lozina
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alot of the vehicles named here are considered "crossover" SUV's according to this
though I really wonder why the OP specifies "no crossovers" what is the beef with them? My Honda Pilot is considered a mid-size "crossover" SUV but it has no drawbacks making it inferior to regular SUV's, at least when it comes to the driving I am doing. In fact it's better because it has smoother ride and handles turns like a dream!
though I really wonder why the OP specifies "no crossovers" what is the beef with them? My Honda Pilot is considered a mid-size "crossover" SUV but it has no drawbacks making it inferior to regular SUV's, at least when it comes to the driving I am doing. In fact it's better because it has smoother ride and handles turns like a dream!
dug777
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The minor inability to master anything other than a well maintained gravel road isn't a drawback when buying a 4WD?
Perhaps the OP would like to take his 4WD....you've guessed it...offroad
Another significant problem with crossovers is that 'generally' their tow rating sucks donkey nuts.
lozina
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Originally posted by: dug777
The minor inability to master anything other than a well maintained gravel road isn't a drawback when buying a 4WD?
Perhaps the OP would like to take his 4WD....you've guessed it...offroad
are you kidding?
The VW Toureg is considered a crossover yet its offroad capabilities are awesome, probably better than most "genuine" SUVs. My Pilot has handled any offroad situation I ever needed it to, including muddy dirt (not gravel) roads going to remote camping sites. I don't know why anyway would 'need' to do anything more extreme than that.
anyway the OP didnt mention towing anything or going offroad under the features he's looking for in his post. ASnd if he's not interesting in that than why get a truck frame with the lousy trucklike ride when you can get a much more comfortable SUV which will handle the highways like a dream.
dug777
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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: dug777
The minor inability to master anything other than a well maintained gravel road isn't a drawback when buying a 4WD?
Perhaps the OP would like to take his 4WD....you've guessed it...offroad
are you kidding?
The VW Toureg is considered a crossover yet its offroad capabilities are awesome, probably better than most "genuine" SUVs. My Pilot has handled any offroad situation I ever needed it to, including muddy dirt (not gravel) roads going to remote camping sites. I don't know why anyway would 'need' to do anything more extreme than that.
anyway the OP didnt mention towing anything or going offroad under the features he's looking for in his post. ASnd if he's not interesting in that than why get a truck frame with the lousy trucklike ride when you can get a much more comfortable SUV which will handle the highways like a dream.
The Toureg would get its ass handed to it by a Landcruiser 100 series or a Nissan Patrol
Add to that i severly doubt its body could take a lifetime of offroad work like a proper ladder framed vehicle...I'm sure you pilot has handled a muddy road, but so has my 89' 323
Actually going 'offroading' requires good rampover/entry/departure angles, decent ground clearance, and a low range transfer box..well, for mud and sand work that low range box and ground clearance are extremely important...I have to admit i made the assumption that people would buy a proper 4WD with the intention of using it for the purposes it was built for, but if he just wants the high ride and the SUV look than you can throw everything i've said out the window
iamwiz82
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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: dug777
The minor inability to master anything other than a well maintained gravel road isn't a drawback when buying a 4WD?
Perhaps the OP would like to take his 4WD....you've guessed it...offroad
are you kidding?
The VW Toureg is considered a crossover yet its offroad capabilities are awesome, probably better than most "genuine" SUVs. My Pilot has handled any offroad situation I ever needed it to, including muddy dirt (not gravel) roads going to remote camping sites. I don't know why anyway would 'need' to do anything more extreme than that.
anyway the OP didnt mention towing anything or going offroad under the features he's looking for in his post. ASnd if he's not interesting in that than why get a truck frame with the lousy trucklike ride when you can get a much more comfortable SUV which will handle the highways like a dream.
I wouldn't say awesome.
http://www.infinitemile.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=5001
You can get a new Toyota FJ Cruiser for just over 25K. They are top notch for off-road, are Toyota reliable, and funky-cool looking.
Originally posted by: dug777
i wouldn't trust a Landrover to get me from here to the post office
Toyota 4WDs are bulletproof in my experience, most of the other japanese brands are very good too...
I suggest a Prado myself, big punchy V6, excellent off road, great towing, and exceptionally good NVH levels, the turbodiesel is also excellent
Or if you've got the money, a turbodiesel Landcruiser 100 series would be about as good as they get, tow anything, go anywhere
No such thing as a Toyota Prado in the US of A. The closest he could get would be the FJ Cruiser that I just suggested.
Also, no turbo-diesels here unless you buy a full size pickup (except the Jeep Liberty), and I don't think they sell the Land Cruiser 100 series here either.
*Edit, they do sell the "100" here, but they only offer one style, which is the least capable of the 100's, although still pretty darn good.*
I think it is "crossover", at least as far as the OP is concerned. I have a Forester and would have recommended it except for the OPs request.
GrantMeThePower
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Don't forget to look at the Volkswagon Touareg or the Porsche Cayenne. The Touareg especially is a VERY capable vehicle offroad, and more luxurious than the LR3.
lozina
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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: dug777
The minor inability to master anything other than a well maintained gravel road isn't a drawback when buying a 4WD?
