4 degrees warming "likely" without CO2 cuts-study

[PingSpike]

Can't wait. I'm freezing my ass off. I'm not looking forward to the bugs though.

 

[Patranus]

LOL - Liberals can't get their stories straight...

Newsweek 1975: Scientists Predict Massive Global Cooling
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

...I guess they have to justify their existence by changing their story.

 

[OCGuy]

Nostradamus they are not.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: ericlp
Makes me wonder why people here are still convinced GW is still a hoax and man has nothing to do with it.

Everyone knows it's warming, however .7 C is well below past natural variation.

Just because someone releases a study saying it will warm 15 degrees in 40 years doesn't mean it will happen. They always make sure the time scales for their calculations are long enough so they have time to come up with an excuse when it ends up increasing only another .7 C (or not at all).

Not to mention it has been an incredibly COLD year. People say "well that's weather, not climate" but around the GLOBE this year has been far colder than average and the last few years averaged out have been outside of projections and much cooler than first thought. So when does this "weather" become "climate" I'm wondering.

on course to crush the average temperature record for september this month where i live

 

[yllus]

Woo, a warmer Canada.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Patranus
LOL - Liberals can't get their stories straight...

Newsweek 1975: Scientists Predict Massive Global Cooling
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

...I guess they have to justify their existence by changing their story.

global cooling never had much of a scientific basis, and i was recently watching a 1980's science show that was talking about global warming inspite of the cooling nonsense

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Patranus
LOL - Liberals can't get their stories straight...

Newsweek 1975: Scientists Predict Massive Global Cooling
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

...I guess they have to justify their existence by changing their story.

global cooling never had much of a scientific basis, and i was recently watching a 1980's science show that was talking about global warming inspite of the cooling nonsense

Global Warming is just a ploy by scientists and researchers who have a vested interest in promoting it to get additional funding and to promote their 'green' companies like selling carbon credits. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

 

[Elias824]

r dream of cold fusion, unlimited clNot that I don't believe GW exists, but alot of these reports tend to post the highest possible amount just for the extra attention, humanity is obsessed with the end of the world. The real question is, what is the best way to combat this that wont devastate are way of life. What ever happened to cold fusion, unlimited clean cheap energy, it would completely change the world.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Patranus
LOL - Liberals can't get their stories straight...

Newsweek 1975: Scientists Predict Massive Global Cooling
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

...I guess they have to justify their existence by changing their story.

Hahahaha, this attempt to deflect and distort never gets any less laughably wrong. Now I know Newsweek is a highly respected climate science journal and all, but the actual opinion of scientists at the time of the article's publishing was that we didn't have enough information to understand what was going on with the climate and that the issue required more research. In addition, many of the papers at the time expressed concern (that turned out to be totally right) that we were headed for a period of significant man influenced warming.

Of course you probably already knew this and you were just trying to make yet another dishonest post. Shocking.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who's ass exactly do they pull these numbers from? 2050? They can't tell is what the general climate will be in 2015.

You're part of a rapidly shrinking minority, a minority which you'll soon abandon.

I will never abandon a group of people who challenge those with agendas and terrible, demonstrably pathetic track records when those expect something of me.

Your assumption that most of us who believe that anthropogenic climate change is real and substantial have "agendas and terrible, demonstrably pathetic track records" is baseless.

Of course there are climate-change extremists. There are also anti-climate-change extremists. Both groups are small minorities, and by and large they are not a part of the scientific community.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Patranus
LOL - Liberals can't get their stories straight...

Newsweek 1975: Scientists Predict Massive Global Cooling
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

...I guess they have to justify their existence by changing their story.

global cooling never had much of a scientific basis, and i was recently watching a 1980's science show that was talking about global warming inspite of the cooling nonsense

Global Warming is just a ploy by scientists and researchers who have a vested interest in promoting it to get additional funding and to promote their 'green' companies like selling carbon credits. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Scientists who hold the opposite opinion can get PLENTY of funding from the energy companies, so that theory is patently absurd.

As to your "green company" claim, please provide us with evidence that a substantial percentage of scientists who do climate research and who produce data supporting anthropogenic climate change have financial interests in such companies. Anecdotal evidence of individual scientists with such interests is NOT valid.

 

[imported_inspire]

A global average increase of 4 degrees masked higher regional increases, including more than 15 degrees warmer temperatures in parts of the Arctic, and up to 10 degrees higher in western and southern Africa, Monday's study found.

'Mask-ed'? As in past tense? The article made very clear that the report predicts this 4 degree change almost 50 years in the future. That's quite an editorial oversight there.

