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4400+ Overclocked with 7800GTX on 300w MicroATX P.S

videoclone

videoclone

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Ok My next upgrade will be a Athlon X2 4400+ Nforce4 Micro ATX board with a 7800GXT .. or R520 with 2Gb's ram running in a microATX case with a 300w P.S

My Current Setup is a Athlon64 3400+ s754 VIA800 MicroATX 1GB Gainward Geforce6800GT GS running at Ultra for core and mem.

Doesnt have any issues with 300w .. how do you think the new parts would cope?
 
That is a fine idea if you want to damage your computer. An overclocked 4400+ will easily get into the 120watt range and the 7800 is at 100watts by itself. You are looking at 220 watts on just the cpu and graphics card, never mind the amperage usage on the 12V line You will definitely want a new psu with a bare minimum of 20-25 amps on the 12V rail.
 
Originally posted by: jdogg707
The 350W PSU in my SN25P powers the system in my sig. without issue.
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You link is bad. At least when I click it. He is overclocking a 4400+ At stock this will use around 100watts at full usage. His 7800 will also probably use around 100watts under load. We don't know what his amps are on his rails but I would suspect he wouldn't make it very far trying overclock with that weak a psu.
 
Dude, you need to get an antec truepower 2.0 550W PSU for like $110. It's not just about enough power but proper voltages in each individual rail to keep your computer stable. I would assume a 30% efficiency loss at full load leaving you with out enough power on the 12V rail in any case putting your computer equipment at risk. So, grab that PSU it's perfect for your set up in SLI, just in case.
 
definitely get a PSU over 550 Watts. You can't overclock with a 300W. PERIOD! And it's not just with your system. If you're going to overclock ANY system higher than AXP then you need something bigger than that 300W. It will seriously hold back your O/Cing attempts. I know this for sure. When I switched from my 420 to my 600W, I gained about 5-7 FSB just because of the PSU.
 
Originally posted by: TheMerovingian

Dude, you need to get an antec truepower 2.0 550W PSU for like $110.
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Originally posted by: redDragon128

definitely get a PSU over 550 Watts.
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Did either of you even read the OP?

Originally posted by: redDragon128

Ok My next upgrade will be a Athlon X2 4400+ Nforce4 Micro ATX board with a 7800GXT .. or R520 with 2Gb's ram running in a microATX case with a 300w P.S
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Perhaps he should just duct tape those huge PSUs to the side of his case?

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

the 7800 is at 100watts by itself.
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6800 Ultra only uses 72W(link) and the 7800 uses even less(link).



Videoclone please go to SFFTECH forums where we actually have expereience with overclocking high-end uATX systems.
 
Originally posted by: Mirko
Originally posted by: TheMerovingian

Dude, you need to get an antec truepower 2.0 550W PSU for like $110.
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Originally posted by: redDragon128

definitely get a PSU over 550 Watts.
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Did either of you even read the OP?

Originally posted by: redDragon128

Ok My next upgrade will be a Athlon X2 4400+ Nforce4 Micro ATX board with a 7800GXT .. or R520 with 2Gb's ram running in a microATX case with a 300w P.S
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Perhaps he should just duct tape those huge PSUs to the side of his case?

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

the 7800 is at 100watts by itself.
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6800 Ultra only uses 72W(link) and the 7800 uses even less(link).



Videoclone please go to SFFTECH forums where we actually have expereience with overclocking high-end uATX systems.
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So ok fine. You got me. I missed the microATX part. So what I should be saying now is:
Don't plan on Overclocking much.

 
Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Originally posted by: jdogg707
The 350W PSU in my SN25P powers the system in my sig. without issue.
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You link is bad. At least when I click it. He is overclocking a 4400+ At stock this will use around 100watts at full usage. His 7800 will also probably use around 100watts under load. We don't know what his amps are on his rails but I would suspect he wouldn't make it very far trying overclock with that weak a psu.
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Link works just fine for me. Anyway, my system...

