RabidMongoose
Lifer
Teachers aren't overpaid, but most of them are not severely underpaid at all IMO.
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$40,000 starting salary for teachers.
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WhiteKnight
Platinum Member
If you count the cost of living difference though... That's crazy that school coaches get paid more than teachers, but like you said, it's Texas.
doubt it. The first year is harder because you have to plan the year, but after that you just use the same plan over and over until you get transfered to a new grade.
you get in at 6:45-7 and leave at 3:30. longer if you want to help out with after school sports and stuff. might have a parent teacher thing once in a while. monthly meetings with other teachers and stuff. summers off. tests can be scantron. might have to read a lot if you give out term papers.
45K or whatever they get paid is enough. but 25K the teachers get in texas is not even close.
the teachers in the suburbs where I grew up in nothern NJ always compained about how little they were getting paid. 60-80K is plenty for someone who gets the summers off.
if you become a teacher you shouldn't complain about the pay. You knew what you were getting into, and if you don't like it you can get a different job.
If you want to get the $100K+ that real teachers (PhD.s at universities) get then you get a PhD. in whatever it is you teach and you produce X amount of published articles or whatever per year.
it is NOT easy to be a good teacher, those who made it look easy were probably the best.
and you do not always make big bucks being a professor. some stay lecturers forever, making piddly amounts of money because schools won't tenure them. coupled with the research and the kiss ass students who only get to know you for a future letter of rec, you should only become a PHD if you enjoy the subject and are willing to write and research always.
lobadobadingdong
Lifer
actually we have a fairly high cost of living here (in my town anyway), a small (<1200sq. ft.) 2 bedroom appartment rents for $550-$700 a month. I never understood how coaches got paid so much my self either, but no wonder why we have a surplus of coaches and a severe lack of teachers, most teachers could make better wages at McD's.
Vic
Elite Member
Only if you foolishly look at the annual salary only. Otherwise, they only work 9 months a year and the benefits and retirement plan are to die for. After retirement, most teacher's pensions are double or more what their salaries were, plus they get to keep full (and usually free) benefits for life. Not paid enough? I don't know of many jobs that pay that well.
DT4K
Diamond Member
I know PERS (Public Employees Retirement System) is out of control here in Oregon, but I think you are exagerating when you say "double or more". There are cases where retirees actually make more than they did while working, but that is not the average. Seems like I read something that said the average PERS retiree in Oregon was getting like 80% of their working salary.
My dad had over 30 years of teaching with his masters and he doesn't make double his final salary. Maybe the people you're hearing about who are making double or more are the people who "double dip" the system. They retire, then get rehired after the "cooling off period" - usually 3 months - and collect a normal salary + their retirement.
My dad could have done that, but he likes his freedom of retirement. He sub-teaches when he wants, which is exactly how he likes it. He could sub every day if he wanted, in that case he'd be making more than his original salary, but he doesn't sub every day.
I hear a lot of teachers talk about the long hours, but when I think about it, my Dad would go in ~7:15, leave at 3:15 every day. He never brought papers home to grade, although he did generate the occasional test at home (mostly to prevent installing his software on an unsecure computer at the school). His former students still rank them as one of their favorite teachers of all time and a year after he retired they tried to get him to come back because the kids missed him so much and the replacement chemistry/phsysics teacher wasn't very good.
DurocShark
Lifer
His name wasn't Andrew, was it? :Q
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patrick409
Senior member
I agree that good teachers dont get paid enough. They should get paid for the positive impact they have on our future generations. I would gladly chip in to supplement a teacher's pay if I knew that my kids were getting a top rate education from a teacher who truly cares. With that said, it's hard to judge what a "good" teacher is, so they're outa luck I guess.
JACKHAMMER
Platinum Member
Amen. I love how people rag on how much teachers get paid. For one, the people who bitch probably couldn't do the job - most people are scared about getting up infront of bog groups. Two, teachers do have a long work day, and although they get 2 months in the summer off, they still probably work out to a more than average 40hr + work week. Third, with all the garbage parents out there who expect teachers to raise their kids, we need someone competent and the more a job pays, the more people apply and it easy to find good teachers.
I have a friend who's a first year teacher. Makes 38k I believe. Goes to work from 7:00-3:15, tuesdays are minimum days, and he has a 2 hour lunch. Tests are made/graded while sipping coffee, watching the game, and once while sharing a 2 player game between 3 people. Tutors students twice a week for additional income. He says it's great, he has basically no pressure or stress.
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JACKHAMMER
Platinum Member
That describes none of the new teachers that I know, sounds like your friend is a little bit of a slacker.
lobadobadingdong
Lifer
hehe 😀
at ucla, its also a six - seven year tenure track. but they emphasize research above all, along with peer evaluations. if you don't research what your peers like, you can easily find yourself out of the tenure track and find your tenure denied. there are some good professors that have been denied tenure because their research was not "what they wanted" even though they were some of the best teachers ever.
they will probably make tenure somewhere else, but its starting over again. its a pain... and the people that are seen as the best, schools will fall over themselves to recruit anyways and bypass the entire tenure track and make them associate profs right off.
From watching my mother teach throughout my lifetime, it's far more difficult than many jobs out there. She was out the door at 7:15 every morning, was at school until at least 6PM every night, and most of her evenings and weekends were taken up by grading, making lesson plans, etc. Her summers, during which she does have some free time, are often spent in workshops, setting up/taking down stuff at school, meetings at the district hq, etc. Anyone who says teachers are overpaid or get paid just enough doesn't know enough about it.
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