket?

If you're worried about non-traditional threats, the likelihood is small enough. They calculated the risk and determined it was necessary and acceptable in this circumstance. They are much more vulnerable leaving port or arriving at one than sitting in it (as is any ship).

We don't exactly have a lot of options for trying to dock one of these at a time, let alone five. There are only a few ports per country (including ours) where they can even port in directly; besides Norfolk and the shipbreaking facilities in Washington state where the Enterprise is being decommissioned, I can only think of a couple others.

And yes, it's a shame that picture doesn't really give you the sense of scale it really could. These things are engineering wonders beyond almost anything else we have fashioned. I wish I could set foot on one of the newer ones like the Enterprise, and then get to set foot on the brand new ones once they are commissioned. The differences are significant.

I've only ever been on the Intrepid since she's been converted to the museum. That's what we USED to be able to do. I wanna see what we've done now. The newer carriers can carry an Intrepid on their flight deck alone, roughly, IIRC.

I walke don the deck of the USS Midway last November and remember looking across the bay and seeing the USS Ronald Reagan and one other CVN and thinking "Man those boats must be almost double the size of this".

General characteristics
Displacement: 45,000 tons
Length: 968 ft (295 m)
Beam: 113 ft (34 m)
Draft: 33 ft (10 m)
Propulsion: Steam turbines
212,000 shp
Speed: 33 knots (61 km/h)
Complement: 4,104
Armament:

Original armament:

18 × 5 in/54 caliber guns
21 × quad 40 mm Bofors gun
28 × 20 mm Oerlikon cannon

Refit armament:

2 × 8-cell Sea Sparrow launchers
2 × Mark 71 mod 0 Phalanx CIWS

Armor: Belt: 7.6 inch
Deck: 3.5 inch
Aircraft carried: Up to 130 (World War II), 45–55 (1980s)

General characteristics
Class & type: Nimitz-class aircraft carrier
Ronald Reagan subclass
Displacement: 101,400 long tons (113,600 short tons)[1]
Length: Overall: 1,092 feet (332.8 m)
Waterline: 1,040 feet (317.0 m)
Beam: Overall: 252 ft (76.8 m)
Waterline: 134 ft (40.8 m)
Draft: Maximum navigational: 37 ft (11.3 m)
Limit: 41 ft (12.5 m)
Propulsion: 2 × Westinghouse A4W nuclear reactors
4 × steam turbines
4 × shafts
260,000 shp (194 MW)
Speed: 30+ knots (56+ km/h; 35+ mph)
Range: Unlimited distance; 20-25 years
Complement: Ship's company: 3,200
Air wing: 2,480
Sensors and
processing systems: SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49A(V)1 2-D air search radar
SPQ-9B fire control radar
2 × SPN-46 air traffic control radars
SPN-43C air traffic control radar
SPN-41 instrument landing system radar
3 × Mk 91 NSSM guidance systems
3 × Mk 95 radars
Electronic warfare
& decoys: SLQ-32A(V)4 Countermeasures suite
SLQ-25A Nixie torpedo countermeasures
Armament: Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile
Rolling Airframe Missile
Close-in weapons system (CIWS)
Armor: Classified
Aircraft carried: 90 fixed wing and helicopters

So not much longer, but at least twice and double the displacement.

Although crazy to think USS Ronald Reagan only has 3,200 people onboard vs a little over 4k on the Midway.

 

[Angry Irishman]

A few years ago I was deploying through Norfolk and all the carriers and other war ships were lit up with Christmas lights....was very cool.

 

[MongGrel]

When a CVN is in port, it's CAG is usually still on patrol in various fashion. Are you thinking anyone is going to try to start something with 5 full air groups worth of ships blockading Norfolk like an old fashioned picket?

If you're worried about non-traditional threats, the likelihood is small enough. They calculated the risk and determined it was necessary and acceptable in this circumstance. They are much more vulnerable leaving port or arriving at one than sitting in it (as is any ship).

We don't exactly have a lot of options for trying to dock one of these at a time, let alone five. There are only a few ports per country (including ours) where they can even port in directly; besides Norfolk and the shipbreaking facilities in Washington state where the Enterprise is being decommissioned, I can only think of a couple others.

And yes, it's a shame that picture doesn't really give you the sense of scale it really could. These things are engineering wonders beyond almost anything else we have fashioned. I wish I could set foot on one of the newer ones like the Enterprise, and then get to set foot on the brand new ones once they are commissioned. The differences are significant.

I've only ever been on the Intrepid since she's been converted to the museum. That's what we USED to be able to do. I wanna see what we've done now. The newer carriers can carry an Intrepid on their flight deck alone, roughly, IIRC.

