*4-17-2003 UDPATE* First Reviews Ready. Intel 865/875 (Springdale/Canterwood)

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Willy9Boy

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Excelsior - Nice link to all the Canterwoods. Anybody else notice that only Abit and Gigabyte have
fans on the NB. Is the lack of a fan going to be a problem for overclocking?
 

Wurrmm

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Hmmmm.....Asus or Gigabyte....decisions decisions.....:p Is Gigabyte usually better in the Intel area than Asus or vise versa......or are they about the same? I have been an AMD man since the k5 days except for the PII500 I had, so this is kinda new ground for me......
 

Wurrmm

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Anybody think Soltek will release an 875P mobo??? I never heard about their nForce2 boards for some time. Are current intel based solteks any good?
 

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Thanks Willy9Boy. I havent seen any info yet, so far, as to whether or not Soltek will release one, but there are already so many coming out, why do you need another =).
 

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Originally posted by: Wurrmm
I think SiS is releasing some mobos with 800mhz FSB, HT support, and that use PC1066 RDRAM. It will be good to see how those do against the i875P with Dual DDR400

Wouldn't it have to be PC1600 RDRAM in order to catch up? or is it limited. It seems rambus has been forgotten, and made no progress, though I did hear about them trying to work with SiS (after Intel dropped them). Who knows

anyway, I really like the Giga-Byte and Epox boards

Mmm, look at the 4 channel raid on the Epox. Mmm
 

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SiS to introduce four-channel RDRAM chipset in 3Q
Press release; Christy Lee, DigiTimes.com [Monday 24 February 2003]


Together with partners Samsung Electronics, Rambus and Asustek Computer, chipset designer Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) on February 24 announced that it plans to introduce a new-generation RDRAM-based chipset, the SiS R659, later this year.

Targeting the high-end sector, the R659 is designed for the four-channel RDRAM architecture and is able to offer a memory bandwidth of 9.6GB/sec for systems using four channels of 1200MHz RDRAM memory.

Set to start sampling in the third quarter of 2003, the R659 will be paired with SiS?s SiS964 south bridge chip and thus be able to support eight USB 2.0 ports and Serial ATA architecture.

The R659 will be SiS?s second RDRAM-supporting chipset. The Taiwanese chipset designer launched another RDRAM-based product, the R658, in July 2002.


There you go. It actually looks to be pretty kick ass.
 

Wurrmm

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You know....we are like the Canterwood club....lol....it seems like only a few of us are actually discussing it.
 

Paradoxx

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I am reading, just not informed enough to discuss, so I will ask a question. What are the main differences between Canterwood and Springdale?

I am a gamer and was going to buy the P4SDX then realized that it wasn't the Deluxe model and the deluxe model isn't available yet, so I am waiting for Canterwood, do you see any reason for me to wait for Springdale.

BTW what is with these names, Sprindale, Canterwood... they sound like street names in some yuppie neighborhood.
 

onelin

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Paradoxx:

The main difference seems to be that Canterwood supports ECC ram. Other than that, I think they're identical. So long as it doesn't affect the price significantly, there shouldn't *really* be a reason to wait until Springdale.

btw, I happen to like Intel's names for 'em :D
 

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TEH ELITE CANTERWOOD CLUB! :D From my research, Canterwood will be faster than springdale, and their other specs seem to be about the same. Let Evan clear that up though. It may be that the Canterwood is more expensive than Springdale, eitherway, it has the PAT (Performance.....A something Tecnology) which increases performance at DDR400. The springdale doesnt. Off to school I go.

Originally posted by: Wurrmm
You know....we are like the Canterwood club....lol....it seems like only a few of us are actually discussing it.

 

Kartajan

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Some of us want to join the club, but don't have the scoop yet...

I just need to know the "sweet spot" that balances performance to cost.
I REALLY want to get more stuff, I just can't afford to do it without a significant performance boost.

