3D printing of guns -> Forcing people in US to carry conceal to be on equal footing?

[JEDI]

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_bn5#/video/tech/2013/03/27/lead-intv-wilson-printing-3-d-guns.cnn

the guy in the video says he'll have a printable gun by april 2013.

can of worms about to be opened.
in the near future, anyone can easily create a gun in their home.

will legal concealed carry go way up when that happens?

or is it like now with knives? criminals have access to knives. yet the vast majority of populace dont carry knives in response.

your thoughts?

 

[Orignal Earl]

your thoughts?

Seeing how things usually go in the US, I would have to say there's probably a 3d printer ban on the way.
Only trusted law enforcement will have use till things get sorted out

 

[Lithium381]

Seeing how things usually go in the US, I would have to say there's probably a 3d printer ban on the way.
Only trusted law enforcement will have use till things get sorted out

You mean only our all-knowing government will be allowed to use them? I'm not sure why this would significantly change things . . . . people who want guns can either buy them or steal them. Criminals don't give two sh*ts about laws, so banning them will *gasp* do nothing to prevent bad guys from obtaining them. .

 

[Uhtrinity]

How are they going to print the hardened metal parts? Maybe things like grips and accessories, but I doubt printable parts would even be strong enough for items like the lower receivers.

 

[Juror No. 8]

I don't see the big deal. The government has millions of guns, so why shouldn't the people have millions of guns as well?

 

[Orignal Earl]

You mean only our all-knowing government will be allowed to use them? I'm not sure why this would significantly change things . . . . people who want guns can either buy them or steal them. Criminals don't give two sh*ts about laws, so banning them will *gasp* do nothing to prevent bad guys from obtaining them. .

Some of you guys are stuck on pure auto-pilot eh

 

[Lithium381]

Making things illegal doesn't make them hard to get. See alcohol during prohibition. See weed today. See cocaine today, or any other hard drug. . . so.....

my point is - what does it matter? Criminals already have guns. Some states allow their citizens to protect themselves, a few don't. I don't think this will change anything.

 

[Unheard]

How are they going to print the hardened metal parts? Maybe things like grips and accessories, but I doubt printable parts would even be strong enough for items like the lower receivers.

Polymer AR-15 lowers are already common place and in use (have one in my closet). Bushmaster made/makes? a Carbon-15 that was plastic minus the barrel and a few other parts. With some refinement, this is very possible.

 

[herm0016]

Polymer AR-15 lowers are already common place and in use (have one in my closet). Bushmaster made/makes? a Carbon-15 that was plastic minus the barrel and a few other parts. With some refinement, this is very possible.

just the upper and lower are carbon composite. I also own one. Nice and light weight!

someone did print a lower and got 5 or 6 shots out of it.

 

[airdata]

You mean only our all-knowing government will be allowed to use them? I'm not sure why this would significantly change things . . . . people who want guns can either buy them or steal them. Criminals don't give two sh*ts about laws, so banning them will *gasp* do nothing to prevent bad guys from obtaining them. .

Exactly.

All of the gun control stuff in the news is a completely waste of time. There's already measures in place to keep people barred from owning a firearm from owning a firearm.

My drunk driving argument works the same w\ guns..... They make this big deal about drunk driving deaths... fact of the matter however, is that the majority of auto deaths are caused by other things.... mostly just stupid people who are well within their right to be operating a car.

Same w\ guns.... Do you know how many gun owners are just bat shit crazy? Plenty of them. Go visit any P&N thread and look at the people running around wishing death on other people, being racist, etc... they're probably gun owners.

 

[cubby1223]

Making things illegal doesn't make them hard to get. See alcohol during prohibition. See weed today. See cocaine today, or any other hard drug. . . so.....

my point is - what does it matter? Criminals already have guns. Some states allow their citizens to protect themselves, a few don't. I don't think this will change anything.

The difference is that guns does not create the addictive dependency like drugs do. Take away a gun from a gun-owner, while I'm sure many here will say it is true, the person is not going through withdrawals like a cocaine addict.

 

[Lithium381]

cubby-

My point was that laws do not automatically create a desired behavior. Only those who allow themselves to be subjected to a particular rule will follow it. For example, I have a handgun, but I do not conceal carry because I do not yet have a permit for it, even though I believe I should be able to. I'm attempting to follow the law. There are others who will disregard that law and carry anyway, either for some legitimate self-defense use, or for malicious purposes. Either way the law itself has not prevented any behavior from those wishing to not follow it. Same could be said with airdatas post. .. . there are laws against drunk driving, yet SOMEHOW we have thousands of deaths per year from drunk driving . . .

