RelaxTheMind
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sweet im planning on a new setup by summer too...
im pretty sure intel has something up their sleeves. they been pretty quiet and shady lately... thats not like them. I think its something along the lines of the centrino technology on lappys.
im pretty sure intel has something up their sleeves. they been pretty quiet and shady lately... thats not like them. I think its something along the lines of the centrino technology on lappys.
GuitarDaddy
Lifer
- Nov 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Earlier than I thought
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May:
FX-57 2.8Ghz
4200-2.6Ghz 1mb lvl2
3600-2.2Ghz 1mb Lvl2
I sure wonder how that 3600 is going to clock? That might be one I could actually afford.
If like Winnies the good ones can clock to the FX speeds 2.8ghz w/ 1m cache :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
Hey what about Intel Dual core with one core is prescott to take advantage of Intel's multitasking prowess and the next core will be DOTHAN for gaming will this be possible?????
EightySix Four
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no, the os wouldn't know which to use, and that would just be another layer of hardware hell. It's just two prescott's slapped on one chip, nothing special.
ahock, the only advantage Intel has had is due to their higher clock speeds. Hyperthreading was made possible because of the very long instruction pipeline of the P4. Intel hasn't really had a real advantage when it comes to multi-tasking.
As for the other stuff going on...
When 64 bit starts to come into play for more than just extra memory per process, that's when we will see how well Intel was able to implement the 64 bit extensions. AMD designed the 64 bit extensions for more than just breaking the four gig per process memory limitation that 32 bit limits you to. AMD is finally putting SSE 3 into their processors, which will help for speed in certain applications. AMD is still increasing core clock rates as well as working on improvements to the fundamental system setup. I'd expect another speed bump to HyperTransport this year or early next to give AMD more advantages.
AMD is showing leadership all around. Integrated memory controller, HyperTransport, and dual core were all things that AMD has been designing for years now. Intel is playing catch-up, and hasn't come up with a really NEW technology for a while now, except for PCI Express.
As for the other stuff going on...
When 64 bit starts to come into play for more than just extra memory per process, that's when we will see how well Intel was able to implement the 64 bit extensions. AMD designed the 64 bit extensions for more than just breaking the four gig per process memory limitation that 32 bit limits you to. AMD is finally putting SSE 3 into their processors, which will help for speed in certain applications. AMD is still increasing core clock rates as well as working on improvements to the fundamental system setup. I'd expect another speed bump to HyperTransport this year or early next to give AMD more advantages.
AMD is showing leadership all around. Integrated memory controller, HyperTransport, and dual core were all things that AMD has been designing for years now. Intel is playing catch-up, and hasn't come up with a really NEW technology for a while now, except for PCI Express.
AMD should destroy Intel when they have the chance. Show they have the fastest chips on the market and really solidify their name. This could be used to swing market leadership their way, and make Intel #2. The whole reason to be the performance king is to create brand recognition and loyalty to potential customers. If AMD can top at x ghz, then the lower y ghz chip they are looking at will probably be an AMD purchase since they see the name synonomous with performance. Hopefully AMD doesn't drop the ball here. Right now is a great opportunity.
AMD marketshare = ~20%
Intel marketshare = ~65%
AMD never advertises and that is one of their biggest flaws. AMD will not top Intel simply because of the Intel's extremely large foot-print in the OEM market. This meaning that companies, namely DELL, enjoy using Intel and nothing but. DELL is huge... so Intel is huge, vice versa.
Intel marketshare = ~65%
AMD never advertises and that is one of their biggest flaws. AMD will not top Intel simply because of the Intel's extremely large foot-print in the OEM market. This meaning that companies, namely DELL, enjoy using Intel and nothing but. DELL is huge... so Intel is huge, vice versa.
Actually AMD couldn't do any better right now even if they wanted to, all of their plants are maxing out production, they can't make enuff.
amd needs to do something for their multitasking users, they've been lackign in that department... intel will own this area with dual cores, hell i would say ht already owns this area but i dont have a p4 or a64 so i dont know...
