3D Prophet 4500 arrived today, any tips

[Yonguma]

O.K. I am happy with the K2 in my Win98 setup. But, I have not gotten it to work with W2k. I have not been able to boot to W2K after installing the K2 drivers. And this is a fresh install of W2K in a UW SCSI drive.
I understand that the ACPI in W2K causes problems when it bunch all the devices into 1 IRQ. The problem is, I have managed to disable ACPI and have the K2 running on an IRQ by itself and it still crashes. Most people have problems when they are playing games, or using the W2K with the video drivers installed, I can't even boot up after I installed the drivers.
Here are the steps as to how I install W2k. I have reinstalled/reformat at least 10 times over the last few weeks with different steps.

1) Install W2K to scsi drive.
2) Install lastest Via 4in1 using Iwill's and Viatech drivers.
3) Update to latest SP, IE W2K updates, DX8....
So far, every reboot works, and cancelling on installing video card each time.
4) Install K2 drivers (tried ver 111a and 114)
Reboots, screen locks(black screen with cursor at top left) up at the point when its going to show the logon screen.
I can go back in safe mode, remove drivers, boot to regular vga normal mode, try different things, reinstall W2K drivers, lockup.

System specs

AMD 1Ghz @ 1.4Ghz 10x140
IWill KK266
Crucial 256mb cas2
Adaptec 2940uw scsi card
Maxtor 40gb 7200rpm drive
Seagate 18 UW Scsi 7200rpm drive
SBlive value - took out for for W2K
Adaptec Firewire card
DLink Nic

Everything has been working on Win98 at this speed, don't believe its a overclocking problem.
Anyone got any advice?
Thanks.

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[Mingon]

Right Ive got treemark and village mark now to bench with, anyting else to use?

 

[conradgoodman]

all sounds good to me Luke, u best find da best benches for the write up, and we best get lots of hits from it...



This is where luke works...

 

[L8CS]

<<Yep IRQ 11 is where you want the Kyro II for best results.>>

Teasy, why does IRQ 11 make a difference. My Kyro2 went to IRQ 10 and my NIC's on 11. I've had no problems with any of the drivers or the Kyro, but I did reformat because of a Directx issue and reformatted for my original install. It's a great card for the price.

 

[Teasy]

<<<Teasy, why does IRQ 11 make a difference. My Kyro2 went to IRQ 10 and my NIC's on 11. I've had no problems with any of the drivers or the Kyro, but I did reformat because of a Directx issue and reformatted for my original install. It's a great card for the price.>>>

You probably won't notice any difference between IRQ 10 and IRQ 11, its just best to get it to IRQ 11, the main thing is to make sure its using a high number IRQ and isn't sharing the IRQ with any other card.

 

[GGorilla]

I've had the exact same problems with my K2 and Win2k. I'm thinking about going back to my old Voodoo5 to see if that fixes things. I have tried messing with the BIOS - didn't work. Tried a clean install - didn't work. I don't even get a BSOD anymore - it just goes black or freezes like a broken record player.

 

[Mykex]

I just replied to your other KII thread and if your getting the black nothing screen see if you cant get it to boot up into a higher res. My KII refuses to do 800x600 but its great @ 1024x768???

 

[Yonguma]

Mykex,
It does not even give a chance to change resolution. After you install the drivers, it ask to reboot, then blank screen. You can only get it to boot up in safe mode, and I don't think I can change the resolution in safe mode.

 

[Mykex]

I know hes on Win2k so this may not help but you can change your res via regedit in Win98 HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG - Display - Settings. Its not a solution but its something to add to your TSTree or just a band-aid fix for now. Tweak it to a different res via regedit in safe mode then reboot.

 

[Banana]

Dungn: Are you really Mingon?

Forgive me if mistaken identity . . .

1YP

 

[Mingon]

Only one of me

 

[dfloyd]

Ok guys I have seen this with several situiations. Your monitor is going into standby. Dont worry about resolution. Change the refresh rate in safe mode then reboot. Once you have done that download HzTool. It is an excellent program. Use it to manully set your refresh rates.

 

[dungn]

Ok, Today 5 juli 2001, I got my Geforce card. Read my old mail below...

