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Craig234

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Originally posted by: Robor
As far as the sting goes... I think it's funny that the defense always says their client was set up. DUH! It's a sting. That's what they do. They set you up. :laugh:

Imagine the police approach undercover 1,000 18 to 21 year olds in a poor community and offer them big bucks to transport some drugs.

They're oging to get a certain number who say yes - who are not currently doing so or any other crimes - and long prison sentences.

It raises the question how useful - and harmful - such an activity is by the police, creating a problem where one doesn't exist.

In other words, our society's situation is that there are a good number of people who might give in to such temptations, but haven't; our jails are filled enough with those who have.

Do we want to just go after the people who have - or do we want to try to put in prison everyone who would eventually do any one criminal act they're tempted with by police?

Relevance of wealth - when the police make the offer to 1,000 18 to 21 year olds in a wealthy community, they're likely to get a lot fewer people who give in to the temptation.

Those kids don't 'need the money' as much and can more easily refuse the offer. It doesn't make it 'right' for the poor kids to take it, but it does create an unequal temptation.

This terrorism arrrest smacks strongly of people who were not a threat, who were manipulated into things for the agenda of a government who desperately wanted a 'terrorism catch' for its own selfish reasons, largely simply the political rewards of adminstration successes for use in the elections of 'protecting the nation'. When people who otherwise were not any real threat are sacrificed for such purposes, it's injustice.

Of course, I'm sure the righties here would be happy for their kids to have the government tempting them regularly with drugs, sex, money, test answers, whatever, trying to get them to 'take some pictures of school buildings' and then throwing them in prison if they made a bad choice. And call it 'justice'.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: palehorse
WTF does being poor have to do with it!?

They were found guilty, by a jury, in a court of law. Period.

Hang 'em all.
You have to remember that the leftie reasoning behind 9/11 and all previous terror attacks was that the middle east is terribly poor and repressed, and that if we would just send them more money (but stop interfering in their islamofacist agenda) then the won't hate us. Problem solved!
Don't forget the big hug and sincere handshake. That defuses most terrorists instantly.

I remember decades ago when some right-wingers were not idiots. In a sort of reverse Darwinistic culling of the herd, the non-idiots are no longer righties, it seems.

I should be fair though, some righties are merely terribly ignorant - but trying to get them to read a book is like trying to get Dick Cheney to hug a terrorist.

You could ask them why they don't realize that putting up pathetic straw men about 'big hugs solving terrorism' only show how clueless they are, when in fact they can't find a single liberal public figure who says that, yet they rest their position on something false;
but they won't be able to answer.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: dphantom
3 juries, 1 conviction. Case closed.
If the glove doesn't fit, find a good seamstress.
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: rchiu
But since they went through the normal legal process and were convicted by one out of three juries, I assume there were enough evidance for the jury to determine their guilt.
Fixed.

Wrong as always. 2 mistrials, the jury in those 2 cases had nothing to do with it.

1 jury, 1 conviction. Case closed.

Two previous trials for the "Liberty City Six" ended in mistrials when juries could not agree on verdicts

Ok, you didn't provide a link so I had to do some digging and that is correct. Looks like some on the previous juries were protecting the defendants ending up in a hung jury.

Is "protecting the defendants" code for "thought they weren't guilty"?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: rchiu
But since they went through the normal legal process and were convicted by one out of three juries, I assume there were enough evidance for the jury to determine their guilt.
Fixed.

Wrong as always. 2 mistrials, the jury in those 2 cases had nothing to do with it.

1 jury, 1 conviction. Case closed.

Two previous trials for the "Liberty City Six" ended in mistrials when juries could not agree on verdicts

Ok, you didn't provide a link so I had to do some digging and that is correct. Looks like some on the previous juries were protecting the defendants ending up in a hung jury.

Is "protecting the defendants" code for "thought they weren't guilty"?
OR that the penalty may not have fit the crime

 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: Robor
What made the convenience store clerk turn them in to the FBI?

As far as the sting goes... I think it's funny that the defense always says their client was set up. DUH! It's a sting. That's what they do. They set you up. :laugh:

That's why nobody ever falls for an internet scam?
 

jpeyton

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Remember to make a new thread after a few years worth of appeals.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Of course, I'm sure the righties here would be happy for their kids to have the government tempting them regularly with drugs, sex, money, test answers, whatever, trying to get them to 'take some pictures of school buildings' and then throwing them in prison if they made a bad choice. And call it 'justice'.

It's amazing how you, Craig234, know the full facts of this case better than even the jury does! Brilliant!
 

halik

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They initially came under investigation when an area convenience-store clerk from Yemen reported to the FBI that Batiste was seeking support from Middle Eastern terrorists.

This cracked me up to no end. Some idiots growing up in a "tough neighborhood" of one of the wealthiest countries in the world want to play terrorists.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Craig234
Of course, I'm sure the righties here would be happy for their kids to have the government tempting them regularly with drugs, sex, money, test answers, whatever, trying to get them to 'take some pictures of school buildings' and then throwing them in prison if they made a bad choice. And call it 'justice'.

It's amazing how you, Craig234, know the full facts of this case better than even the jury does! Brilliant!

You're an idiot.
 
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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: rchiu
But since they went through the normal legal process and were convicted by one out of three juries, I assume there were enough evidance for the jury to determine their guilt.
Fixed.

Wrong as always. 2 mistrials, the jury in those 2 cases had nothing to do with it.

1 jury, 1 conviction. Case closed.

Two previous trials for the "Liberty City Six" ended in mistrials when juries could not agree on verdicts

Well when you have half the jury with a brain and the other half liberals, you'll have a mistrial.
Stupid people will always fall for the oh, they're poor immigrants, they should be given the benefit of the doubt, they are just trying to make a good honest life for themselves.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: rchiu
But since they went through the normal legal process and were convicted by one out of three juries, I assume there were enough evidance for the jury to determine their guilt.
Fixed.

Wrong as always. 2 mistrials, the jury in those 2 cases had nothing to do with it.

1 jury, 1 conviction. Case closed.

Two previous trials for the "Liberty City Six" ended in mistrials when juries could not agree on verdicts

Ok, you didn't provide a link so I had to do some digging and that is correct. Looks like some on the previous juries were protecting the defendants ending up in a hung jury.

Is "protecting the defendants" code for "thought they weren't guilty"?
OR that the penalty may not have fit the crime

Exactly. I imply nothing beyond what I wrote. Hung juries happen all the time resulting in a mistrial.