$5 Gas around the corner...

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JTsyo

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It's already near $4 ($3.88 here) and historically gas always goes up toward summer. I call it a no brainier.

Now the question is WTF to buy that will get 100MPG?

The next gen Fusion hybrid plug-in is supposed to be 100 mpg. that's assuming you're not doing mainly highway driving. When it actually comes out it'll probably be like 70mpg.
Higher gas prices might be a good thing for long term energy strategy. Just sucks getting there.
 

fatpat268

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Higher gas prices might be a good thing for long term energy strategy. Just sucks getting there.

Definitely. Definitely some growing pains, that's for sure. You can just see it in the used car market.

When the gas prices skyrocketed after 2001, used trucks became cheap because no one wanted them. Then when fuel prices dropped for a while a few years ago, people started buying them again. And guess what, trucks are cheap again, while fuel efficient used cars fetch a much higher price than they should.
 

Analog

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Definitely. Definitely some growing pains, that's for sure. You can just see it in the used car market.

When the gas prices skyrocketed after 2001, used trucks became cheap because no one wanted them. Then when fuel prices dropped for a while a few years ago, people started buying them again. And guess what, trucks are cheap again, while fuel efficient used cars fetch a much higher price than they should.


hmmm. Truck sales seem strong right now.
 
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Unless the price of diesel comes down, and the price of diesel engines, 60mpg would probably only be around the break-even point with the best gasoline powered cars.

Really? Diesel is about 10-15 cents more expensive than premium where I live.
 
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Since I drive a car that gets 35-40 mpg, it doesn't bother me as much as it used to. This is with a 55 mile round trip commute 4 days a week. Costs me about $35 bucks a week in gas.

Are you too short sided to realize that gas prices effect the prices of more than just the gas in your tank?
 

shortylickens

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Really? Diesel is about 10-15 cents more expensive than premium where I live.

Yeah in the exact same vehicle diesel usually gets about double the mileage. The problem is we have so few diesels here in America most folks cant make the comparison. My uncle lived on a farm and used diesel sedans and Suburbans so he wouldnt have to fill up all the time.

(Also he used his tractor diesel which is illegal but he died so who the hell cares?)
 

fatpat268

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Are you too short sided to realize that gas prices effect the prices of more than just the gas in your tank?

No, I'm not stupid. Prices for most stuff is unlikely to change more than it already has. Food in general is already on an uphill climb in price for the past couple of years, and isn't going to drastically change. I know it costs money to ship stuff, I'm not short sighted.

Yeah in the exact same vehicle diesel usually gets about double the mileage. The problem is we have so few diesels here in America most folks cant make the comparison. My uncle lived on a farm and used diesel sedans and Suburbans so he wouldnt have to fill up all the time.

(Also he used his tractor diesel which is illegal but he died so who the hell cares?)

Double the gas mileage, I don't think so. Especially considering diesel only has about ~10% more energy content per gallon of fuel.

Also, don't be fooled by Brits quoting gas mileages. When they throw out figures in miles per gallon, they're actually using a bigger gallon.
 
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QueBert

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nobody should be surprised. This is what you voted for. And it's only the beginning.

You do realize Gas prices with Bush Jr were worse right? What I'm paying for gas right now echos what I remember paying for gas for a good portion of Bush's 2nd rain. And a lot of the past 3 years beat the hell out of Bush's 2nd term for gas prices. And please don't compare the prices now with Bush's 1st term. Barack took office when Gas was stupidly expensive. When Bush took office I was paying low $2's for gas. When he left I was paying mid $4's and as high as mid $5's. BUSH EATS PENIS SANDWICHES. Hell I don't remember the last time gas was as low for me as the last 2 years, minus the last 4 months of course. Gas prices were the worst I ever remember them with Bush. Again he can eat a sandwich made out of penises. So until gas goes up over a buck more here, and stays at that level for 6 solid months. I gotta say Barack >>>> Bush Jr.
 
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dmcowen674

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You do realize Gas prices with Bush Jr were worse right? What I'm paying for gas right now echos what I remember paying for gas for a good portion of Bush's 2nd rain. And a lot of the past 3 years beat the hell out of Bush's 2nd term for gas prices. And please don't compare the prices now with Bush's 1st term. Barack took office when Gas was stupidly expensive. When Bush took office I was paying low $2's for gas. When he left I was paying mid $4's and as high as mid $5's. BUSH EATS PENIS SANDWICHES. Hell I don't remember the last time gas was as low for me as the last 2 years, minus the last 4 months of course. Gas prices were the worst I ever remember them with Bush. Again he can eat a sandwich made out of penises. So until gas goes up over a buck more here, and stays at that level for 6 solid months. I gotta say Barack >>>> Bush Jr.

Bush reign was 8 years. Barack not likely to get a reign.

People want Republican rule back in power.
 

bigi

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I would love to be able to buy gas for $5 a US Gallon. Here it's the equivalent of $8.20/gallon at the moment and has been for the last year or so.

Yes, I bet you drive 15km to a store and do 30,000km a year - right?
 

lxskllr

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People want Republican rule back in power.

Americans are told what they want. They're too stupid to do their own thinking, and we will indeed get another 4 years of Obama. Not that I care that much; they're all the same. Everyone whines about change, but isn't willing to do it. They want to cut other peoples handouts, but not their own.
 

Arkaign

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Gasoline was right around $1.85 a gallon when Obama took office.

I think Obama is about the same back of dicks as those who came before, but that $1.85 figure is largely an anomaly.

average-us-gas-price-2003-2009.jpg


To get the recipe for gas prices, look at production, demand, distribution, and perhaps most importantly speculation (note, the price collapse of oil, and by extension gas happened when both demand collapsed along with the speculators fleeing oil futures).
 

NutBucket

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Also, don't be fooled by Brits quoting gas mileages. When they throw out figures in miles per gallon, they're actually using a bigger gallon.
THIS

1 Imperial Gallon = 1.20 US Gallons

They still have more efficient cars available than we do; its just that their econ numbers aren't quite as spectacular;)

For example, 2010 VW Polo Bluemotion is rated 71mpg on the European cycle. Not sure how the European test compares to the EPA tests, but converting Imperial to US gallons yields a US equivalent of 59mpg. Certainly nothing to sneeze at.
 

Arkaign

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THIS

1 Imperial Gallon = 1.20 US Gallons

They still have more efficient cars available than we do; its just that their econ numbers aren't quite as spectacular;)

For example, 2010 VW Polo Bluemotion is rated 71mpg on the European cycle. Not sure how the European test compares to the EPA tests, but converting Imperial to US gallons yields a US equivalent of 59mpg. Certainly nothing to sneeze at.

To add to that, Euro MPG testing is still behind the latest US MPG testing in terms of real-world harshness. For example the "highway" testing for US includes AC use, lots of decel/accel over the "course", it's actually pretty severe, and if you drive an open road trip you'll see the numbers hugely beaten. I took my "35mpg" Focus on a road trip and averaged 42mpg due to that difference. The EPA did that change though to simulate more common "highway" experiences of the majority of drivers who don't get to enjoy 300+ mile stretches of no constant accel/decel.

So a safe calculation might be to not only compensate for imperial gallons, but when comparing to EPA MPG numbers, to subtract about 10% to offset the testing differences.