Test:
DELL Dimension T500 - P3-500MHZ - 384MB; and
MSI KT133 - Athlon (TB) 750Mhz - 320MB.
Both systems tested with W2K Server. All system already tweaked, but not O/C.
* Vertical sync = always off ! *

Old:
====
Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 (64MB):
3D Mark 2000: approx. 1600 3DMarks
3D Mark 2001: approx. 800 3DMarks

New:
====

Asus v7700 Deluxe.
Geforce2 GTS chip. 32MB DDR SGRAM

Athlon 750Mhz
-------------
3D Mark 2000 - 1024x768 x16bit:
- Detonator v6.31: (AGP 4x) 3845 - 3DMarks
- Asus v6.49: (AGP 2x) 5262 - 3DMarks; (AGP 4x) 5361 - 3DMarks


3D Mark 2001 - 1024x768 x16bit:
- Detonator v6.31: (AGP 4x) 1616 - 3DMarks
3D Mark 2001 - 1024x768 x32bit:
- Detonator v6.31: (AGP 4x) 1585 - 3DMarks

3D mark 2001 - 1024x768 x32bit:
- Asus v6.49: (AGP 4x) 2142 - 3DMarks


DELL T500Mhz
------------
3D Mark 2000 - 1024x768 x16bit:
- Asus v6.49: (AGP 2x) 3571 - 3D Marks

*** Well, the above figures looks much better then my test with Hercules Kyro II. Although tests with the Pentium 500Mhz occationally crashed (BSOD). Fortunately this happends less often than with the Herculescard. Unlike the Kyro II the Geforcecard was installed without any problems.

*** Oh yah, one thing I forgot to mention: my previous Hercules Kyro II card had TV-out capability...

*** All games can be played without any problems with the Geforce card.

Question: if you study the figures carefully... Why is that my Athlon 750Mhz has such a high score:
- Asus v6.49: (AGP 2x) 5262 - 3DMarks; (AGP 4x) 5361 - 3DMarks
...and the Pentium 500Mhz so low:
- Asus v6.49: (AGP 2x) 3571 - 3D Marks

I know, 250Mhz faster...but it doesn't mean scores can be almost twice as high?

****

Another test:

TNT2-Ultra (32mb):
======================================================
T500MHz - 384MB; 1024x768x16. 256MB AGP
Score: 2533 - 3DMarks

T500MHz - 384MB; 1024x768x16. 64MB AGP
Score: 2478 - 3D Marks
======================================================

======================================================
Athlon 750 - 256MB; 1024x768x16 128MB AGP
Score: 3560 - 3DMarks
======================================================

Finally
* I know TNT2 Ultra uses a lot of CPU-power, but
the Geforce....jteezzz, look at the differences.
* During the 3D Mark tests, the CPU-usages when to the full 100% on a Geforce test!!

So remember: CPU DOES MATTER WITH GEFORCE-chip !!!


ps. God, its late.

 

[dungn]

<< Ok, Today 5 juli 2001, I got my Geforce card. Read my old mail below...

I meant, read my old mail ABOVE: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:07 PM

 

[EMAN]

forget 3dmark and show us actual game benchmarks.

 

[dungn]

Tested on Athlon 750MHz, 320MB:

-= OpenGL =-

Quake 3 Arena, single play: 1600x1200x32bit = 20/30 fps
Quake 3 Arena, single play: 1280x1024x32bit = 30/40 fps
Quake 3 Arena, single play: 1024x768 x16bit = 40/90 fps

Half-Life CounterStrike; cs_militia.bsp, single play: 1280x960x32bit = > 100 fps
Half-Life CounterStrike; cs_militia.bsp, single play: 1280x960x32bit ¡&Yacute; 45 fps (HS: Smoke Grenade)
note: max. FPS for HL-CS = 100 fps.

 

[RobsTV]

So does this verify that the Kyro2 needs a high end to Ultra high end CPU to compete with the GeForce? I can understand 3DMark not being optimized for the Kyro2, but both versions of 3dmark? And if 3dmark is not optimized, what are the chances of real games also not being optimized for the Kyro2. There is a good chance of that happening, IMHO. On the other hand, usually if 3dMark runs good, your other games and apps will run good as well. But still, the main purpose for 3dmark is not to compare different cards and systems, but is to compare nearly identical cards and systems, to see if one is poorly setup or configured wrong.

 

[Teasy]

<<<So does this verify that the Kyro2 needs a high end to Ultra high end CPU to compete with the GeForce? I can understand 3DMark not being optimized for the Kyro2, but both versions of 3dmark? And if 3dmark is not optimized, what are the chances of real games also not being optimized for the Kyro2. There is a good chance of that happening, IMHO. On the other hand, usually if 3dMark runs good, your other games and apps will run good as well. But still, the main purpose for 3dmark is not to compare different cards and systems, but is to compare nearly identical cards and systems, to see if one is poorly setup or configured wrong.>>>

No dungn's system deffinately wasn't working properly with the Kyro II in D3D, those 3dmark scores are far to low, if you take a look at madonion's database the lowest score there for a Pentium III 500 and Kyro II in 3dmark2000 at default res is 2236 and the top score for the same system is 3215 so dungn should have been getting much higher scores.

 

[PotNoodle]

My PIII 733 is up in the 4500's with my KYROII - there's definatly something worng there!

 

[Mykex]

My KyroII scores a few posts up are with a Tbird 750@825.