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ @ 2.42GHZ
2GB OCZ Platinum Memory
BFG 7800GTX OC'ed to 480/1.35GHZ
Hitachi 250GB SATA II Hard Drive
NEC 3520A DVD Burner

Prime stable for 24 hours...no issues what so ever in any games or apps.

A quality PSU will be able to handle a good load.
 
Originally posted by: jdogg707
Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Originally posted by: jdogg707
The 350W PSU in my SN25P powers the system in my sig. without issue.
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You link is bad. At least when I click it. He is overclocking a 4400+ At stock this will use around 100watts at full usage. His 7800 will also probably use around 100watts under load. We don't know what his amps are on his rails but I would suspect he wouldn't make it very far trying overclock with that weak a psu.
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Link works just fine for me. Anyway, my system...

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ @ 2.42GHZ
2GB OCZ Platinum Memory
BFG 7800GTX OC'ed to 480/1.35GHZ
Hitachi 250GB SATA II Hard Drive
NEC 3520A DVD Burner

Prime stable for 24 hours...no issues what so ever in any games or apps.

A quality PSU will be able to handle a good load.
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Well, Shuttle PSU's are active PFC. We're not sure if this power supply is.
 
what we should never forget is that no-name PSUs tend to be low quality builts. Maybe its working in its parameters and everything goes alright but, but if the PSU dies it can probably damage other components. Its ur decision if u want to risk that or buy a trustworthy brand like Enermax, Tagan, Seasonic, BeQuiet, Antec..
 
I?ve had the current set-up for a year now with no heat issues and the power supply isn?t even worm to the touch when both CPU and GPU are at 100% usage for hours on end... I assumed a 3400+ 0.13u & 6800u 0.13u ran hotter and on more power then a 4400+ 0.90u and 7800GTX 0.11u

Am i wrong? ? A 300w PSU was the best thing I could find for a m-atx case. And I HATE Large wast of space UGLY case?s.
 
I would be greatly surprised if you got very far at all in your ocing endeavors.....I have no doubts you could possibly boot with it, but then launching a 3d intensive game while doing something else perhaps and i see plenty of freezes for you in the future...

MarkFW900 has a 6800Gt with a 4400+ oc'd to 4800+ speeds and was fine with his 380watt pSU...he had to back it down from 2.5ghz cause it would freeze evrytime he started 3dmark....I suggested the PSU was too small and he switched to a 430 true power and ran 2.56ghz at 3dmark....It was clearly his power supply. nd this was with 1.4-1.45v of voltage on a basically a lan box without mass number of drives...no ocing on the vid card, etc....

My personal reoemnedation for anyone wnating to OC an X2 with a higher end video card to look minimum 480watt or supper high quality psu if you want the low 400's....NO 300's ever!!!!!
 
Ok I?ve tried over clocking my 3400+ 0.13u s745 from 2.4Ghz to 2.5Ghz worked ok i also pushed the Gain ward GS 6800GT to 430 and 1230 ram ... Rock solid in HL2, BF2 and 3Dmark 05

The 300w micro-atx power supply i purchased is a piece of cheap crap ...yet i can achieve these results and I?ve been running with it stable and rock solid for over a year not 1 crash not 1 problem ... so why do you insist these new components wont have a chance in hell running?

My last system was an over clocked 2500+ Barton at 2.1Ghz with an over clocked 9800Pro on a 200w Micro ATX power supply and it also had not 1 crash or 1 single problem. For well over 2 years.

I don?t know if Micro ATX power supplies are superior to Standard ATX power supply?s because my friend couldn?t even get his computer to start when he tried to do the same thing with his 2500+ and 9800Pro on a 250w Standard ATX power supply? and we even tried a 300w and still didn?t work. He had to get a 400w before his computer turned on. And let him overclock.

Mind you every single micro atx power supply I?ve ever purchased have been the cheapest thing I could get .. no name brand ?crapiola? .. and they have all worked Awesome.
 