I've been out of the military a long time I thought Colts Neck used to be a sub base, but I didn't find much about it on searching.

That or very near one.

Yeah, those things are usually always on rotation.

 

[Dari]

USS William Jefferson Clinton. circa 2050

 

[lupi]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/carriers.asp :whiste:

damn, 18 months ago....who could have called that.

 

[lupi]

We don't exactly have a lot of options for trying to dock one of these at a time, let alone five. There are only a few ports per country (including ours) where they can even port in directly; besides Norfolk and the shipbreaking facilities in Washington state where the Enterprise is being decommissioned, I can only think of a couple others.

Enterprise isn't in washington.

 

[lupi]

I walke don the deck of the USS Midway last November and remember looking across the bay and seeing the USS Ronald Reagan and one other CVN and thinking "Man those boats must be almost double the size of this".





So not much longer, but at least twice and double the displacement.

Although crazy to think USS Ronald Reagan only has 3,200 people onboard vs a little over 4k on the Midway.

I've got a picture of the bush passing the wisconsin, scary at the size difference.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Not sure how ONE of those would fit into a suitcase,.. let alone five,..

:hmm:

 

[Llwellyn]

Enterprise isn't in washington.

I was pretty sure that she was going to either Brush Creek or Kings Bay to have the reactors decommissioned, then the rest of her will be broken in Washington state at a facility where they have been refitting it to handle the job.

I thought the reactor work was finished and she had been towed into the Pacific already.

I am not able to do any searching at the moment, so if I am wrong feel free to correct me. Otherwise, I will try to post something later that confirms the timetable and locations.

 

[Mai72]

I fear. 🙁

 

[velillen]

I was pretty sure that she was going to either Brush Creek or Kings Bay to have the reactors decommissioned, then the rest of her will be broken in Washington state at a facility where they have been refitting it to handle the job.

I thought the reactor work was finished and she had been towed into the Pacific already.

I am not able to do any searching at the moment, so if I am wrong feel free to correct me. Otherwise, I will try to post something later that confirms the timetable and locations.

It will be decommissioned and defueled back east (most likely new port news where they generally do refueling). I know its currently being decomissioned but not sure how long that will go on for. The Kitty Hawk took a year but that was a different animal since it was prepping to just sit

From there its going somewhere (cant remember exactly) to have some work done to it. Ive heard everything from the bow will be cut down and rewelded and everything from the hanger deck up removed. Or just the island. Or lots of other stuff. Basically nothing below the hanger bay will be touched outside of WA state.

PSNS is the ONLY shipyard allowed to recycle nuclear vessels. Hence why they have cut up 240+ subs, destroyers, and cruisers. So PSNS will handle everything related to the reactors, propulsion plants and, well, everything below the hanger decks.

PSNS isnt getting the 65 till 2017 last i heard (keeps being pushed out). From there ive heard they plan on it taking 10 years to cut up all the way. Reactor work will be going on till the very end

We don't exactly have a lot of options for trying to dock one of these at a time, let alone five. There are only a few ports per country (including ours) where they can even port in directly; besides Norfolk and the shipbreaking facilities in Washington state where the Enterprise is being decommissioned, I can only think of a couple others.
.

if WA (ie PSNS) is the ship breaking facilities how come we keep having to send our teams out to do the high risk jobs for every other yard? Oo

Or remember when Norfolk had North Island? Yeah that lasted 9 months before they got told to leave and PSNS would take it back.

 

[AMCRambler]

Can you imagine what the bars in Norfolk were like with that many sailors on liberty? Holy crap. MP's must have been busy.

 

[Gibsons]

NORFOLK, VA. (February 8, 2013). This is the first time since WWII that five [5] nuclear powered aircraft carriers were docked together:

Yeah, we kept, 5 even 6 nuclear carriers docked together in WWII.

It's in the sequel to Final Countdown.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Impressive.
But also stupid?

Remember Battleship Row @Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941?

all 5 could be destroyed and we'd still have more carriers than the rest of the world combined

 

[lupi]

all 5 could be destroyed and we'd still have more carriers than the rest of the world combined

and difference between all of the rest of the world and us, they are either land connected or separated by relatively short amounts of water.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I toured the Dwight D. Eisenhower. It was very cool.

 

[MtnMan]

USS Enterprise was decommissioned 1 Dec 2012

 

[Dari]

all 5 could be destroyed and we'd still have more carriers than the rest of the world combined

Amazing that Russia only has one...

 

[alkemyst]

It's probably a taunt.