400 Economists, including 5 Nobel laureates, endorse Romney

[the DRIZZLE]

These types of campaigns are always somewhat questionable because the majority of signers are people that you've never heard of, but there are a few very legitimate economists on that list.

 

[trenchfoot]

So I'll keep saying this over and over again in the hopes that it somehow sinks in: The Romney Plan is steeped in the exact same ideology that Bush/Cheney the businessmen-turned-politicians operated, and we all know what happened when these two had a free hand in applying this exact same ideology for the six years they had complete control of the government, the nation's purse strings and the monumental influence that goes with it, along with the two years that Bush/Cheney had playing rear guard for the 1% of folks that got filthy rich or richer while these two profiteers were still in office.

And now these bought and paid for economists are telling us that what was "good sound economic policy" from 2000-2008 is now also good for fixing what helped cause the freak'in economic debacle we're still in the thralls of experiencing?

These expert "impartial" "fair and blanced" economists should try selling me the mining rights to the Moon and Mars while they're at it.

 

[mect]

Five nobel Laureates equates to just over 10% of US economists to ever receive a Nobel prize. I find that pretty impressive personally. Hopefully it will encourage other economists to be more vocal about their perspectives on the different policies.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Wow, so these guys support their buddies on the right? Big surprise. I'm sure they would also support starting a war with Iran as well, afterall what is more profitable than war, right? I don't give a flying fuck what a bunch of propagandists have to say about anything. Tell me 400 brain surgeons support the right and I MIGHT give a shit.

 

[PJABBER]

Five nobel Laureates equates to just over 10% of US economists to ever receive a Nobel prize. I find that pretty impressive personally. Hopefully it will encourage other economists to be more vocal about their perspectives on the different policies.

I was quite impressed by this myself.

What doesn't impress me is the range of commentary in this thread attacking the economists that decided to take such a stand.

"There are not enough of them, more would be more impressive, but will never be enough to impress me."

"They are in the 1%."

"They are sell outs."

"If they represent such and such a percent of all economists, the rest have got to be Obama supporters."

What drivel.

These economists laid out in broad strokes the policy positions of each candidate, highlighting what they believe will work and what hasn't and won't work to kick start and sustain growth in the economy.

Beyond the primary statement in support of Romney's economic plans, there are a number of topics where the group posts additional commentary - Energy, Federal Spending, GDP, Jobs, Regulation, Taxes and Trade.

But the usual suspects here much prefer to shoot the messengers than hear what they have to say.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Over 400 independent economists signed a statement at the website Economists for Romney in support of what they call the Republican presidential candidate's "bold economic plan for America?"http://economistsforromney.com/

What kinds of economists are these? Are these deep thinkers, or are they what economist Paul Craig Roberts refers to as "No-Think" economists? Are they mindless shills who preach free market dogma as though it were a religion?

Did those very same economists also support the Bush economic plan?

Are these the same economists who denounce socialized medicine in spite of the mountain of evidence in favor of it?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

What doesn't impress me is the range of commentary in this thread attacking the economists that decided to take such a stand.

You of course chose to focus on the irrelevant comments that were easy to knock down, while ignoring the most obvious and legitimate argument against this mattering: that 400 economists is less than 3% of those in the profession, and that some percentage of those in any profession are going to support each candidate.

That's intellectually dishonest.

What matters is not that 400 of these guys support Romney. What matters is how many support Romney versus how many support Obama. Until the latter number is known, the former is not really relevant. And you'd have to control for party ID for any of it to matter.

PS In 2008 IIRC economists supported Obama over McCain by a 2+ to 1 margin, and The Economist magazine also endorsed him. But it's still 2.5 months to the election, and so they haven't said whom they are going with yet this time around.

 

[zsdersw]

Very much so.

Because he disagrees with you?

 

[soulcougher73]

People with money like Romney, go figure.

This. OMG all these people that would benefit from a lower tax rate on the top support this. Say it aint to.

Hey did you know the sky was blue?

 

[soulcougher73]

Why the fuck would anyone, even a Democrat, trust an economist that was poor?

Why the fuck would anyone, even a Republican, trust an economist that was rich and looking out for his own interests?

Conflict if interests much?

 

[soulcougher73]

How can they endorse Romney's plan when Mitt won't give any details?

Plus even if he did how could you know he wasnt going to flip flop?

 

[hal2kilo]

Yet more propaganda blog spew. Yawn.

 

[piasabird]

Obama can not even get a budget put together. He knows how to spend money, but he does not know how to say no unless it is something a republican wants.

It is time to tare up the credit cards.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Obama can not even get a budget put together. He knows how to spend money, but he does not know how to say no unless it is something a republican wants.

It is time to tare up the credit cards.

lmao It's time to go back to Elementary School.