Go ahead no one is stopping you...You asked for our opinions jack-ass then you argue against everything that is told you...Go somewhere else if you are not interested in help...

I gave you 1 real world example of ocing and X2 with a 6800GT (not oc'd).....ignore if you wish....

search other boards I am sure I saw a few ppl having isses with 400watt power supplies as well...
 
Videoclone- Try to get a high quality PSU. A Shuttle-quality 300W-350W mATX PSU would suit your needs very well, as they have been said to perform on par with 500-550W standard PSUs. With your current PSU, you WILL have OCing issues. Overclocking your 3400+ is NOT a fair comparison, this will be 2 cores, each drawing less than your current A64, but still drawing more as a total. Your components will have a chance in hell, and they may even overclock a bit, but you really should get a better PSU to get the most out of your system.
 
Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
That is a fine idea if you want to damage your computer. An overclocked 4400+ will easily get into the 120watt range and the 7800 is at 100watts by itself. You are looking at 220 watts on just the cpu and graphics card, never mind the amperage usage on the 12V line You will definitely want a new psu with a bare minimum of 20-25 amps on the 12V rail.
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the 7800 figure has already been disproven, and your 4400 figure is equally off base. A single core 3500 sandiego is only in the 30-40 watt range, doubling that would lead to 60-80 watt. Regardless of that though, at least a quality 400+ watt psu should be automatic with a $1500+ pc.
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Go ahead no one is stopping you...You asked for our opinions jack-ass then you argue against everything that is told you...Go somewhere else if you are not interested in help...

I gave you 1 real world example of ocing and X2 with a 6800GT (not oc'd).....ignore if you wish....

search other boards I am sure I saw a few ppl having isses with 400watt power supplies as well...
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hmmm Anger management anybody ?..., ^.^ oowww

with a 6800GT .. doesnt this use's more W/tt then a 7800GTX from anantechs review and doesnt a Dual 4400+ 0.90u also use less w/tt then a 3400+ 0.13 OLD Athlon s754 CPU

These are the questions i'm asking geezzz.
 
i had a good experience using the Enermax EG451P-V, it's 400w PSU with 30a on +12v. It's also a 2U design that allowed me to put it in a mATX coolermaster case. It was powering a prescott, 1gb ram 3 hard drives and 2 opticals along with a multitude of fans without a problem.
 
Originally posted by: videoclone
Originally posted by: Duvie
Go ahead no one is stopping you...You asked for our opinions jack-ass then you argue against everything that is told you...Go somewhere else if you are not interested in help...

I gave you 1 real world example of ocing and X2 with a 6800GT (not oc'd).....ignore if you wish....

search other boards I am sure I saw a few ppl having isses with 400watt power supplies as well...
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hmmm Anger management anybody ?..., ^.^ oowww

with a 6800GT .. doesnt this use's more W/tt then a 7800GTX from anantechs review and doesnt a Dual 4400+ 0.90u also use less w/tt then a 3400+ 0.13 OLD Athlon s754 CPU

These are the questions i'm asking geezzz.
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No anger management issues here...tired of your post where you ask questions and ppl respond and you argue with them....We are giving ou opinions. I have oc'd more then the most and I have had 300-350-400-430-431-480 and now 600watt powersupplies throughout my years and I have seen my progression. You can go cheap and small and you may just limit your ocing ability...I am trying to help you have power with headroom which you will need for a stable oc when you start loading the 2 cors with gaming and all your drives.....

Dude I dont give a fvck what you buy....At this point I hope you go with the cheap one and fry your system!!!
 
It seems that 90nm AMD cpus turn to prescotts at higher clockspeeds (well, not really...). I've read of overclocked X2s drawing 140+watts, and I'm sure that your powersupply WILL NOT be able to handle that. On the other hand, if you dont plan on overclocking you might be able to pull it off with that psu, though I'd just recommend getting a better one regardless. You are investing craploads of cash into your system, dont risk it all to save 50 or 100 (which is what a good psu will set you back for).
 
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