boxleitnerb
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The 8800 Ultra was very very expensive. But it almost doubled the last generation top-dog, the X1950XTX. If the 7970 did that, they can charge whatever the hell they want 
Not sure about you but any price increases suck to me. Whether it be nvidia, amd, intel.. Just from the little I understand about gpu/CPU manufacturing it appears that the 7970 is a relatively cheap gpu to make. So that means that the price is artificially high for no reason but greed. If there was a reason for it to be so high such as manufacturing or whatever then fine. You just suck it up and pay for it. It's things like this that turn me completely off of a company/product. Doesn't help any knowing that the amd CEO sees his customers as prey.
Not sure about you but any price increases suck to me. Whether it be nvidia, amd, intel.. Just from the little I understand about gpu/CPU manufacturing it appears that the 7970 is a relatively cheap gpu to make. So that means that the price is artificially high for no reason but greed. If there was a reason for it to be so high such as manufacturing or whatever then fine. You just suck it up and pay for it. It's things like this that turn me completely off of a company/product. Doesn't help any knowing that the amd CEO sees his customers as prey.
boxleitnerb said:The 8800 Ultra was very very expensive. But it almost doubled the last generation top-dog, the X1950XTX. If the 7970 did that, they can charge whatever the hell they want
That's kind of an unreasonable stance to make and would mean you couldn't buy ANYTHING AT ALL, because every company is out there to make money and everything is "reasonably cheap to make" when compared with the price it's sold at. The GTX580 and 570 both cost the same to make, so do the 6950 and the 6970, the i5 2500 and the 2500k and the i7 2600k. Manufacturing is just a part of the total cost associated with these parts. Going only on manufacturing costs, you are totally ignoring any kind of R&D.
The 8800 Ultra also pulled 45% more power. If you don't mind pulling more power than a GTX580, you can get the same increase with a 7970![]()
Not sure about you but any price increases suck to me. Whether it be nvidia, amd, intel.. Just from the little I understand about gpu/CPU manufacturing it appears that the 7970 is a relatively cheap gpu to make. So that means that the price is artificially high for no reason but greed. If there was a reason for it to be so high such as manufacturing or whatever then fine. You just suck it up and pay for it. It's things like this that turn me completely off of a company/product. Doesn't help any knowing that the amd CEO sees his customers as prey.
If anything, NV has the best opportunity to have the lower consumer prices. They have a much stronger server/professional market and could off-set a decent percentage of R&D through their enterprise and professional divisions. Thats very simplistic, obviously, after you factor-in all the other facets and margins the company has to account for.
The 8800 Ultra also pulled 45% more power. If you don't mind pulling more power than a GTX580, you can get the same increase with a 7970![]()
I disagree, Even if it doesn't cost as much to manufacture as say a 6970, there is more R&D work that goes into it.
When you purchase a product, you are not simply paying for the cost to manufacture it. You are also recouping the cost to design it. As the product is out for longer, prices can go down as typically you recoup at least most of the R&D cost in the first half of the products life cycle.
So you're saying amd couldn't sell the 7970 at $399 and still make a ton of profit? I think they could. So why are they $550-$600? Hmm..
Wake up man. Getting fleeced for your hard earned dollars is not cool. I can't for the life of me figure how getting hard earned dollars taken out of your pocket is a good thing?Then to come into a thread and defend it is really the puzzling thing.
Wonder if these same guys drive by the gas station and get all giddy when gas goes up by a dollar. "oh look honey gas is $1.00 higher than yesterday! Yippee!!
Go Exxon!! A big nameless faceless corporation needs this money so much more than me. Here you go sir. I don't need it. Just so happy to pay premiums!"
This is an utterly ridiculous argument to make. Of course its cheap to make, however the R+D, testing, validation, etc is not cheap. Its just like video games, although the media is cheap to produce - DVD's cost pennies -- many games cost millions upon millions to create. SWTOR cost 200 million to make, paying the employees cost millions, and paying for all of the artwork, sound, and love put into the game cost a ton of money. You are not paying for the DVD - you are paying for the blood sweat and tears that the developers put in. Similarly, with the GPU you are not paying for the PCB itself...you are paying for much more than that. Now whats funny is painting amd as a greedy company while sticking up for NV as being charitable? What![]()
Did you feel this way about the GTX 480 at launch?![]()
So you're saying amd couldn't sell the 7970 at $399 and still make a ton of profit? I think they could. So why are they $550-$600? Hmm..
