419 scammer scamming

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

just photocopy the check and cross it out and write $950 - $150 on it and say here's your money back

 

[Barfo]

Pics of Ramone?

 

[DrPizza]

 

[Meghan54]

So, how's it going so far?

Just received a check this morning for substantially more than the "item" was for sale on CL....about $2600 more.

Just have to laugh, though. Who actually thinks anyone is ignorant enough to "mistakenly" write out a check for more than the purchase price of something? Sorta makes you wonder about the people that fall for the scam.

It's nice, though, that they cough up the overnight shipping for UPS/FedEx/USPS for the check, if they're not using a boosted credit card.

Of course, the "item" has already been sold and the ad removed.....but the scammers don't know that.....so I email them that they shorted me $$$$ per their check and need to send more. I've gotten a few extra checks this way with their overnight shipping charges.

 

[DrPizza]

This is fun! I'm stringing the guy along, getting him frustrated. He's broken away from the cut & paste with decent grammar/spelling & is now putting effort into the emails.

And, what a bummer! Today, I went to the Western Union on my lunch break, and the cute girl working there was very nice, but not very smart. The receipt machine had run out of ink and she didn't know how to change the ink. Now, I'm very hungry because I skipped lunch, and have to go back to Western Union again tomorrow. I hope someone smarter is working there then.

Oh, and the scammer made a math mistake. He thought I had to wire him $680, but it should actually be $710. How should I proceed? Was the $30 for my trouble? Or was it a genuine mistake? But, his check already cleared at my bank, so I don't want him to be short of funds for very long.

Tomorrow, I have a funny feeling someone's going to steal the item he purchased, so I'll have to refund him the entire amount! Plus a little bit of extra for his trouble. But don't worry, I had it insured for $10,000, and the insurance company is going to pay me the full amount. Does he think I deserve the extra $9,090? (Since he had already purchased it.) Or should we split it? Or should I keep it and just send him back his $910 (plus a little extra for his trouble.)

Gotta see how greedy I can get this guy.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Post some emails. This is funny.

 

[dfuze]

How greedy can they get? Hope that was rhetorical

Of course he deserves 1/2 of that insurance money... but in order for him to get it, tell him the insurance company is requiring that he send a copy of his ID and a handwritten statement stating how he purchased the item and is rightful owner.

 

[alkemyst]

Contact him. Tell him your bank has refused the check. Tell him it has to be a US Postal Money Order for them to accept it.

(that opens the door for more Federal charges...as if mail fraud isn't already enough)

you may want to read up on this, there are websites dedicated to it. It doesn't matter how much charges you tally up, they aren't going to extradite them.

In quite a few countries it's not even illegal to scam someone for money...they put the onus on the person getting scammed to avoid it in the first place.

 

[DrPizza]

really? What countries would those be? It's even illegal in Nigeria (hence "419")

Strung him along until today. The last 3:

So what you need to do now is to go ahead and get the shipping money sent out via Western Union outlet close to you will deduct your fund and send the difference fund will be sent to the shipping company CEO Immediately so that they will proceed with pick up arrangement. You re also to deduct $50 from the remaining for the Western Union charges to send fund.
You are to send $680 after deducting the Western Union charges today so the pickup can be made today.

Here is the name address needed to send money which you are you take to the Western Union outlet to send the money.
NAME : Grover Reese
ADDRESS : 221 heron drive
CITY : Atlanta
STATE : GA
ZIP CODE : 30331
Once the Western Union have been completed you will get back to me with :
1. The Western Union refrence number (MTCN)
2.The total amount sent excluding the charge
3.The amount charge to send the money .

Thank
I will be waiting for the MTCN number today

Its very nice doing business with you

Okay, the check has cleared in my bank account. I went to the Western Union on my lunch break today to send out the money. However, I think you made an error in the math. My original price was $175, but I had lowered it before you offered to purchase it. The check that I deposited was for $910 that your assistant sent to me. So, 910 - 150 is $760. If I only deduct $50 for the Western Union charges, that means I should send you $710, not $680. I wouldn't want to rip you off for an extra $30.

The girl at the Western Union was very nice, but apparently not very smart. The machine to print the receipts had run out of ink, and she had never changed it before. So, I have to wait until tomorrow morning for the transfer to go through, instead of today. I'm very sorry about this, but hope you'll be happy that you saved an extra $30.

-Ramone

Okay
That good it very nice dealing with honest person like you so i will be waiting for you get the western union transaction to be completed tomorrow and once it has been done please in the morning and as soo as you have it done you will get back to me with the transaction details which include :
1. The western union money transfer control number(Mtcn)
2..The senders name and address
3.Total money sent out

Thanks

I will be waiting to read from you .

