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Bateluer said:
Fixing a lawn mower doesn't require years of dedicated training and experience. If you think these people got out of bed a week ago, read a pamphlet on climbing, then flew to Nepal, you're delusional.
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Nowadays you never know. I remember seeing a reality show/documentary following an expedition team where one of the clients couldn't even put her crampons correctly.

Into Thin Air would be a good read for those who are interested in Everest and mountaineering.
 
Ns1 said:
dude, one of the chicks who died actually has a webpage

http://myeverestexpedition.com/about.php

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And that doesn't really support, debunk, or defend either position at the moment. 😛

I can watch a couple YouTube videos and learn how to repair most faults in a lawn mower in an afternoon.
 
The climb to the peak took longer than expected because there were so many mountaineers scrambling to reach the top Saturday. Spending extra time in the “death zone,” a treacherous area of extreme altitude, took a toll on Ms. Shah-Klorfine’s body, but she made it to the summit.

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Nepal officials told the Associated Press a similar rush up the world’s tallest peak will begin again soon, with about 200 climbers expected to attempt to scale Everest between Friday and Sunday “The climbers have received the permits to climb within specific dates. We cannot say who gets to get to the summit on which dates because of the unpredictable weather. When weather clears up they all want to benefit,” Nepal Tourism Ministry spokesman, Bal Krishna Ghimire told AP.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-turn-back-because-of-fatigue/article2440017/


so this is now a tourist attraction...She has never climbed a mountain before...
 
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jiggyest said:
Into Thin Air would be a good read for those who are interested in Everest and mountaineering.
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Good book about climbing Everest and the tourism side associated with it.


grohl said:
As a moderately experienced backpacker and beginner mountaineer, I understand the need to do something spectacular. Climbing gets in your blood, and the adrenaline is out of this world.
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That it does. I love getting out climbing. More for the skiing down part (ski mountaineering for me) than climbing up but it is fun to be with friends out climbing. I have no desire to do the high altitude (nor funds) but climbing up chutes and other fun terrain is something ill continue to do.

As fr dieing while doing it. Actually had a talk with my dad and all he said is he would rather see me die doing something i enjoy than stay at home doing nothing or die by going out drinking all the time. Basically just rather i have fun and do what i love than not do it. Even my gf feels the same way (and she comes along on some climbs) Of course children complicate it a bit.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
That used to be true. Now it's pretty much just tourism. The Sherpas lug up the equipment, the Sherpas set ladders over the crevasses and affix safety ropes. The Sherpas carry up the oxygen bottles. The Sherpas make the camp and cook the food. The "climbers" walk on a marked, sanitized trail. And the comments are right. Thanks to tour operators and bottled oxygen that type of mountain climbing is just a hobby for bored rich people.
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Ice and snow is sanitized? Adverse weather conditions/storms can occur quickly. Sorry but you need to know what you're doing and be in condition to perform the hike.

And getting a PhD would be easier for many people than climbing Mt. Everest.
 
velillen said:
Good book about climbing Everest and the tourism side associated with it.




That it does. I love getting out climbing. More for the skiing down part (ski mountaineering for me) than climbing up but it is fun to be with friends out climbing. I have no desire to do the high altitude (nor funds) but climbing up chutes and other fun terrain is something ill continue to do.

As fr dieing while doing it. Actually had a talk with my dad and all he said is he would rather see me die doing something i enjoy than stay at home doing nothing or die by going out drinking all the time. Basically just rather i have fun and do what i love than not do it. Even my gf feels the same way (and she comes along on some climbs) Of course children complicate it a bit.
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I enjoy hookers and blow, does that count?
 
Capt Caveman said:
Ice and snow is sanitized? Adverse weather conditions/storms can occur quickly. Sorry but you need to know what you're doing and be in condition to perform the hike.

And getting a PhD would be easier for many people than climbing Mt. Everest.
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Yes, ice and snow is sanitized. It's sanitized because the Sherpas go in first to affix safety ropes and ladders. Do you even watch the documentaries on the tourism of Everest? There's not a single inch of that trip that is not prepared to take the real climbing aspect out of it. People are not dying now because it's too hard a climb, they're dying because it's too damn easy. There are too many overweight middle-aged bankers and dentists clogging the routes up because all they have to do is pay and pretty much be molly-coddled all the way into the death zone. Then there are too many people to make it over the ladders and bottlenecks and people are staying there too long.

How extreme a sport is it if you can't complete a summit attempt solely because a bunch of housewives from New Jersey are in line ahead of you? Do you understand that simple concept? The routes up are too crowded because too many people can get there too easily. Take away the Sherpas doing the real work and get rid of the package tours that sanitize, yes, sanitize, the snow and ice and force people to actually "climb" the mountain and the problem will go away because all these people will drop out long before they get to the point where they overcrowd the trails.
 
Epic fail on two counts.

#1 she failed to win against Mt. Everest, so now she ends up frozen corpse, a new trophy for Everest to show off to the rest of the tourists.

#2 She failed her husband/family by putting up the house they had into big time negative equity. Banks win.

Lamba said Shah-Klorfine mortgaged her house to pay for the Everest expedition, at a cost of nearly $100,000.
 
If you want to read the definitive account of the deadliest season in the history of Mt. Everest, read the book "Into Thin Air" by John Krakauer. You'll hardly be able to put the book down.
 
Yes, Everest has been made easy to summit in recent years, but it's FAR from the easy walk that some in this thread are implying it is. It's extremely difficult.

There are "traffic jams" at certain points because the weather is so unpredictable, but this isn't Los Angeles rush hour traffic. On Everest a traffic jam can involved just a couple of groups. These trails make "passing" very treacherous.