For example, what benefit is gained from the increased bus speed/ memory bandwith for the 2.4G version with this setup.

**eagerly awaiting the reviews**






Asus P4C800 ?
 

MarcusClifford

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This is going to be my first new computer since my BX with 350MHz PII.

That computer has done me very well since 1997, it has been upgraded many times, but the trusty 440BX Supermicro P6SBA motherboard has not changed. - It now runs a PIII 850MHz and a GF4 Ti 4200 with 384MB PC100 Memory.

Thats why I am going to spend the money on a good Canterwood, the motherboard is without a doubt the most important component of your computer. True, processors and graphics cards can improve performance, but its the motherboard that makes the computer work day in day out.

Also these new motherboards have everything built in, I dont mind paying £50 for a Netowork card, £50 for a sound card, I recently paid £70 for a USB2/Firewire card. All of these are now bultin to the motherboard so it is very good value even if it is £300 - although from what I have seen it should be in the £150-200 range for the "normal" Canterwood boards (not the SCSI 320 ones).
 

Wurrmm

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I had a KT266 and recently got an A7N8X DLX believing I was going to get a Barton later, but when I heard about Canterwood......it was like HOOOAH!!! I just hope the mobos get out to retellers soon, as well as the new CPUs.
 

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Many of us like the "sideways" IDE ports. I agree, realtek e-net is not the best, but most won't be able to take advantage of a Gigabit solution right now.

PJ

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Well, scratch Abit from the list. Upside-down IDE ports and Realtek Ethernet. Pitiful.

 

jaeger66

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Originally posted by: pastorjay
Many of us like the "sideways" IDE ports. I agree, realtek e-net is not the best, but most won't be able to take advantage of a Gigabit solution right now.

It's not that they're sideways, it's that they're upside down. The notch should be facing the other way, because Abit's way you have to twist the cable around which is a real pain. It's OK I guess if you like round cables, but I don't. ANd the Realtek is fine for a 3Mbps cable connection but is totally unsuitable for high bandwidth use.

Note: The Realtek I saw was apparently on a mislabeled picture of their Springdale board. So that's good.
 

Intelligence3

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I wanna be in the Canterwood club, too. SO WHERE DO I PAY??? :D

I was waiting for the P4SDX Deluxe but now I'll just get the Canterwood. I got an opportunity to see one in action at the Game Developers Conference in San Jose a couple weeks ago. At least, I think it was a Canterwood. The Intel guy said it was running at DDR400. As near as I can tell, the Springdales won't take full advantage of the 400.

Come to think of it, I'm a little confused about whether the Springdales will take advantage of DDR400. Can anyone elucidate?
 

jaeger66

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Originally posted by: Intelligence3
I wanna be in the Canterwood club, too. SO WHERE DO I PAY??? :D

I was waiting for the P4SDX Deluxe but now I'll just get the Canterwood. I got an opportunity to see one in action at the Game Developers Conference in San Jose a couple weeks ago. At least, I think it was a Canterwood. The Intel guy said it was running at DDR400. As near as I can tell, the Springdales won't take full advantage of the 400.

Come to think of it, I'm a little confused about whether the Springdales will take advantage of DDR400. Can anyone elucidate?

Yes, Springdale is dual DDR 400 just like Canterwood. There is a low-end Springdale that only does DDR333 and 533fsb though.
 

jaeger66

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I don't mean to beat a dead horse with the CSA thing, but here is a link indicating which companies will use CSA.
 

MarcusClifford

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Originally posted by: jaeger66
I don't mean to beat a dead horse with the CSA thing, but here is a link indicating which companies will use CSA.

CSA is a critial reason for going for Canterwood / Springdale vs SiS or 845PE / GraniteBay so many thanks for that link.

In summary the link sais (as of 10/04/2003 18:00 Zulu) the follwing will include CSA architecture.

ABIT Computer Corporation
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
IWill Corporation
Micro-Star Int'l Co., Ltd