It's hard to fathom that global warming will, due to post-industrial anthropegenic factors, outpace the 20th century, by over four-fold in only half as much time. I understand that carbon is sequestered in certain places, but no mention was made of the feedback forces that balance them, like the increase of solubility of CO2 in water that comes of warming.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Solution: Nuclear Power

Except these same liberals keep holding back progress on nuclear power.

Only part of a solution.

In the short-term, it's one of the best solutions. The question is not nuclear or nothing, it's nuclear or gas/oil/coal. I'd rather have a nuclear power plant than a coal plant. It's cleaner on every level, including radiation. Coal power plants spew more radiation into the atmosphere than do nuclear power plants, which contain the waste in concrete casks.

Congress needs to get off their asses and green-light 50 new nuclear power plants across the US. Environmentalists need to sit down and shutup because their opposition is killing the environment ironically.

 

[Blackjack200]

There is an excellent video produced by the UC San Francisco History Dept. about the roots of the science of anthropogenic climate change (which go back about 100 years) and the roots of American global warming denial (goes back about 30 years). The historian makes a pretty compelling case that global warming denial is following a very similar trajectory to tobacco's denials about the health effects of their products.

Sorry to be a tease, but I can't post YT videos form work. If there is any interest I can post it in a couple hours when I get home...

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: gingermeggs

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
One thing that isn't spoken about is increased seismic activity, as you warm the earths mantle up it expands and opens up fault lines increasing volcanic activity, tsunamis and land slides. Twenty years time you won't believe what the planet is throwing at you. Changes in political and social attitude will happen steeply, but a massive amount of the human population will die horribly because of the lack of willingness to change the way we all live immediately.
But instead of leading the charge of change, our political heads in the west point our fingers at somebody else and say "you first!" or say it won't be that bad.

Show us how serious you are. Turn off your computer and never be seen here again. One more post and I know you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. It will take sacrifice from all of us. Lead by example.

In addition, I'd be interested to hear where your information comes from for your hellfire and brimstone predictions above. Did this happen on the last planet you lived on?

I purchased $16,000 worth of solar panels in 2005 to cover my modest electricity usage, in fact I actually get money back on my power bill!
I have led lighting only using the one in the room I presently in and never during daylight hours, I don't have AC in the house, my computer is underclocked and set to energy saving and I ride a push bike almost everywhere I need to go except for work as I am a carpenter and need a small trayback utility to perform my work, if I didn't need the vehicle to carry the 300kgs of tools etc,for my work I would either cycle or use public transport . I grow some of my own fruit and vege, have a bio-cycle sewerage system I constructed my self....hows that for "leadership"?

Now It's not rocket science that heat makes matter expand and a core temp of approx. 3500*Celsius, slap an average extra 4*c(not f) on the surface, what would you think it would multiply to down in the core? what if the oceans stop circulating?
To come up with anything less then negative effect for creatures living in that scenario would be ignorant and wishful thinking.
Maybe you just hit a tree with your boomerang!
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/PhillipChan.shtml
http://news.sawf.org/Health/35272.aspx
seems to be more efforts applied to derivative markets and economic engineering, then fundamental sciences in this world at the moment.
And if you think a carpenter isn't smart enough to be able to comprehend such a probability, check out this guy-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison
Time is running now'
I bid you a good day Sir'

I can't help but ask this:

Are you implying that $16,000 is a lot of money to drop on Solar Panels?

It was a fairly large sum for me at the time, seeing at best I can save about $30,000/year
And it doesn't include the cost savings I made by doing much of the work in installation myself and having an excellent elder brother who is an electrician hook it all up, my set up might cost someone else double that figure.
I don't consider it a "drop" either.
I consider it an important investment that will pay itself off over the next decade or so and is a small contribution to a fledgling industry which might help escalate further development of sustainable energy technology, which I believe is being deliberately held back politically by the fossil fuel industry. I just finished a contract, building a crematorium which had a million dollars worth of solar panels installed on its 1000sqm roof area, an investment by that company which will make profits and is speculating on carbon credit trading being implemented in the near future. Carbon taxes, if the money raised is used for development of sustainable energy, will be a big boost and will create financial incentives for others to invest.
How much have you spent?
If you don't mine me asking'

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ericlp
Topic Title: 4 degrees warming "likely" without CO2 cuts-study
Topic Summary: * Global temperatures could rise 4 degrees by 2050s * Rainfall may fall by a fifth in many regions

That's why I don't live on the coast anymore

Er, you'll be dead before then.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ericlp
Topic Title: 4 degrees warming "likely" without CO2 cuts-study
Topic Summary: * Global temperatures could rise 4 degrees by 2050s * Rainfall may fall by a fifth in many regions

That's why I don't live on the coast anymore

Er, you'll be dead before then.

