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Originally posted by: Amused
Because I, and my employees, have been the victims of many armed robberies in my stores. Criminals are afraid of armed civilians and will avoid them. They favor unarmed victims. Burglars don't want to be threatened, and will flourish in such an atmosphere.

Go ahead and be a sheep. I choose not to be.

Absolutely. There are far too many unarmed, defenseless people out that criminals would rather target than for them to want to get into a shootout with a trained gun owner.
 
Those people shouldn't have had a gun. That's got to be pretty much agreed on by everyone right? To do that, there needs to be some form of control, that means most people can have guns. But people like these cannot. They're just not responsible enough.
 
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
BANG BANG!!!

BANG BANG!!!

kill yourself

reading your posts is a form of slow suicide

well at least its killing you then....

keep posting!!!! maybe i'll die around the time you hit platinum!!!

Yes because "BANG BANG!!! BANG BANG!!!" is far more superior in intelligence...... I really should be taking notes because clearly you are better than I am when it comes to dumbass posts...

 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
The parents left a 7 year old, a 5 year old and a 4 year old home alone??? And they left a loaded, unlocked gun in the home with them???

The parents should be charged with second degree murder.


Littlehouse on the Prairie?


Right. Lock up the kitchen Knives, household chemicals, baseball bats and anything else that may be used to commit harm to another. While you're at it build a room lined with wrestling mats floor to ceiling and lock them in it. We had guns around the house since I can remember, in dads closet, hanging over fireplace etc and never touched them unsupervised and we were all latch-key children. Your plan is exactly what the gungrabbers want eventually charging he manufacturures with murder. Some kids are just fusked in the head accept this and move on but resricting millions of others rights and blaming the already grief stricken parents for murder IMO is a travesty of justice and slipery slope into many other things. What If the kid brought his parents scissors to school and stabbed another student? Murder then?

Bullsh!t. Parents should be charged for the crimes of thier minor children, nomatter if it involves guns, or not. parents should also be charged with neglegencein the injury of their children if they did not take reasonable steps to protect them.

In this case, the parents left a second grader in charge of a 4 and 5 year old. That, my friend, no matter what happened, is neglegence. Since it resulted in the death of a child, it is negelgent homocide.

 
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
BANG BANG!!!

BANG BANG!!!

kill yourself

reading your posts is a form of slow suicide

well at least its killing you then....

keep posting!!!! maybe i'll die around the time you hit platinum!!!

Yes because "BANG BANG!!! BANG BANG!!!" is far more superior in intelligence...... I really should be taking notes because clearly you are better than I am when it comes to dumbass posts...

and "kill yourself" is that much better? I'd rather make dumbass posts than hateful ones, Marty McIdiot
 
Originally posted by: speg
Those people shouldn't have had a gun. That's got to be pretty much agreed on by everyone right? To do that, there needs to be some form of control, that means most people can have guns. But people like these cannot. They're just not responsible enough.

Some people should'nt be allowed to talk. But your freedom to be a nanny, eliteist, do-gooder *is* protected daily ... by the very Constitution you'd willingly shred for an "ounce of security". No thanks. I think everyone should have a gun. But certainly no one should be resricted from having them as it's a civil liberty granted by the const and unaliable right to defend yourself.
 
Originally posted by: speg
Those people shouldn't have had a gun. That's got to be pretty much agreed on by everyone right? To do that, there needs to be some form of control, that means most people can have guns. But people like these cannot. They're just not responsible enough.

The trick is: How do you determine who is "responsible enough?" You cannot. So you create a set of laws punishing irresponsibility and follow through with them. Pair that with extensive education campaigns, and you've done all you can without violating the freedoms of everyone else.
 
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
BANG BANG!!!

BANG BANG!!!

kill yourself

reading your posts is a form of slow suicide

well at least its killing you then....

keep posting!!!! maybe i'll die around the time you hit platinum!!!

Yes because "BANG BANG!!! BANG BANG!!!" is far more superior in intelligence...... I really should be taking notes because clearly you are better than I am when it comes to dumbass posts...

and "kill yourself" is that much better? I'd rather make dumbass posts than hateful ones, Marty McIdiot

Considering Mercenary4Hire has a picture with a guy handing out a gun and bullets and many others on this board say Kill yourself, i thought i might as well conform for once and say it... Perhaps you would have read those but i forgot, your head is shoved way too far up your ass...
 
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
BANG BANG!!!

BANG BANG!!!

kill yourself

reading your posts is a form of slow suicide

well at least its killing you then....

keep posting!!!! maybe i'll die around the time you hit platinum!!!