 

[Fenixgoon]

there's no way the government would actually be able control it. it's digital. distribution is easy, unlimited, and free. and the second you try and "take down" one place, another 10 pop up.

besides, even if you tightly control all current manufacturer's drawings (to be expected already since they don't want competitors to have info),

it doesn't take much to make one. especially since 3D printing (also called RAPID PROTOTYPING) means creating something from scratch isn't that difficult and you can iterate on the design until you get something that works.

 

[Moonbeam]

Gun yankers gonna yank, but additive manufacturing is going to change everything.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Gun yankers gonna yank, but additive manufacturing is going to change everything.

Might be a good thing in the long run. I think it's going to be more profitable to deal with killings themselves than to cling to imagined protection. I know how many bullets I can have by law but that's not going to change my behavior or that of one who will murder.

 

[Murloc]

this is no different than people building pipe bombs at home. It's one use, it kills, it's created at home, it is forbidden.
Where is the difference?

I think it's a non-problem for now.

 

[DCal430]

This needs to be illegal, people like him need to be sent away as a danger for society.

 

[Doppel]

This needs to be illegal, people like him need to be sent away as a danger for society.

You are a sheep; a prole. You will always do what your masters say because it's in your DNA to follow and be commanded.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This needs to be illegal, people like him need to be sent away as a danger for society.

It's kind of hard to take your opinion seriously since you consider unicorn discovering nuclear packing dictators perfectly normal and innocuous.

 

[zanejohnson]

oh my gosh the world is going to be an AMAZING/SCARY/INCREDIBLE place when i am an old man... think of how our grandparents lived when they were our age (im 27) and how we live today, compared to that...

and now with rapid prototyping becoming mainstream and actually available in the home.... that is INCREDIBLE. the world of 3d printing piracy will be something we have never seen before.


i can also see, this literally, leading to teleportation.. once we know how to 3d print a human replica (clone) with memory intact... then the whole looper scenary actually comes to life...

i vow to myself to stay current with technology the best i can as i age, so that i can participate in such wonderful things, and not be bitter, like alot of the elder are in this time..

 

[FaaR]

Polymer AR-15 lowers are already common place and in use (have one in my closet). Bushmaster made/makes? a Carbon-15 that was plastic minus the barrel and a few other parts. With some refinement, this is very possible.

The plastics used are very different. Your bushmasters and whatnot use fiber-reinforcement for additional strength and durability, plastic printers use much brittler resin that won't stand up to the stresses involved for long. Printed plastic parts aren't meant for these kind of uses. Basically, a plastic printer is a tool for rapid prototyping. You're not meant to make everyday use items out of the stuff, it won't stand up to the abuse.

With careful design the gun could last a while, one prototype lasted for over 600 rounds, but the thing could also break apart basically anytime you fire it and send high-velocity jagged shrapnel flying into your face/eyes, especially if someone has accidentally dropped it (or banged it against a hard object) - even if you don't see any visible cracks in the material. Any material failure in a printed plastic gun is going to be catastrophic; it won't bend or deform, it will fly apart, instantly. Is that something you really want to rely on?

Go to a store and buy a real gun if you actually need one. These printed guns are just toys and will always remain so. They're the product of gun nut paranoia, but sure... Go ahead and blow yourself up for all I care. The world will be better off for it.

 

[rudder]

How are they going to print the hardened metal parts? Maybe things like grips and accessories, but I doubt printable parts would even be strong enough for items like the lower receivers.

I will try to find a link where someone made a printed gun. I do remember it was not able to fire too many rounds before falling apart.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/f...-gun-fires-6-shots-then-falls-apart-1C7404226

 

[Greenman]

This needs to be illegal, people like him need to be sent away as a danger for society.

I'm nothing short of astounded that you even had that thought.


Also, apparently no one here has heard of a "Saturday night special"?

This isn't new guys, people have been building guns in there garage for decades.

 

[glenn1]

How are they going to print the hardened metal parts? Maybe things like grips and accessories, but I doubt printable parts would even be strong enough for items like the lower receivers.

3D printer technology already exist to make printable metal parts. You're way behind the times thinking 3d printing only produces resin parts.

 

[exdeath]

Screw 3D printers. Just buy a used table top milling machine on Craigslist for $1500 and make a real one.