Wake up man. Getting fleeced for your hard earned dollars is not cool. I can't for the life of me figure how getting hard earned dollars taken out of your pocket is a good thing?Then to come into a thread and defend it is really the puzzling thing.
Wonder if these same guys drive by the gas station and get all giddy when gas goes up by a dollar. "oh look honey gas is $1.00 higher than yesterday! Yippee!!
Go Exxon!! A big nameless faceless corporation needs this money so much more than me. Here you go sir. I don't need it. Just so happy to pay premiums!"
So you're saying amd couldn't sell the 7970 at $399 and still make a ton of profit? I think they could. So why are they $550-$600? Hmm..
Wake up man. Getting fleeced for your hard earned dollars is not cool. I can't for the life of me figure how getting hard earned dollars taken out of your pocket is a good thing?Then to come into a thread and defend it is really the puzzling thing.
Wonder if these same guys drive by the gas station and get all giddy when gas goes up by a dollar. "oh look honey gas is $1.00 higher than yesterday! Yippee!!
Go Exxon!! A big nameless faceless corporation needs this money so much more than me. Here you go sir. I don't need it. Just so happy to pay premiums!"
I didn't buy this 480 at launch. I traded a ssd that was worth about $100 and gave the guy another $100 cash for it. Bought the gpu cooler for $40 and I have a gtx 480 that's overclocked, nearly silent, and runs about 52c under load. Thanks for playing.
That doesn't answer the question though, I understand you bought it used but how do you feel about the launch MSRP price? Was nvidia "fleecing"? I mean using your argument i'm sure someone somewhere could get a used 7970 a couple of months down the road for a great bargain. That doesn't exactly answer the question or make sense
I'm not patting AMD on the back over their prices but it is understandable - 5870 was a great bargain but it did not make AMD a ton of money because of poor yields. And then AMD was screwed by TSMC's failed switch to 32nm. Anyway, it is somewhat hypocritical (not directing this at you, just in general) to champion nvidia over price/performance. If anything they're the worst offender at overcharging, i'm not sure how you can argue otherwise.
That doesn't answer the question though, I understand you bought it used but how do you feel about the launch MSRP price? Was nvidia "fleecing"? I mean using your argument i'm sure someone somewhere could get a used 7970 a couple of months down the road for a great bargain. That doesn't exactly answer the question or make sense
I'm not patting AMD on the back over their prices but it is understandable - 5870 was a great bargain but it did not make AMD a ton of money because of poor yields. And then AMD was screwed by TSMC's failed switch to 32nm. Anyway, it is somewhat hypocritical (not directing this at you, just in general) to champion nvidia over price/performance. If anything they're the worst offender at overcharging, i'm not sure how you can argue otherwise.
I will admit I payed full msrp on a gtx 580 once. Believe me there were cuss words uttered about nvidia when I bought it. I really didn't think about price/performance or none of that. Just wanted the top performer. Turned out I had buyers remorse about 2-3 months in and sold it. So while yes I have been on the paying premium side I am no longer. Just like anything else you learn from your mistakes. So yes with my new outlook on gpu buying I'm giving the 7970 a failing grade.
Look what happens when you have the fastest and more expensive single card at $549 after 9th of January 2012
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...NTC;NASDAQ:NVDA&cmptdms=0;0&q=NYSE:AMD&ntsp=0
...5870 was a great bargain...
Look what happens when you have the fastest and more expensive single card at $549 after 9th of January 2012
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...NTC;NASDAQ:NVDA&cmptdms=0;0&q=NYSE:AMD&ntsp=0
Well, that pretty much kills the argument if there ever was one
And mother of god, Intel makes both AMD and Nvidia look like ants
This is an utterly ridiculous argument to make. Of course its cheap to make, however the R+D, testing, validation, etc is not cheap. Its just like video games, although the media is cheap to produce - DVD's cost pennies -- many games cost millions upon millions to create. SWTOR cost 200 million to make, paying the employees cost millions, and paying for all of the artwork, sound, and love put into the game cost a ton of money. You are not paying for the DVD - you are paying for the blood sweat and tears that the developers put in. Similarly, with the GPU you are not paying for the PCB itself...you are paying for much more than that. Now whats funny is painting amd as a greedy company while sticking up for NV as being charitable? What![]()