dmcowen674
No Lifer
That's the Key, we're not allowed to even call it the 4th Reicht but that is clearly what it is becoming.
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3rd Reich existed because people traded in freedom for security
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That's the Key, we're not allowed to even call it the 4th Reicht but that is clearly what it is becoming.
Kerouactivist
Diamond Member
I would like to get in on the disscusion but, my head hurts from last night.....ohh and btw women are insane....I just got home
phantom309
Platinum Member
Comparing American conservatives with Nazis is an incredibly lame, trite argument and an embarrassment to anyone presenting it.
No hardship in America in the last 50 years comes anywhere close to what ordinary Germans experienced in the decade after WWI. The Third Reich existed because Germany was forced to pay reparations to the rest of Europe after a devastating, utterly pointless war for which Germany was only marginally at fault. You can easily find out what happened after that by Googling the word "hyperinflation".
No hardship in America in the last 50 years comes anywhere close to what ordinary Germans experienced in the decade after WWI. The Third Reich existed because Germany was forced to pay reparations to the rest of Europe after a devastating, utterly pointless war for which Germany was only marginally at fault. You can easily find out what happened after that by Googling the word "hyperinflation".
rudder
Lifer
What freedoms have I traded in the last 4 years? the only difference I have seen is that I may have to jump through a few more hoops to get on an airplane. But hey I like to fly and I welcome the extra security. As a former pilot I always felt the $6/hour screeners were doing a terrible joba nyway.
I also bought an assault rifle last year (well actually a WWII era m1 carbine) and I had to pay for a $10 background check before I could take possesion.
So what freedoms have I been trading away for my increased security? Please enlighten me?
AntiEverything
Senior member
Traditionally liberals LOVE to trade freedom for security. Their stance on the 2nd Amendment alone shows that much.
If you're worried about trading freedom for security, I think you're in a lose/lose position on Nov 2. Because if you don't like Bush, Kerry sure as hell isn't going to help any.
If you're worried about trading freedom for security, I think you're in a lose/lose position on Nov 2. Because if you don't like Bush, Kerry sure as hell isn't going to help any.
Pliablemoose
Lifer
I'd believe that if he hadn't ranted about the AWB sunset flooding our streets with Uzi's & AK's, if he or his staff would have bothered to check, they've always been available with a % of domestic content, and the importation of whole AK's & Uzi's was banned in an entirely different manner, Dept of Treasury through GCA 69 & USC TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 922 both restrictions/laws are independent of the AWB.
It's more than a little disconcerting to me that a presidential candidate is so blissfully unaware current gun laws when he makes statements as he did.
you know, I've been thinking about this, and I think you are correct. We strong resemble pre-3rd reich
- we have a candidate who broadly categorizes the "internal enemies" as the "rich and empowered" (you don't have to be a rich jew anymore, you can just be rich to be the enemy)
- the candidate is using his questionable war record to show that he is an unquestionable patriot
- the candidate is for the mass-extermination of innocents, and believes that rights should be granted to the executive branch outside of the constitution. If he cannot get those rights, he will appoint those who will grant them.
- we have a candidate who wishes to disarm the population, and create brainwashed "brownshirt" militias and "kerryjugen" through "a national service program"
- we also have a party that uses Krystalnahct-like violence in an attempt to suppress the current ruling party, and openly creates mass-media propoganda in an attempt to dislodge the current party
What did I miss? 😀
- we have a candidate who broadly categorizes the "internal enemies" as the "rich and empowered" (you don't have to be a rich jew anymore, you can just be rich to be the enemy)
- the candidate is using his questionable war record to show that he is an unquestionable patriot
- the candidate is for the mass-extermination of innocents, and believes that rights should be granted to the executive branch outside of the constitution. If he cannot get those rights, he will appoint those who will grant them.
- we have a candidate who wishes to disarm the population, and create brainwashed "brownshirt" militias and "kerryjugen" through "a national service program"
- we also have a party that uses Krystalnahct-like violence in an attempt to suppress the current ruling party, and openly creates mass-media propoganda in an attempt to dislodge the current party
What did I miss? 😀
I'v often noticed the irony of some of the left's ideas, usually to the tune of "vote for freedom!" type campaign, while at the same time being for "control" issues such as gun control, higher taxes, targeted(and even racist/discriminatory) govt benifits, etc. Though these dont seem like control since they fit thier ideology.