 

[PJABBER]

lmao It's time to go back to Elementary School.

Maybe he meant it in the original sense of the word -

Tare ( /ˈtɛər/), from the Middle French word tare "wastage in goods, deficiency, imperfection" (15c.), from Italian tara, from Arabic tarah, lit. "thing deducted or rejected," from taraha "to reject"

BTW, you are coming off as an ass that doesn't much address the substance of any topic, but instead wastes spewage on pointing out typos, rendering gratuitous insults and such.

Is this deliberate on your part or something you cannot control?

If it is involuntary, you have our sympathy. If not, not so much.

()

 

[Charles Kozierok]

BTW, you are coming off as an ass that doesn't much address the substance of any topic, but instead wastes spewage on pointing out typos, rendering gratuitous insults and such.

If you care so much about substance, why do you keep avoiding the legitimate arguments against the significance of this endorsement?

 

[PJABBER]

If you care so much about substance, why do you keep avoiding the legitimate arguments against the significance of this endorsement?

I do not know who Pr0d1gy has endorsed, but I doubt I would consider it significant in any way.

I am sure there would be legitimate arguments to be made against his endorsement, but perhaps he should make himself clearer on what that is first.

 

[OrByte]

Mitt has not released any economic plan...he has only released his idea of what an economic plan should do in order to improve the economy

is that what 3% of the countries economists are endorsing?

Frankly, I'd expect a higher number of economic endorsements for Mitt...shrug

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I do not know who Pr0d1gy has endorsed, but I doubt I would consider it significant in any way.

I am sure there would be legitimate arguments to be made against his endorsement, but perhaps he should make himself clearer on what that is first.

Okay, so you're not actually interested in discussing this issue at all. You're just another propagandist.

 

[blackangst1]

You have great taste in coffee PJABBER! I order from Batdorf's about every month, and prefer their Sumatra roast. I lived in Olympia when Dancing Goats opened on 4th ave, and although the shop was filled with "greeners" they had a great idea. Then when Batdorf opened on Capitol Way downtown, that became my hangout

Ahem. Sorry to derail the thread

 

[Jaskalas]

None of this matters. We have two choices and both have no idea what we need and consequently propose non-solutions. It's just a matter of who sucks less. Obama is either psychologically tied to The Party Line of programs as solutions or not all that bright. Romney wants no strings attached to tax relief when it's self evident that THE motivation of corporations is not to the benefit of the citizen at large but to maximize profits. Since no one has bothered to increase boardroom accountability or tackle outsourcing it will free up money to send to cheap labor overseas. The later is crony capitalism and the former clueless. But thats what we asked for, a duopoly of long outdated policies and greed with a huge helping of hubris.

I do not know what is worse. That you said it, or that I agree with you.

 

[PJABBER]

You have great taste in coffee PJABBER! I order from Batdorf's about every month, and prefer their Sumatra roast. I lived in Olympia when Dancing Goats opened on 4th ave, and although the shop was filled with "greener" they had a great idea. Then when Batdorf opened on Capitol Way downtown, that became my hangout

Ahem. Sorry to derail the thread

Derailment welcome. Just the regular backbiting on the forum today anyway.

I think this is the third batch of Dancing Goats I have ordered. Good stuff, for sure. Any comments on the Vesuvio blend? One of these days I would like to sample some at the source, you are lucky to be so close by!

I go through a pound or so a month and almost always get mine mail order from different roasters. I used to be very active on CoffeeGeek.com, and still go there to see what's up. CoffeeReview.com is another good source of recommendations.

Next month I am likely going with George Howell again @ Terroir Coffee. I have had lots of his selections and most have been really good. After that I may go with a Klatch selection to bring it back to the Left Coast.

I have a 100% Spanish setup, run my espresso shots through an Expobar Pulser and do my grind on a Cunill Tranquilo. Tried my hand at doing my own roasting but realized I would rather have more variety, less work and more time to just enjoy!

 

[IAteYourMother]

politics and economics, how quaint. The Nobel prize only matters when they agree with you. See Diamond, Peter and Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

 

[hal2kilo]

Economists for Romney is an independent, voluntary association of economists who support Governor Romney’s economic plan for America. Economists for Romney is not an official arm of the 2012 Mitt Romney campaign, nor does it accept dues, fees, donations, or contributions.

Still looking for that independent "Economists for Obama" group.

Still looking...

Still looking...

:hmm:

If you think that's an independent group, you're dumber that I thought possible.

But, sadly I know your not dumb, just a stooge.

 

[PJABBER]

If you think that's an independent group, you're dumber that I thought possible.

But, sadly I know your not dumb, just a stooge.

If I am Moe and you are Larry and Pr0d1gy is Curly, does this make Charles Shemp?

Coitanly! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!