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Zargon

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Well you might want to go back to school and have your analyzer checked because...

A) Gun sales went up when Obama was elected the first time, despite no promises or actions to ban/limit guns by Obama.

B) Obama didn't do squat except allow for guns in state parks in his first term when guns sales were still going up.

C) Obama still hasn't done anything to limit anyone regarding guns and guns sales still continue to rise.

So it's not Obama that's causing gun sales to go up. So then what is it you ask?


Propaganda and you ate that shit up!

I'm not going to lay all the blame on the NRA but the one thing besides gun sales that have increased since Obama was first elected was the amount of propaganda that Obama would take away your guns.

So no, Obama isn't to blame, good ole fashioned propaganda is.

The NRA and the gun manufactures would like to thank you sheep;)


a) guns sales go up after every democratic pres election don't they?

b) that was a bush era deal that he decided to not pursue overturning. thank god. I enjoy hiking and nothing says creepy like coming across a fairly fresh kill in bear/mountain lion country. I'd rather be packing.

c) did you miss his press conference on banning some firearms? who was the last president to place large restictions on guns? Clinton was

I'm not going to argue that the NRA rattles the saber on this stuff to drum up support, but what they are preaching isnt exactly innaccurate
 
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a) guns sales go up after every democratic pres election don't they?

b) that was a bush era deal that he decided to not pursue overturning. thank god. I enjoy hiking and nothing says creepy like coming across a fairly fresh kill in bear/mountain lion country. I'd rather be packing.

c) did you miss his press conference on banning some firearms? who was the last president to place large restictions on guns? Clinton was

I'm not going to argue that the NRA rattles the saber on this stuff to drum up support, but what they are preaching isnt exactly innaccurate

That press conference was in the last 30 days, the NRA "Obama's gonna git yer guns" started before he was elected and continued through his first term. Remember the classic NRA "Obama is doing nothing at all about guns so he can take your guns" line?
 

Nebor

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It's crazy the price gouging going on right now.

I have over a hundred windowed p-mags that I've been selling in lots of 5 on gunbroker for between $420 and $520 + shipping. I paid $15 (no tax) each for them. :biggrin: Some of the people I've dealt with seem to be in a state of extreme panic\distress\fear. Calling me constantly, asking me to ship them immediately because the government will come and take them from me, etc.
 

spidey07

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That press conference was in the last 30 days, the NRA "Obama's gonna git yer guns" started before he was elected and continued through his first term. Remember the classic NRA "Obama is doing nothing at all about guns so he can take your guns" line?

Ummm, he had to wait until after the election to go after the guns. Plus there was this historic election of 2010.

And what did he do? WHAT DID HE DO less than two months after the election? That's right, he said he was going after assault rifles and magazines. He did exactly what everybody said he would do.

Obama's history of thinking people should only own firearms he agrees with is long documented.
 

Atreus21

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Thomas Sowell on Gun Control.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/338261/do-gun-control-laws-control-guns-thomas-sowell

The gun-control controversy is only the latest of many issues to be debated almost solely in terms of fixed preconceptions, with little or no examination of hard facts.

Media discussions of gun control are dominated by two factors: the National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment. But the overriding factual question is whether gun-control laws actually reduce gun crimes in general or murder rates in particular.

If, as gun-control advocates claim, gun-control laws really do control guns and save lives, there is nothing to prevent repealing the Second Amendment any more than there was anything to prevent repealing the Eighteenth Amendment that created Prohibition.


But, if the hard facts show that gun-control laws do not actually control guns, but instead lead to more armed robberies and higher murder rates after law-abiding citizens are disarmed, then gun-control laws would be a bad idea, even if there were no Second Amendment and no National Rifle Association.

The central issue boils down to the question: What are the facts? Yet there are many zealots who seem utterly unconcerned about facts or about their own lack of knowledge of facts.

There are people who have never fired a shot in their life who do not hesitate to declare how many bullets should be the limit to put into a firearm’s clip or magazine. Some say ten bullets, but New York State’s recent gun-control law specifies seven.