He doesn't want his corpse to get wet?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: gingermeggs

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: gingermeggs

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
One thing that isn't spoken about is increased seismic activity, as you warm the earths mantle up it expands and opens up fault lines increasing volcanic activity, tsunamis and land slides. Twenty years time you won't believe what the planet is throwing at you. Changes in political and social attitude will happen steeply, but a massive amount of the human population will die horribly because of the lack of willingness to change the way we all live immediately.
But instead of leading the charge of change, our political heads in the west point our fingers at somebody else and say "you first!" or say it won't be that bad.

Show us how serious you are. Turn off your computer and never be seen here again. One more post and I know you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. It will take sacrifice from all of us. Lead by example.

In addition, I'd be interested to hear where your information comes from for your hellfire and brimstone predictions above. Did this happen on the last planet you lived on?

I purchased $16,000 worth of solar panels in 2005 to cover my modest electricity usage, in fact I actually get money back on my power bill!
I have led lighting only using the one in the room I presently in and never during daylight hours, I don't have AC in the house, my computer is underclocked and set to energy saving and I ride a push bike almost everywhere I need to go except for work as I am a carpenter and need a small trayback utility to perform my work, if I didn't need the vehicle to carry the 300kgs of tools etc,for my work I would either cycle or use public transport . I grow some of my own fruit and vege, have a bio-cycle sewerage system I constructed my self....hows that for "leadership"?

Now It's not rocket science that heat makes matter expand and a core temp of approx. 3500*Celsius, slap an average extra 4*c(not f) on the surface, what would you think it would multiply to down in the core? what if the oceans stop circulating?
To come up with anything less then negative effect for creatures living in that scenario would be ignorant and wishful thinking.
Maybe you just hit a tree with your boomerang!
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/PhillipChan.shtml
http://news.sawf.org/Health/35272.aspx
seems to be more efforts applied to derivative markets and economic engineering, then fundamental sciences in this world at the moment.
And if you think a carpenter isn't smart enough to be able to comprehend such a probability, check out this guy-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison
Time is running now'
I bid you a good day Sir'

I can't help but ask this:

Are you implying that $16,000 is a lot of money to drop on Solar Panels?

It was a fairly large sum for me at the time, seeing at best I can save about $30,000/year
And it doesn't include the cost savings I made by doing much of the work in installation myself and having an excellent elder brother who is an electrician hook it all up, my set up might cost someone else double that figure.
I don't consider it a "drop" either.
I consider it an important investment that will pay itself off over the next decade or so and is a small contribution to a fledgling industry which might help escalate further development of sustainable energy technology, which I believe is being deliberately held back politically by the fossil fuel industry. I just finished a contract, building a crematorium which had a million dollars worth of solar panels installed on its 1000sqm roof area, an investment by that company which will make profits and is speculating on carbon credit trading being implemented in the near future. Carbon taxes, if the money raised is used for development of sustainable energy, will be a big boost and will create financial incentives for others to invest.
How much have you spent?
If you don't mine me asking'

I have spent nothing. My obligations do not allow me this expense.

Would you have bought them if they cost $100,000?

 

[Blackjack200]

As promised: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio

Another excellent video from UCSF

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Congress needs to get off their asses and green-light 50 new nuclear power plants across the US.

:thumbsup:

We also need to get back to work on Yucca Mountain.

 

[GoPackGo]

The US should institute a 4 day work week

and rolling blackouts(well maybe not) ....

But Stores should be closed on Sundays to encourage people to stay home.

And think of this...look how many 24hr store we have now....oh and no more 24 TV...

These lifestyle / cultural changes over the last 30 years have done tons to increase our use of energy.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOQFxXFyZO0

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Makes me wonder why people here are still convinced GW is still a hoax and man has nothing to do with it.

The actions of lemmings do not sway me. The fact that it has not warmed in a decade weighs heavily with me.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ericlp
Makes me wonder why people here are still convinced GW is still a hoax and man has nothing to do with it.

The actions of lemmings do not sway me. The fact that it has not warmed in a decade weighs heavily with me.

Interesting word for "scientists" you have there. And the fact is that it has warmed in a decade. Whatever. Some won't believe until the oceans start boiling.

 

[ProfJohn]

Here is my problem with studies like this:

Global temps have not gone up at all the last 10 years, I think we have actually got a little bit colder from the late 90s high.

And yet there is not ONE study from before this period that predicted a 10 year long cooling period.

Which makes you wonder how accurate these types of studies are. On top of that you have all the other problems related to GW studies like the outright fraud of that hockey stick graph/equation that got the same results no mater what numbers you inputed into the equation.