Yes because "BANG BANG!!! BANG BANG!!!" is far more superior in intelligence...... I really should be taking notes because clearly you are better than I am when it comes to dumbass posts...

and "kill yourself" is that much better? I'd rather make dumbass posts than hateful ones, Marty McIdiot

Considering Mercenary4Hire has a picture with a guy handing out a gun and bullets and many others on this board say Kill yourself, i thought i might as well conform for once and say it... Perhaps you would have read those but i forgot, your head is shoved way too far up your ass...

so conformity is your justification for saying such a thing? good one. I'd rather hand your kids loaded guns than say something like that.
 
People talking isn't going to kill anyone.

How do you determine if someone if responible? I don't know, and that is the roadblock here. Maybe requiring a test/course or something before you are able to have a gun? I dunno, we're able to go to the moon, so we should be able to figure something out!
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
The parents left a 7 year old, a 5 year old and a 4 year old home alone??? And they left a loaded, unlocked gun in the home with them???

The parents should be charged with second degree murder.


Littlehouse on the Prairie?


Right. Lock up the kitchen Knives, household chemicals, baseball bats and anything else that may be used to commit harm to another. While you're at it build a room lined with wrestling mats floor to ceiling and lock them in it. We had guns around the house since I can remember, in dads closet, hanging over fireplace etc and never touched them unsupervised and we were all latch-key children. Your plan is exactly what the gungrabbers want eventually charging he manufacturures with murder. Some kids are just fusked in the head accept this and move on but resricting millions of others rights and blaming the already grief stricken parents for murder IMO is a travesty of justice and slipery slope into many other things. What If the kid brought his parents scissors to school and stabbed another student? Murder then?

Bullsh!t. Parents should be charged for the crimes of thier minor children, nomatter if it involves guns, or not. parents should also be charged with neglegencein the injury of their children if they did not take reasonable steps to protect them.

In this case, the parents left a second grader in charge of a 4 and 5 year old. That, my friend, no matter what happened, is neglegence. Since it resulted in the death of a child, it is negelgent homocide.


How that 7 year old baby sitter supposed to shoot the next child abductor that comes into thier home if the guns are locked up?
 
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
BANG BANG!!!

BANG BANG!!!

kill yourself

reading your posts is a form of slow suicide

well at least its killing you then....

keep posting!!!! maybe i'll die around the time you hit platinum!!!

Yes because "BANG BANG!!! BANG BANG!!!" is far more superior in intelligence...... I really should be taking notes because clearly you are better than I am when it comes to dumbass posts...

and "kill yourself" is that much better? I'd rather make dumbass posts than hateful ones, Marty McIdiot

Considering Mercenary4Hire has a picture with a guy handing out a gun and bullets and many others on this board say Kill yourself, i thought i might as well conform for once and say it... Perhaps you would have read those but i forgot, your head is shoved way too far up your ass...

so conformity is your justification for saying such a thing? good one. I'd rather hand your kids loaded guns than say something like that.

Ah but you are forgetting... im conforming to stupidity.... you saying BANG BANG!!! which is NOT contributing anything closely worthwile to this thread at all are showing us your own TRUE stupidity.... If you want to relate our stupidity towards guns (which makes a WHOLE helluva lotta sense by the way) id be the guy who shoots cans for no reason on a saturday night, you would be the guy who shot himself in the head while cleaning out the gun because you left a bullet in the chamber....
 
Originally posted by: speg
People talking isn't going to kill anyone.

How do you determine if someone if responible? I don't know, and that is the roadblock here. Maybe requiring a test/course or something before you are able to have a gun? I dunno, we're able to go to the moon, so we should be able to figure something out!

We require a test/course for driving. How is that working out?
rolleye.gif


At any rate, you cannot require a test for someone to enjoy their Constitutional rights.

And if speech doesn't kill, why were Tom Metzger and his skinheads sued into bankrupcy for the death of an Oregon black man?
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
The parents left a 7 year old, a 5 year old and a 4 year old home alone??? And they left a loaded, unlocked gun in the home with them???

The parents should be charged with second degree murder.


Littlehouse on the Prairie?


Right. Lock up the kitchen Knives, household chemicals, baseball bats and anything else that may be used to commit harm to another. While you're at it build a room lined with wrestling mats floor to ceiling and lock them in it. We had guns around the house since I can remember, in dads closet, hanging over fireplace etc and never touched them unsupervised and we were all latch-key children. Your plan is exactly what the gungrabbers want eventually charging he manufacturures with murder. Some kids are just fusked in the head accept this and move on but resricting millions of others rights and blaming the already grief stricken parents for murder IMO is a travesty of justice and slipery slope into many other things. What If the kid brought his parents scissors to school and stabbed another student? Murder then?