A free market society is the most free kind of society. The more progressive(aka socialist) the tax system, the more strict the personal freedoms (i.e. gun control, "madatory national service")
Have you ever known a strong leftist (ie, socialist, communist, or marxist) government that didnt have an extreme level of control over thier citezenry?
Pliablemoose
Lifer
Only of my own making, goddamn metal in my arm sets off metal detectors, I end up nearly naked & wanded every time I step through a metal detector:|
NumbersGuy
Senior member
I think that a closer reading of history will show that the Germans traded total chaos for a sense of order, the full scope of Nazism becoming apparent later (not that much later, but after they were sucked into it)
I will agree the our present situation involves reducing freedom and decency in favor of a debatable sense of security.
$0.02
I will agree the our present situation involves reducing freedom and decency in favor of a debatable sense of security.
$0.02
None, zero, zilch, nada. Screening at airports in Austin, Houston or St. Louis isn't even intimidating.
The same people I know who grew their own pot or dealt it 25 years ago, still grow and deal the stuff. I drive more miles now than before 9-11 and am subjected to less traffic stops (read: 0). Not one single person that I personally know, and I know plenty of people, has ever said anything about John Law screwing with them since 9-11.
AntiEverything
Senior member
That would require actually caring about the state of the union. The days of strong leaders is over in this country until there's either an intellectual or violent revolution in this country. Until then it'll be puppets from both sides.
Kerouactivist
Diamond Member
I have gotten patted down at the airport all my luggage rummaged through....my shoes and laptop bag dipped in some goo they had.....my laptop tossed outta my bag dropping it about 2 ft in the process.....
Needless to say I'm not a big fan of airport security.....and I really don't thinkthey are handling it the right way......
All this probably happened because at the time I had long hair.....what a fascist would call a "stoner type".......They didn't think I was a terrorist they were looking for drugs I bet baby.....and thats bullshit......
Needless to say I'm not a big fan of airport security.....and I really don't thinkthey are handling it the right way......
All this probably happened because at the time I had long hair.....what a fascist would call a "stoner type".......They didn't think I was a terrorist they were looking for drugs I bet baby.....and thats bullshit......
Alchemize. I couldn't have said it better myself. The insinuations are funny and hell and they lose any credibility with their fanciful comparisons... but the hypocrisy is troubling. The Left's PC thought controlling ways, and free speech-as-long-as-it-agree-with-them attitudes in society represent a greater threat than annoying searches at airports. They propose huge increases in taxes, regulations, and overall government control into our lives and toss the word fascist around like it's nothing.
As I said, virtually all independent freedom indexes in the world put the US at or near the top... but they don't have political axes to grind.
As I said, virtually all independent freedom indexes in the world put the US at or near the top... but they don't have political axes to grind.
Kerouactivist
Diamond Member
It seemed a little intrusive to me.....I never minded the x-ray machines and metal dectectors because everybody has to go through it and it is not very intrusive but, I think they go a little far when they make you take articles of clothing off and pat you down without reason or cause.......not to mention being extremly reckless with your possessions. Sounds pretty unamerican to me.
How would this feel you get pulled over for no reason driving down the road and then having your car searched for no reason other than the officer just wanting to search your car and then while they are searching your car they break stuff in your car.... take your tires off and when they don't find what they are looking for they pile up all your stuff on the side of the road and just drive off.......sounds pretty unamerican to me........ but, since terrorist can drive cars with bombs in them I guess that would probably be okay right....
Free people, remember this maxim: we may acquire liberty, but it is never recovered if it is once lost.
Author: Jean Jacques Rousseau
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Author: Benjamin Franklin
GTaudiophile
Lifer
GTaudiophile
Lifer
So the 53K names of dead soldiers on the wall in Washington were rapists and baby killers as Kerry accused them, and himself, of being?
I doubt those men were rapists and baby killers, but it wouldn't surprise me if Kerry was.
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