OMG! When I came home for lunch today to grab the cash to take to Western Union, my neighbor told me the recyclers had picked up all the fencing that I left out front for your shipper. The recycling company thought that all that steel was for them to take, apparently they didn't realize that it was out front of my house because I had sold it and was waiting for someone to pick it up. I tried calling the recycling company, but it was too late. It was already taken to the scrap yard.

I shall return the entire amount that you shipped to me back to you, plus $20 for your troubles, and another $20 for the postage for what you sent to me. $910 + $20 = $930, plus. Fortunately, I have very good property insurance with full replacement value, so I'll be able to get the money back from my insurance company. Hopefully, my agent is still at work this evening. Do you want me to return the money back to the return address on the envelope that was originally shipped to me from?

I am very sorry about this, I didn't think the recyclers would mistake all that steel for something I was putting out for recycling. Please let me know where to send the refund.

Sorry,
Ramone

I'm hoping that now, it gets good. I hope to get to point out that there's no sense in sending the money to his "shipper" since his shipper won't have to pick up the goods. My insurance agent is going to pay out a couple grand. I'm going to need his signature that he purchased the fencing, and I'll split the money with him 50-50 to be fair. (Because if I didn't have it on the curb to begin with, it never would have been picked up.) I wonder if I can get him to ship a $5 bill in one of those express envelopes for the insurance agent, since we tip the insurance agent in these parts. :twisted:

 

[alkemyst]

Chances are Grover Reese has been scammed too. However, your address doesn't exist. You may want to check on USPS, and the little Find a Zip Code on the upper left tab first before hunting down a personal army.

Have you any info on a Nigerian being arrested over scamming money?

Didn't think so.

I didn't get the last part though, are you running this through your insurance agent as a claim? That's fucked up.

 

[DrPizza]

OMG.PLEASE I NEED YOU TO SEND THE MONEY TO THE SHIPPER TODAY USING WESTERN UNION SO THEY CAN GET IT TODAY AS I HAVE ALREADY PREPARE THEM FOR PICKUP TOMORROW AND I DONT WANT A SITUATION THAT I WILL LOOSE ALL THAT I WANT THEM TO PICKUP FOR ME.THEY WILL BE PICKING UO SOME GOODS ALONG SIDE TOMORROW AND THEY NEED THE MONEY TODAY.DONT WORRY ABOUT HE $20 I DONT NEED IT.WHAT HAPPEN CAN HAPPEN TO ANYBODY.

JUST SEND THE $910 TO THE SHIPPER ADDRESS I GAVE YOU USING WESTERN UNION IN MIN SO THEY CAN GET IT TODAY.

I WILL AWAIT YOUR EMAIL WITH THE DETAILS TODAY.,

Whoa, he's typing in caps now!

 

[DrPizza]

Chances are Grover Reese has been scammed too. However, your address doesn't exist. You may want to check on USPS, and the little Find a Zip Code on the upper left tab first before hunting down a personal army.

Have you any info on a Nigerian being arrested over scamming money?

Didn't think so.

I didn't get the last part though, are you running this through your insurance agent as a claim? That's fucked up.

Of course I'm not running anything through insurance. That's the next part of the story I'm going to give him.

As far as Nigerian scammers being arrested? What rock have you been sleeping under?
http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/419-nigerian-scammer-arrested-with-45-million/
There have been a LOT of them arrested in the last year or so. Plus, Nigeria is pretty pissed about the bad name the scammers are creating for their country.

 

[BoomerD]

So...a couple of questions for ya Doc...

First, did the check actually clear the bank, or is that just part of your "scamming the scammer?"

Next, have you informed him yet that he has given you an incorrect address?
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q...B3GGLL_enUS390US391&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Since he's given you an address that doesn't exist, shouldn't you send him money that doesn't exist as well?

 

[dfuze]

He doesn't care if he gives you a bum address because the "beauty" of WU is that you can still pick up the money from anywhere as long as you have the MTCN

 

[alkemyst]

Of course I'm not running anything through insurance. That's the next part of the story I'm going to give him.

As far as Nigerian scammers being arrested? What rock have you been sleeping under?
http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/419-nigerian-scammer-arrested-with-45-million/
There have been a LOT of them arrested in the last year or so. Plus, Nigeria is pretty pissed about the bad name the scammers are creating for their country.

Thanks for the popup site (got warnings, no popups)...how the fuck did he have $4.5 million in his POCKETS?

None have been arrested in Nigeria.

 

[alkemyst]

Whoa, he's typing in caps now!

ok

 

[olds]

Pro Tip:
If you stop responding to alkemyst, he'll eventually stop posting.

 

[DrPizza]

Thanks for the popup site (got warnings, no popups)...how the fuck did he have $4.5 million in his POCKETS?