For those that mentioned litter, this has been cleaned up GREATLY in recent years - and still continues. I have a friend that just came back from hiking Everest Base Camp and he said that litter is nearly non-existent (unlike other places in Nepal).
 
DougK62 said:
Yes, Everest has been made easy to summit in recent years, but it's FAR from the easy walk that some in this thread are implying it is. It's extremely difficult.

There are "traffic jams" at certain points because the weather is so unpredictable, but this isn't Los Angeles rush hour traffic. On Everest a traffic jam can involved just a couple of groups. These trails make "passing" very treacherous.

For those that mentioned litter, this has been cleaned up GREATLY in recent years - and still continues. I have a friend that just came back from hiking Everest Base Camp and he said that litter is nearly non-existent (unlike other places in Nepal).
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I take it from where it comes from. For some of the detractors, the extent of their exercise is reaching for a mountain dew with one hand and a bag of cheetos with another. Coincidentally, the only other exercise they get turns their penis a bright orange.

I've watched many documentaries, and one statement made by a mountaineer spoke to how the sherpas made him look like nothing, so he felt his accomplishment meant nothing.

I for one could find a lot of fun in 60k vacation wise and not use it on a mountain. Just not my bag.
 
DougK62 said:
For those that mentioned litter, this has been cleaned up GREATLY in recent years - and still continues. I have a friend that just came back from hiking Everest Base Camp and he said that litter is nearly non-existent (unlike other places in Nepal).
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That's really good to hear. It was looking like a junkyard up there.
 
Markbnj said:
That's really good to hear. It was looking like a junkyard up there.
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whoa, this sht forreal?

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GagHalfrunt said:
Yes, ice and snow is sanitized. It's sanitized because the Sherpas go in first to affix safety ropes and ladders. Do you even watch the documentaries on the tourism of Everest? There's not a single inch of that trip that is not prepared to take the real climbing aspect out of it. People are not dying now because it's too hard a climb, they're dying because it's too damn easy.
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You are confusing accessible with easy. It is far more accessible now than in the past, but even with sherpas fixing ropes and hauling supplies, it is in no way easy.
 
DougK62 said:
There are "traffic jams" at certain points because the weather is so unpredictable, but this isn't Los Angeles rush hour traffic. On Everest a traffic jam can involved just a couple of groups. These trails make "passing" very treacherous.
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I wouldnt really say weather causes traffic jams (well it can to be fair) but rather just the amount of people and the fact certain portions you can only have 1 person going at a time (Hillary step) and that can take 15-20 minutes per a person. Like in 1996 where they had like 10 people waiting to go up the Step and people trying to come down and everyone had to wait around. Didnt have to do with the weather other than the fact it was good enough weather to summit.
 
Hugo Drax said:
Why not create a pressurised shaft to the top of everest and have a motorized lift so people can just go to the top and back down.
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I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that its on the way down that people tend to get into trouble (because they left it too late to reach the summit). So perhaps some sort of enclosed slide to be used to shoot rapidly to the bottom would be in order? I guess a water slide would freeze up, which is a shame as it would be awesome.

Or some sort of giant catapult/parachute combo?
 
pmv said:
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that its on the way down that people tend to get into trouble (because they left it too late to reach the summit). So perhaps some sort of enclosed slide to be used to shoot rapidly to the bottom would be in order? I guess a water slide would freeze up, which is a shame as it would be awesome.

Or some sort of giant catapult/parachute combo?
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How 'bout Paragliding? http://www.xcmag.com/2011/05/babu-sunuwar-flies-off-everest/

From the articles I've read, they make it seem like that one lady (Shriya?) just didn't have the training nor experience to be attempting an Everest climb. This is dangerous not only to herself but to other mountaineers during the climb.
 
Triumph said:
Your requirements for doing something spectacular are pretty goddamn high if climbing Mount Everest doesn't count. What have you done in your life that you would consider spectacular? Got married? Had children? Just like 3 billion other people? Maybe you've gotten a PhD in Neurobiology, just like 7 or 8 million other people. Maybe you're part of the 1%, which is still 3 million people. Or maybe less grand, you're probably very proud of that time you built a model airplane or that after-work softball league trophy that you won...well stop the presses, what we have here is someone who has accomplished a lot in life! You are an example of someone who has grabbed life by the horns and not taken anything for granted, just like 2 or 3 billion other people on the planet.

On the other hand, there have been 3,000 people to climb Mount Everest...ever.
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Triumph said:
Here's the problem I have with your argument. You appear to be one of the types who makes themselves feel better about your own accomplishments by discrediting the accomplishments of others. Climbing Mount Everest is definitely more physically and mentally demanding than say, running a marathon, or hiking through the grand canyon, or hiking the appalachian trail, or whatever. All activities that someone you know would probably like to do, or has done. And how the fuck do you treat those people? If your brother told you he just ran a marathon, would you tell him, "So fucking what?" Your buddy just gets back from a trip to the Amazon, what do you tell him? "Ohh big fucking deal, buddy has money for a plane ticket and a tour guide, good for him!" Honestly, you would tear down these people with insults? Start telling them that they have serious self worth issues because of their need to conquer obstacles? Telling them that what they did wasn't even very hard to do in the first place? I think you would, because if you're willing to say those things to the face of someone who has climbed 29,000 feet in the air, spent a month or more in sub zero temperatures while deprived of oxygen, then you have some SERIOUS self worth issues.
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Okay there dude...


Going with the "meh" on this one. People in OP died going to a really high place so... they could brag and feel good about themselves. Yay?
 
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