Perhaps the OP would like to take his 4WD....you've guessed it...offroad
are you kidding?
The VW Toureg is considered a crossover yet its offroad capabilities are awesome, probably better than most "genuine" SUVs. My Pilot has handled any offroad situation I ever needed it to, including muddy dirt (not gravel) roads going to remote camping sites. I don't know why anyway would 'need' to do anything more extreme than that.
anyway the OP didnt mention towing anything or going offroad under the features he's looking for in his post. ASnd if he's not interesting in that than why get a truck frame with the lousy trucklike ride when you can get a much more comfortable SUV which will handle the highways like a dream.
I wouldn't say awesome.
http://www.infinitemile.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=5001
hey not fair - a stock toureg vs a modified ranger! :|
i bet a stock ranger would have got stuck too
iamwiz82
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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: dug777
The minor inability to master anything other than a well maintained gravel road isn't a drawback when buying a 4WD?
Perhaps the OP would like to take his 4WD....you've guessed it...offroad
are you kidding?
The VW Toureg is considered a crossover yet its offroad capabilities are awesome, probably better than most "genuine" SUVs. My Pilot has handled any offroad situation I ever needed it to, including muddy dirt (not gravel) roads going to remote camping sites. I don't know why anyway would 'need' to do anything more extreme than that.
anyway the OP didnt mention towing anything or going offroad under the features he's looking for in his post. ASnd if he's not interesting in that than why get a truck frame with the lousy trucklike ride when you can get a much more comfortable SUV which will handle the highways like a dream.
I wouldn't say awesome.
http://www.infinitemile.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=5001
hey not fair - a stock toureg vs a modified ranger! :|
i bet a stock ranger would have got stuck too
I doubt it. Look how shallow that pit was!
BTW, those were VW execs doing a test run of the diesel engine about 3 years ago. I know the people that were there and took the pics and they said that the faces on those two guys was priceless. They had hydrolocked the engine, btw. A wrecker had to come and pick them up.
JImmyK
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3rd Gen 4runner
LX450 FZJ80
absolutely bulletbroof
I have had both for over 100,000 each with NO issues todate...
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jkhan/trucks.jpg
That runner is supercharged 32s 2.5 lift navigation, rear diff lock
that Lx450 has 35s front & rear diff lock, 8 seater, solid axles front and back
Go Yota!!
honestly any 4runner or cruiser and your set for life.... Its nice to have a vehicle and know you can get 250,000-300,00 before any engine work needs to be done
LX450 FZJ80
absolutely bulletbroof
I have had both for over 100,000 each with NO issues todate...
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jkhan/trucks.jpg
That runner is supercharged 32s 2.5 lift navigation, rear diff lock
that Lx450 has 35s front & rear diff lock, 8 seater, solid axles front and back
Go Yota!!
honestly any 4runner or cruiser and your set for life.... Its nice to have a vehicle and know you can get 250,000-300,00 before any engine work needs to be done
Originally posted by: JImmyK
3rd Gen 4runner
LX450 FZJ80
absolutely bulletbroof
I have had both for over 100,000 each with NO issues todate...
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jkhan/trucks.jpg
That runner is supercharged 32s 2.5 lift navigation, rear diff lock
that Lx450 has 35s front & rear diff lock, 8 seater, solid axles front and back
Go Yota!!
honestly any 4runner or cruiser and your set for life.... Its nice to have a vehicle and know you can get 250,000-300,00 before any engine work needs to be done
Finally someone posts some real off road vehicles... enough about the damn Touareg, which is a minivan that can lift itself an inch or two.
Offroad capabilities really depends on your needs: whatever makes the most sense for your usage.
If you spend 90% on road and 10% off (real offroad, not merely a few dirt trails), don't buy a vehicle that will suck on the road just for a bit better offroad capabilities. That'd be stupid.
90% / 10% is using your vehicle offroad 1 full hour every 9 hours of on road use. I bet the average SUV gets less than 1% usage, perhaps less than 0.1%.
The Touareg has upwards of 11.9" of ground clearance, 22.8" fording depth, can handle a 45º gradient and lateral inclination, 27.2º approach and 33.2º departure, low range, locking diff. It can even tow 7700 lbs (even the V6). That's more than enough for the vast majority of people. Frankly, it's better than the vast majority of stock vehicles.
If you spend 90% on road and 10% off (real offroad, not merely a few dirt trails), don't buy a vehicle that will suck on the road just for a bit better offroad capabilities. That'd be stupid.
90% / 10% is using your vehicle offroad 1 full hour every 9 hours of on road use. I bet the average SUV gets less than 1% usage, perhaps less than 0.1%.
The Touareg has upwards of 11.9" of ground clearance, 22.8" fording depth, can handle a 45º gradient and lateral inclination, 27.2º approach and 33.2º departure, low range, locking diff. It can even tow 7700 lbs (even the V6). That's more than enough for the vast majority of people. Frankly, it's better than the vast majority of stock vehicles.
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