None have been arrested in Nigeria.

You DO live under a rock. Posted over at ArsTechnica last year:

It turns out Nigeria is taking measures to fight Internet scams—law enforcement there has shut down close to a thousand websites and made 18 arrests as part of a new initiative to save the nation's reputation and crack down on Internet scammers. The program, called "Project Eagle Claw," has only just begun, but Nigerian officials expect it to be fully operational in 2010.

I won't give you the link because I have a popup blocker that's pretty good about not wasting my time with meaningless popups, and you apparently don't.

And, no, Boomer, I didn't deposit the money into my bank account. I could have tried, but my llama would have to sign it first.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You DO live under a rock. Posted over at ArsTechnica last year:

I won't give you the link because I have a popup blocker that's pretty good about not wasting my time with meaningless popups, and you apparently don't.

And, no, Boomer, I didn't deposit the money into my bank account. I could have tried, but my llama would have to sign it first.

What, your llama doesn't have his own account? He's not an illegal llama being paid under the table is he?

 

[alkemyst]

lol nigerian's getting arrested...

next up pakistan.

FBI workin' overtime.

 

[DrPizza]

Well, 2 scammers going, using the same story with both. Cliffs are probably sufficient:

*Assistant goofs, sends too much (via bogus check or moneygrams)
*I happily agree to refund the money via western union, as soon as the check clears
*Check clears, that was fast!
*I don't know where there's a western union near me.
*Scammer takes the time to email me a list of all the western unions in my area.
*(Fortunately), I live in the middle of nowhere; only 1 within 10 miles, and believe it or not I find out the next day when "I went there" that they don't do western union any more
*A bit of back and forth to kill time; the distances on the directions the scammer sent are "straight line distances, not driving distances. The 2nd closest Western Union is 45 minutes away!"
*my items were stolen from my yard!
*I want to send them a full refund, plus $10 for their bother via USPS
*Scammer's bank doesn't accept USPS, it's gotta be western union
*I've already purchased USPS Money orders.
*scammer wants me to cancel money orders (I'll get the money back) and go use Western Union

Finally, I get "pissed."

I checked with moneygram. They'll take USPS Money orders for payment. So, I'll ship the money orders to you and you can go to the moneygram store & use the money orders to send a moneygram to yourself. Since you sent me moneygrams originally, I'm sure you have a store near you that sells moneygrams. Then, you'll have the money. I'm a very busy man. It's not my fault that your assistant fucked up. I'm not driving 45 minutes (each way) to go to the Western Union. I'll send you the USPS money orders. I'm sure you can find somewhere to cash them within a 45 minute drive of where you live. There's gotta be a post office somewhere. If I don't hear from you by tomorrow with an address to send the money orders to, then I'm not replying to any more emails. After that, I'll hold on to the money orders for 2 weeks. During that time, the only way you'll get them is to send a self-addressed stamped envelope. Tomorrow is the last day I waste any more of my time by driving to the post office. I'm not wasting an hour and a half of my time driving to and from a tiny town, because with my luck, they too will have stopped doing western union. I don't know their email address at the store, so I can't ask in advance if they're still doing Western Union. And until the damned phone company puts up a new tower, I don't have cell phone service to call them. But, this is getting very irritating. I'm the person who you expect to do all the running around, because someone at your end fucked up. "$20 for gas." Big fucking deal. I make 3 times that much in an hour at my job. An hour and a half of my time is worth $90. You're giving me $20 for gas. That's an insult.


-Ramone

Meh, it hasn't been too exciting, but at least I've wasted at least 15 minutes of the scammer's time. For every 40 people willing to waste a little of the scammer's time, we pretty much eliminate one scammer worth of scamming ability.

 

[MrColin]

I've got one of these guys going right now, he sent me a tracking # for UPS overnight and it was supposed to come yesterday. I checked the tracking on UPS and while it was bound for me, the tracking info said it was intercepted and diverted to Louisville Kentucky. I can only hope this is law enforcement. He wants me to cash the check for $3,491, keep $200 and wire the remainder to some other dude in Omaha.

I'm hoping to work this so I can COD some gold (painted) bricks his way, I might not even paint them first.

I think I will tell him I received the check anyway, but then mishandled the funds (maybe by purchasing gold bricks from some shady dude on my way to western union) or accidentally mailed the funds as a money order to some random address in the town where he said he was located.

 

[Squisher]

Ramone's a playa.

 

[Kev]

It sucks that I don't get these anymore because I would love to mess with these people

 

[alkemyst]

You know if you guys wanted to make a difference getting out and using your fucking cell phones would be a better service.

Just so you know, chances are the guy in Nigeria has far more time to kill in a day...you are just entertaining them more than being a hinderance.