Bullsh!t. Parents should be charged for the crimes of thier minor children, nomatter if it involves guns, or not. parents should also be charged with neglegencein the injury of their children if they did not take reasonable steps to protect them.

In this case, the parents left a second grader in charge of a 4 and 5 year old. That, my friend, no matter what happened, is neglegence. Since it resulted in the death of a child, it is negelgent homocide.


How that 7 year old baby sitter supposed to shoot the next child abductor that comes into thier home if the guns are locked up?

No 7 year old should be left as a babysitter. Period.
 
I had a gun pulled on me a few times. Once was because I unknowingly startled a business owner that had been robbed one too many times. He was trained though and, seeing that I was not a threat, quickly lowered his weapon. The other time was by a maniac who probably had no qualms about killing anyone. But after both incidents I still strongly believe in an individual's right to bear arms.

My daughter's father is a hunter. He has guns and my daughter knows about them and is even going to be trained how to use them and what gun safety is all about. That will only be under strict supervision from him or her uncles or grandfather. At all times, his weapons are locked up tightly in a place that can not be accessed by her.

Personally, as a victim of a violent crime(since the defense issue is a big one), I don't think that having a gun around is a bad idea for people that know how to use them. I would be worthless with one because I'm not trained and a perp could easily get the gun away from me and use it against me instead.

As for using a knife or a baseball bat...it's a good idea, but I just wouldn't want someone to get that close to me for me to be effective with those particular weapons. Apparently the parents in that case were not trained on gun safety OR they chose to ignore it. They paid the price and that's tragic. But not all gun owners should be punished for one couple's stupidity.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
The parents left a 7 year old, a 5 year old and a 4 year old home alone??? And they left a loaded, unlocked gun in the home with them???

The parents should be charged with second degree murder.


Littlehouse on the Prairie?


Right. Lock up the kitchen Knives, household chemicals, baseball bats and anything else that may be used to commit harm to another. While you're at it build a room lined with wrestling mats floor to ceiling and lock them in it. We had guns around the house since I can remember, in dads closet, hanging over fireplace etc and never touched them unsupervised and we were all latch-key children. Your plan is exactly what the gungrabbers want eventually charging he manufacturures with murder. Some kids are just fusked in the head accept this and move on but resricting millions of others rights and blaming the already grief stricken parents for murder IMO is a travesty of justice and slipery slope into many other things. What If the kid brought his parents scissors to school and stabbed another student? Murder then?

Bullsh!t. Parents should be charged for the crimes of thier minor children, nomatter if it involves guns, or not. parents should also be charged with neglegencein the injury of their children if they did not take reasonable steps to protect them.

In this case, the parents left a second grader in charge of a 4 and 5 year old. That, my friend, no matter what happened, is neglegence. Since it resulted in the death of a child, it is negelgent homocide.


How that 7 year old baby sitter supposed to shoot the next child abductor that comes into thier home if the guns are locked up?

No 7 year old should be left as a babysitter. Period.

Depends on the 7 year old. My point was children need the guns more than anyone so locking them up is stupid. So 21 is your age for bieng left home alone?
 
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Ah but you are forgetting... im conforming to stupidity.... you saying BANG BANG!!! which is NOT contributing anything closely worthwile to this thread at all are showing us your own TRUE stupidity.... If you want to relate our stupidity towards guns (which makes a WHOLE helluva lotta sense by the way) id be the guy who shoots cans for no reason on a saturday night, you would be the guy who shot himself in the head while cleaning out the gun because you left a bullet in the chamber....

It seems more like you're reacting to my "stupidity" by actually conforming to hatefulness. More like you'd stoop to "my level" by retaliating the way you did. Now Obi Wan would say "Who's more the fool? The fool or the one who follows the fool?" If I'm the said "fool" then congratulations, you followed me in. My goal of turning perfectly fine people into blabbing, bitching little jerks for if not just 20 minutes of my Sunday is complete. So keep your arrogant intelligence and the false sense that you actually belong to this forum community, I'm happy knowing I do not contain such self absorbed thoughts.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Amused
The parents left a 7 year old, a 5 year old and a 4 year old home alone??? And they left a loaded, unlocked gun in the home with them???

The parents should be charged with second degree murder.


Littlehouse on the Prairie?