Intel wants to ramp up 2MB cache and dual core because they have a lot of unused capacity in its fabs, and their architecture is clockspeed limited. AMD is very fab capacity limited, with an architecture that will keep scaling up on clockspeed for a while longer. AMD has no real incentive to have dual cores for the desktop, as they will have half as many chips shipped per wafer. Having dual cores is mainly to satisfy the server segment, which is willing to pay more than double the price of a single core Opteron since they can instantly double the processing per server.
On the desktop, AMD needs to have as small CPUs as possible, hence only 512k of cache and replacing chips with 90nm ones.
I would love to see a dual processor setup from Amd but only zeon has it for right now as far as i know, i am debating on which to get amdFX or dual Zeon on a sever board for what i plan to do is convert that zeon board in to a gaming Setup since this is gonna be hard I might even have to sketch my own board (which even thought i can do this would be a Pain in the azz) since I want SLi and other goddies on the board which i keep going back to AMdFX cuz i can get boards with what i want but i like to have alot more than just 4GBs of Ram Im thinking i would want somthing like 12 or some like that I would get the xeon boards if i was sure that had what i want B4 i run up my Credit Card I would like to start building a pc that will expliot or even m*lest the Windows XP 64 Pro OS and even be able to handle the most intensive Games for at least for the next 5 years ( with GPU upgades ofcoarse):evil:
GuitarDaddy
Lifer
- Nov 9, 2004
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posted by Jstewart53
"I would love to see a dual processor setup from Amd but only zeon has it for right now as far as i know"
Multi Processor system from AMD have been around a long time
You can buy a dual or quad opteron system now that smokes the Zeon machines. And dual core opterons are very close to market if not already released. So now you can get a Quad board with 4 dual cores and have 8 processors
Here is the best Opteron duallie board available right now
Tyan Thunder K8WE
There is a member here with one of the top graphics workstations around based on this board Ribbon13's Rig
"I would love to see a dual processor setup from Amd but only zeon has it for right now as far as i know"
Multi Processor system from AMD have been around a long time
You can buy a dual or quad opteron system now that smokes the Zeon machines. And dual core opterons are very close to market if not already released. So now you can get a Quad board with 4 dual cores and have 8 processors
Here is the best Opteron duallie board available right now
Tyan Thunder K8WE
There is a member here with one of the top graphics workstations around based on this board Ribbon13's Rig
thanx for the update im pretty new to new computers but i have a background in electronics (USMC elctro optic ordance tech) im out now but ne ways thanx for the info the xeon were the only ones i could find to buy and where im at, and dual processors is un heard of (where i live only 10% have computers) but will these quad boards be compatible with regular IDE and take a XP 64 OS and other standard pc components " I dont want a sever but something I can make an ultimate gaming station on" Im trying to reeducate my self cuase for last 4 Yrs i havent had an Internet conection lets say that the last things i really remember about PCs was 90 Mb of Ram was Fast on my Compaq, If you could recommend a board that will upgrade as the year(s) go by :shocked:
GuitarDaddy
Lifer
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The Tyan board that I listed is about as good as it gets for multi-processors
It supports IDE and SATA drives
It supports the PCI-E and SLI (dual graphics cards) best gaming available
but it requires ECC memory(more expensive)
And will support Windows64
At this moment the best gaming machine would be a single CPU FX-55 or FX-57 system, because none of the games are optimized for multi CPU operation. But this will most likely change in the next couple of years.
If you want the very best now available get an FX57 system 2.8mhz
If you want a machine to last 5+ years get the TYAN and dual opteron 252's 2 x 2.6mhz
It supports IDE and SATA drives
It supports the PCI-E and SLI (dual graphics cards) best gaming available
but it requires ECC memory(more expensive)
And will support Windows64
At this moment the best gaming machine would be a single CPU FX-55 or FX-57 system, because none of the games are optimized for multi CPU operation. But this will most likely change in the next couple of years.
If you want the very best now available get an FX57 system 2.8mhz
If you want a machine to last 5+ years get the TYAN and dual opteron 252's 2 x 2.6mhz
HP's been selling dual-core Opteron server platforms for some time now. Granted, they're chock full of Xeons and Itaniums (oh, the horror!), but they've got dual-core Opterons:
http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl585/specifications.html
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