477 Rifles (machine guns, AKs, etc) , 100K of ammo, 500 lbs. of gunpowder - Baghdad? Gaza? Waco? Guess again..

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There were some antique weapons, a World War II machine gun and some black powder muzzle-loading muskets, but the majority of nearly 500 firearms found in a Ridgefield home this week are illegal assault rifles, police said Thursday.

"There is no collector value" to many of the weapons, said borough Detective Robert Williams.

"Every one of the guns were in working condition. A few found were loaded, some with fired rounds in the chamber," Williams said.

Sherwin Raymond, 82, remained in police custody Thursday at Hackensack University Medical Center, where authorities said he was receiving dialysis treatment. He is charged with creating a public hazard, which carries a $25,000 bail.

Additional charges were expected as authorities continued to dig through the stockpile of 477 guns taken from Raymond's Abbott Avenue home on Wednesday.

A borough firing range also was sealed on Thursday, but police officials refused to say what role, if any, it plays in their investigation.

Raymond, a former borough police surgeon, is a twice-convicted felon who once sold two silencer-equipped submachine guns to an undercover federal agent. The convictions bar Raymond from collecting weapons.

"Whether he is a collector or not makes no difference," Williams said. "He gave up that right."

What he might have been doing with the seized cache remained an open question.

Among the weapons seized were an undetermined number of AK-47s and 20 Chinese-made SKS semiautomatic rifles with bayonets - both of which are banned in New Jersey.

The overall conditions of the majority of the weapons "were nowhere near collector quality," he said.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is tracing each of the weapons to help determine where it came from, said Police Chief John Bogovich.

"We are in the beginning stages, and it is probably going to take a minimum of two months to find out the pertinent information," Bogovich said. "Each weapon, depending on where it came from, could be a separate charge."

Police discovered the weapons Monday while escorting Raymond's wife, Elizabeth, back home. The Alzheimer's patient was found wandering disoriented in the neighborhood, they said.

In addition to the firearms, officials also recovered about 100,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 25 large-capacity magazines, and canister tubes that can be used to make silencers, Williams said.

The Bergen County Bomb Squad removed 500 pounds of gunpowder that was left in leaking bags - in some cases no more than 4 feet from a boiler, propane tanks and gasoline, Williams said.

"The overall condition was extremely hazardous," Williams said.
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Jassi

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Where do nuts like that get the money to get an arsenal like that? Its scary :(
 

PanzerIV

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Originally posted by: Jassi
Where do nuts like that get the money to get an arsenal like that? Its scary :(

Same thing I was thinking when I read the article.
 

JulesMaximus

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Among the weapons seized were an undetermined number of AK-47s and 20 Chinese-made SKS semiautomatic rifles with bayonets - both of which are banned in New Jersey.

Meh, who cares...
 

sourceninja

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"umm, Where's Charlton Heston when you need him..."

He's probably out protecting legal gun owners, not illegal gun owners who try to sell firearms illegally.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Jassi
Where do nuts like that get the money to get an arsenal like that? Its scary :(


I know, I can only afford one or two guns a month.

:(
 

bob4432

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exactly, who cares except for the fact that it was a convicted felon. just the media blitz on their anit-gun agenda.

in all reality i am much more impressed with a person with a small collection of guns he actually uses.

NJ has those messed up gun laws...
 

MiniDoom

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Originally posted by: bob4432
exactly, who cares except for the fact that it was a convicted felon. just the media blitz on their anit-gun agenda.

in all reality i am much more impressed with a person with a small collection of guns he actually uses.

NJ has those messed up gun laws...


God forbid you attach a bayonet to your rifle.:D
 

Brackis

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Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#
You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers gets arrested, it is wrong?
Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your collection of hobby guns you middle class white conservative folks and stop acting like poor victims who need to "rise up".




Edited: spelling and a few clarifying words.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?
 

deadlyapp

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its the fact that he had automatic weapons, as well as creating an extreme hazard. Would you like to live next door when his house blows to smitheens and takes your house with it?
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?

I was wondering the exact same thing.
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?

I was wondering the exact same thing.
Ditto. I don't even actually own any guns, and I'm disgusted by those trying to take away my rights to own them if I want to. Heck, I'm even in california ;)
Originally posted by: deadlyapp
its the fact that he had automatic weapons, as well as creating an extreme hazard. Would you like to live next door when his house blows to smitheens and takes your house with it?
Oh no, not a..a..automatic weapons!!!
 

So

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?

I was wondering the exact same thing.

Same here...What?
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?
How freaking hard is it to understand? I mean I know this is OT but come-f***ing-on man. Hes talking about the sad double standard some people have been displaying in this thread and your pathetic need for weapons to fight a government which could easily crush you even with said weapons. If this dude was an Arab or something he would be in Guantonomo sitting in an air-conditioned room with no clothes on and listening to some loud-ass Metallica music for a few days.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?
How freaking hard is it to understand? I mean I know this is OT but come-f***ing-on man. Hes talking about the sad double standard some people have been displaying in this thread and your pathetic need for weapons to fight a government which could easily crush you even with said weapons. If this dude was an Arab or something he would be in Guantonomo sitting in an air-conditioned room with no clothes on and listening to some loud-ass Metallica music for a few days.

Nice bias. :roll:

This is the most idiotic thing I've heard in days.
 

MiniDoom

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?
How freaking hard is it to understand? I mean I know this is OT but come-f***ing-on man. Hes talking about the sad double standard some people have been displaying in this thread and your pathetic need for weapons to fight a government which could easily crush you even with said weapons. If this dude was an Arab or something he would be in Guantonomo sitting in an air-conditioned room with no clothes on and listening to some loud-ass Metallica music for a few days.

American Indian Jew with fully automatic rifle and not sitting in gitmo. Don?t want to fight the government just like shooting guns. Sad how some of you are so quick to jump to conclusions. Oh and not a republican or neocon.

 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?
How freaking hard is it to understand? I mean I know this is OT but come-f***ing-on man. Hes talking about the sad double standard some people have been displaying in this thread and your pathetic need for weapons to fight a government which could easily crush you even with said weapons. If this dude was an Arab or something he would be in Guantonomo sitting in an air-conditioned room with no clothes on and listening to some loud-ass Metallica music for a few days.

What "sad double standard?" The people in this thread, and these forums, are all about protecting a person's right to own weapons legally.

Which has nothing to do with a convicted felon, who illegally acquired and possessed these weapons, not to mention committing an assortment of other crimes.
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Brackis
Jesus christ.... oh noes my guns are going to be taken away?!!@#?!@#

You guys preach and whine about needing more security and military to protect us against evil terrorists who will get weapons and kill all of us, but when its a white guy in New Jersey with 500 pounds of gunpowder in leaking bags who has been selling blackmarket automatic weapons with silencers it is wrong?

Give me a break.
Go enjoy shooting your small collection of hobby guns you middle class white southern folks and stop acting like poor victims.

WTF are you talking about?
How freaking hard is it to understand? I mean I know this is OT but come-f***ing-on man. Hes talking about the sad double standard some people have been displaying in this thread and your pathetic need for weapons to fight a government which could easily crush you even with said weapons. If this dude was an Arab or something he would be in Guantonomo sitting in an air-conditioned room with no clothes on and listening to some loud-ass Metallica music for a few days.

What "sad double standard?" The people in this thread, and these forums, are all about protecting a person's right to own weapons legally.

Which has nothing to do with a convicted felon, who illegally acquired and possessed these weapons, not to mention committing an assortment of other crimes.
It's sad that there are laws that made him a felon :)