Virtually all gun-control advocates say that 30 bullets in a magazine is far too many for self-defense or hunting — even if they have never gone hunting and never had to defend themselves with a gun. This uninformed and self-righteous dogmatism is what makes the gun-control debate so futile and so polarizing.

Anyone who faces three home invaders, jeopardizing himself or his family, might find 30 bullets barely adequate. After all, not every bullet hits, even at close range, and not every hit incapacitates. You can get killed by a wounded man.

These plain life-and-death realities have been ignored for years by people who go ballistic when they hear about how many shots were fired by the police in some encounter with a criminal. As someone who once taught pistol shooting in the Marine Corps, I am not the least bit surprised by the number of shots fired. I have seen people miss a stationary target at close range, even in the safety and calm of a pistol range.

We cannot expect everybody to know that. But we can expect them to know that they don’t know — and to stop spouting off about life-and-death issues when they don’t have the facts.

The central question as to whether gun-control laws save lives or cost lives has generated many factual studies over the years. But these studies have been like the proverbial tree that falls in an empty forest, and have been heard by no one — certainly not by zealots who have made up their minds and don’t want to be confused by the facts.

Most factual studies show no reduction in gun crimes, including murder, under gun-control laws. A significant number of studies show higher rates of murder and other gun crimes under gun-control laws.

How can this be? It seems obvious to some gun-control zealots that, if no one had guns, there would be fewer armed robberies and fewer people shot to death.

But nothing is easier than to disarm peaceful, law-abiding people. And nothing is harder than to disarm people who are neither — especially in a country with hundreds of millions of guns already out there that are not going to rust away for centuries.

When it was legal to buy a shotgun in London in the middle of the 20th century, there were very few armed robberies there. But, after British gun-control zealots managed over the years to disarm virtually the entire law-abiding population, armed robberies became literally a hundred times more common. And murder rates rose.

One can cherry-pick the factual studies, or cite some studies that have subsequently been discredited, but the great bulk of the studies show that gun-control laws do not in fact control guns. On net balance, they do not save lives but cost lives.

Gun-control laws allow some people to vent their emotions, politicians to grandstand, and self-righteous people to “make a statement” — but all at the cost of other people’s lives.
 
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Ummm, he had to wait until after the election to go after the guns. Plus there was this historic election of 2010.

And what did he do? WHAT DID HE DO less than two months after the election? That's right, he said he was going after assault rifles and magazines. He did exactly what everybody said he would do.

Obama's history of thinking people should only own firearms he agrees with is long documented.

All of the extreme right wingers claimed obama would wait until 2nd term to do what he "really" wanted to do, and thus far they were absolutely correct.

It's disgusting to me that so many treat this clown as a martyr.
 

Zargon

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That press conference was in the last 30 days, the NRA "Obama's gonna git yer guns" started before he was elected and continued through his first term. Remember the classic NRA "Obama is doing nothing at all about guns so he can take your guns" line?



again.....I pretty much said that it happens EVERYTIME a democrat is elected


pretty sure that statement covers what you just said


and it must suck for you guys to all be proved blatantly wrong as here he comes after every gun he can get his hands on :whiste:
 

Zargon

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man the prices just burn me right now

I had a FFL friend in town offer me his last 2 bushmasters w/red dots for 900 a pop(right after sandy hook, he knew I had been wanting one)

'only marked up a 100' as a friend price

my wife insisted it was a horrid idea

he sold them 3 days later for 1500 a piece

he got 2 more in the next week and sold them on gunbroker for 2400

I coulda/shoulda/woulda had a free AR
 

micrometers

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man the prices just burn me right now

I had a FFL friend in town offer me his last 2 bushmasters w/red dots for 900 a pop(right after sandy hook, he knew I had been wanting one)

'only marked up a 100' as a friend price

my wife insisted it was a horrid idea

he sold them 3 days later for 1500 a piece

he got 2 more in the next week and sold them on gunbroker for 2400

I coulda/shoulda/woulda had a free AR

ITT: Tim McVeigh's kind of folk.
 