Right. Lock up the kitchen Knives, household chemicals, baseball bats and anything else that may be used to commit harm to another. While you're at it build a room lined with wrestling mats floor to ceiling and lock them in it. We had guns around the house since I can remember, in dads closet, hanging over fireplace etc and never touched them unsupervised and we were all latch-key children. Your plan is exactly what the gungrabbers want eventually charging he manufacturures with murder. Some kids are just fusked in the head accept this and move on but resricting millions of others rights and blaming the already grief stricken parents for murder IMO is a travesty of justice and slipery slope into many other things. What If the kid brought his parents scissors to school and stabbed another student? Murder then?

Bullsh!t. Parents should be charged for the crimes of thier minor children, nomatter if it involves guns, or not. parents should also be charged with neglegencein the injury of their children if they did not take reasonable steps to protect them.

In this case, the parents left a second grader in charge of a 4 and 5 year old. That, my friend, no matter what happened, is neglegence. Since it resulted in the death of a child, it is negelgent homocide.


How that 7 year old baby sitter supposed to shoot the next child abductor that comes into thier home if the guns are locked up?

No 7 year old should be left as a babysitter. Period.

Depends on the 7 year old. My point was children need the guns more than anyone so locking them up is stupid. So 21 is your age for bieng left home alone?

No, I would say mid to late teens and THEN, it depends on the maturity of the child.
 
Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: Amused

A silly belief.

Well.



DaiShan: I threat a burgler with my hands(NO weapon at all) and you threat him with a gun, I'm wondering who will get shot first, who will freak out earlier. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth was cool back with the Neanderthalers.

To believe an inanimate object is evil is silly.

If you threaten an armed burglar, it will not matter if you are armed or not. They will not be "sporting" and meet your challenge in kind. They will use whatever they have to fight you off. If they have a gun, they will use it whether you are armed, or not. You have a very unrealsitic view of how criminals act.

It's not like I'm running around and propagating that guns are EVIL but you get the point. Guess what? I wouldn't threat the burglar at ALL. Most criminals are not pros. They are afraid to use their weapon and when they are under pressure, I'm sure they use it more like when they're not under pressure. How come that you have such a realistic view of how criminals act?

Because I, and my employees, have been the victims of many armed robberies in my stores. Criminals are afraid of armed civilians and will avoid them. They favor unarmed victims. Burglars don't want to be threatened, and will flourish in such an atmosphere.

Go ahead and be a sheep. I choose not to be.

I would be a sheep and let the police deal with it. If someone threatens you with his bare-hands and someone with a gun, which person would you shoot first?

anyway, I'm going to sleep now. Nice evening 🙂

ndee, dude, you sound like a complete wuss!!! You have no point to make. You should have just shut up before you made yourself sound like an idiot. All this talk about a burglar not wanting to hurt someone? You really have a skewed way of looking at things. I believe that if a burglar is willing to break into someones house, he would be willing to do anything to get what he's there for. You talk about a burglar breaking into a home and threatening the homeowner? Well, the burglar breaking in IS a threat, whether he knows you're there or not. You don't know what they are there to do, do you? I tell you what? You come and break into my home and we'll see what happens. I'm happy to have my guns. And yes, I've got 2 children in my home. And yes, I have the right, brought forth by my fore fathers, to defend my life, my home, my property, and my children and I would proudly do it if I ever had to. Someone in an earlier post said it best, if we lay down when confronted by burglars, which is what you are asking us to do, it would be a hayday for burglars all around. What would prevent them from doing this crime all the time if they know there's not threat in doing so? IDIOT!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Ah but you are forgetting... im conforming to stupidity.... you saying BANG BANG!!! which is NOT contributing anything closely worthwile to this thread at all are showing us your own TRUE stupidity.... If you want to relate our stupidity towards guns (which makes a WHOLE helluva lotta sense by the way) id be the guy who shoots cans for no reason on a saturday night, you would be the guy who shot himself in the head while cleaning out the gun because you left a bullet in the chamber....

It seems more like you're reacting to my "stupidity" by actually conforming to hatefulness. More like you'd stoop to "my level" by retaliating the way you did. Now Obi Wan would say "Who's more the fool? The fool or the one who follows the fool?" If I'm the said "fool" then congratulations, you followed me in. My goal of turning perfectly fine people into blabbing, bitching little jerks for if not just 20 minutes of my Sunday is complete. So keep your arrogant intelligence and the false sense that you actually belong to this forum community, I'm happy knowing I do not contain such self absorbed thoughts.

So now you are saying im outcasted from the forums for pointing out that BANG BANG has absolutely no relevance to this thread... I weep for you...
 
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