Tom

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It is sad to watch liberals who proclaim themselves to be the protectors of fact based policy stumble over themselves ignoring the facts on gun control.

The article cites no studies and makes generalizations like "most studies".

So how is it fact based ?
 

Zargon

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The article cites no studies and makes generalizations like "most studies".

So how is it fact based ?

one of the heaviest regulated gun control 'markets' in the US set a record for # of homicides.

and thats with them shipping lots of troublemakers downstate to help clean up their #'s


this would be chicago btw, look it up.
 

Phokus

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one of the heaviest regulated gun control 'markets' in the US set a record for # of homicides.

and thats with them shipping lots of troublemakers downstate to help clean up their #'s


this would be chicago btw, look it up.

What about New York City, all crime has been going down and they have some of the heaviest restrictions.
 

Tom

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one of the heaviest regulated gun control 'markets' in the US set a record for # of homicides.

and thats with them shipping lots of troublemakers downstate to help clean up their #'s


this would be chicago btw, look it up.

Not responsive to my post. The article and the person who posted it argue that advocates of gun control don't base their opinions on facts then claims to post facts but with no way to verify the veracity of his claims.

As far as Chicago, New York, DC, yes there'e horrible crime there and there's also gun control to some degree.

But unless you can establish a relationship between the crime and the gun control in those locales, your point isn't fact based, its just an opinion that less gun control would affect crime in those specific locales.

Its ok to have an opinion like that but it isn't any different than a person who wants gun control based on an opinion.
 

shadow9d9

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I wonder if the media will report how many murders, rapes, and shootings are committed by blacks on MLK Day?

Do you want to compare guns shows to a left wing movement?
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That is wonderful.. except.. it isn't a "left wing" movement. There is no left wing presence in this country outside of Vermont and their one socialist senator. The Democrats are middle/right, so at best you could try to paint the whole movement as a democrat middle/rigth movement.
 

Nebor

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Basically every study conducted by impartial types has concluded that there's no significant correlation between gun control and crime in either direction. Which validates what I feel is the most reasonable argument in the debate: We don't have a gun problem in America, we have a violence problem.
 

shadow9d9

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Ad hominem, you lose. Do you have any idea how ironic your post is? I guess not.

To be fair to blade, he is being told what to think by people who use these poor comparisons because it easily fools the common man who won't think for himself.
 

Zargon

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shadow9d9

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You serious?


As a relatively new P&Ner, it is blatantly obvious that this place is all but overrun by the extreme far left.

There are a couple of vocal raging righties, but no kidding they are far outweighed by the number of extremist lefties.

AHAHAHA! Dude, there isn't even a left IN the US! Our democrats are to the right of conservatives from every other first world country! We have one socialist senator.. and the rest are the democrats, which run from the middle/right normal democrats to the hick state right democrats.
 

shadow9d9

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All of the extreme right wingers claimed obama would wait until 2nd term to do what he "really" wanted to do, and thus far they were absolutely correct.

It's disgusting to me that so many treat this clown as a martyr.

He magically has the ability to skip over congress? Please educate us of this magnificent feat!
 

Zargon

Lifer
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Not responsive to my post. The article and the person who posted it argue that advocates of gun control don't base their opinions on facts then claims to post facts but with no way to verify the veracity of his claims.

As far as Chicago, New York, DC, yes there'e horrible crime there and there's also gun control to some degree.

But unless you can establish a relationship between the crime and the gun control in those locales, your point isn't fact based, its just an opinion that less gun control would affect crime in those specific locales.

Its ok to have an opinion like that but it isn't any different than a person who wants gun control based on an opinion.

I've done TONS of leg work on this before, and posted some of it here in the past....

but overall, after states allowed concealed carry, in general, their violent crime rates have gone down

Florida is a shining example of such actually, the FIB has this all set up for you browse


but yes my post wasnt really meant to refute what you said, its sad that guy didnt seem to want to CITE anything :(

but here is a citation for you that concluded that concealed carry did lead to lower VC rates
https://digital.library.txstate.edu/bitstream/handle/10877/3461/fulltext.pdf

I just randomly ran into it on google