3930k Vs. 3570k! What would be more Future proof !!? :-\

[fastman]

I went for 3570k for my new gaming rig and am a happy camper.

 

[r3pshow]

thank you all for replying !

Well, seeing that my 2600k @ 4.6 can't handle BF3 beyond 50fps on 64 player Oman with 2x 670's, i'd suggest the 3930K. Any new BF games coming out (BF2143) won't be any easier on the CPU. 4 cores is on its way out the door. The debate has already started and it sounds a lot like when people argued over 4 cores being needed instead of 2. BF3 64 player servers absolutely PEG a 2600K to the floor. Go with 3930K. I'm going to end up breaking down and getting one with the hopes of freeing up my 670's.

Really!! your 2600k @4.6 bottlenecks your 670s that's missed up !😕

I was going with same GPU 670 ...and planing on adding another one later... so basically same as you !!

can You explain a bit more about this Prob !!??

for two years the 3570k unless you are going to be using more than 2 gpus.

yea i'm going to be using a GTX 670 or 7950, then upgrading to dual 670s or 7950s ... !

BTW : playing at 1080p !

 

[Magic Carpet]

I would like to have the rig for at least 2 years ... any suggestions are more than welcomed !!😉​

I'd get an i7 3820. Later upgrade to IVY-E or HASWELL-E (not confirmed yet).

 

[lehtv]

I'd get an i7 3820. Later upgrade to IVY-E or HASWELL-E (not confirmed yet).

Horrible idea for a gaming build. i7 3820 performs the same as i7-3570K in games, it costs more and the motherboard also costs more, and you lose features such as iGPU (for backup or secondary monitor) and SSD caching.

@ OP
3570K + Z77 is the only sensible way to go.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Horrible idea for a gaming build. i7 3820 performs the same as i7-3570K in games, it costs more and the motherboard also costs more, and you lose features such as iGPU (for backup or secondary monitor) and SSD caching.

@ OP
3570K + Z77 is the only sensible way to go.

X79 (3930k) is more future-proof than Z77 (3570k). That's what OP wants, he gets :whiste:

On a budget, you can do without both of these options. Clearly, this is not the case here.

 

[ShintaiDK]

X79 (3930k) is more future-proof than Z77 (3570k). That's what OP wants, he gets :whiste:

For gaming? No.

X79 is just a cashdrain there.

 

[Magic Carpet]

For gaming? No.

X79 is just a cashdrain there.

Today, I would agree with you. The day after tomorrow, X79 will, clearly, be the more preferable option.

I know, there is no such thing... as "future-proof" in computing. But in this particular case, that's what it is. Future games are more likely to benefit from more cores/threads, then not.

X79 is going to have more processing power, more pci-e bandwidth and more memory versus Z77 platform.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Today, I would agree with you. The day after tomorrow, X79 will, clearly, be the more preferable option.

I know, there is no such thing... as "future-proof" in computing. But in this particular case, that's what it is. Future games are more likely to benefit from more cores/threads, then not.

X79 is going to have more processing power, more pci-e bandwidth and more memory versus Z77 platform.

Problem is, even if those things do happen in the future. They wont happen in the lifespan of the x79.

Also more PCIe bandwidth. On that area x79 is only useful if you got tri/quad with GFX cards. And considering the LGA1155 supports 32GB. I dont think thats gonna be an issue anytime soon either. And we all know the bandwidth wont matter. The tri- and quadchannel for LGA1366 and LGA2011 was made due to NUMA access.

And with the upcoming SB-E vs Haswell-DT. It just aint gonna be pretty. Remember the high extra cost for x79 as well.

 

[Edrick]

No IB-E on roadmaps. And by then Haswell-DT is out. Kinda silly to upgrade obsolete with obsolete, should any SB-E owners even have the chance to do so.

The bottom line is the 3820 has an upgrade option in IB-E (whenever it comes out). The 3570k on LGA1155 is the final option for that socket, so it is a dead socket. So my point is valid that 3820 has a better "futureproof" options.

You bring up Haswell which was not even mentioned in the OP. So while you make valid points on Haswell (I am a huge Haswell fan), it does not help the OP decide today what he is going to do.

 

[nurturedhate]

The only reason to get the 3930k over the 3570k is if you are very serious about bf3 multiplayer. Every other gaming situation I'd go with the 3570k/3770k. (queue people posting benches for sp bf3.....)

 

[Edrick]

And with the upcoming SB-E vs Haswell-DT. It just aint gonna be pretty. Remember the high extra cost for x79 as well.

The extra cost of a 3820 over a 3770k is ZERO. In fact the X79 setup may be cheaper. The 3820 can be had for $239 and the 3770K is around $329. That difference will offset any MB cost difference. RAM cost the same.

Also, Haswell DT will only be 4 cores. IB-E should bring 6 core CPUs down below the $400 mark for the first time (for Intel). So it all depends on what you need it for.

 

[moonbogg]

The only reason to get the 3930k over the 3570k is if you are very serious about bf3 multiplayer. Every other gaming situation I'd go with the 3570k/3770k. (queue people posting benches for sp bf3.....)

yes exactly. I see no other game worth playing IMO. If you care about BF3, get the 3930K. But its very true that no other situation I have yet discovered will care about those 2 extra cores for gaming, at least, not yet. Up and coming multiplayer games and even some now like Skyrim and WOW are supposed to benefit a good deal from 6 cores, IF you have the GPU power, if not its pointless.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You keep talking of IB-E if its coming. Sofar it looks like its not. Its not on any updated roadmap.

And it would be very wierd if Intel releases IB-E in the same timeframe they gonna release HW-E/EP/EX.

So using IB-E as any argument right now is..misleading.

And you can already get 6 core Xeons below 400$ btw.

 

[Edrick]

You keep talking of IB-E if its coming. Sofar it looks like its not. Its not on any updated roadmap.

And it would be very wierd if Intel releases IB-E in the same timeframe they gonna release HW-E/EP/EX.

So using IB-E as any argument right now is..misleading.

And you can already get 6 core Xeons below 400$ btw.

SB-E was released very shortly before IB-DT.

And Haswell-E will be released Q3/Q4 2013 at the earliest. If they released IB-E in Q4 2012, then it would be a year in between. What is wrong with that?

So unless you have proof that Haswell-E will be out sooner, I do not think your arguement is valid.

 

[chimaxi83]

You keep talking of IB-E if its coming. Sofar it looks like its not. Its not on any updated roadmap.

And it would be very wierd if Intel releases IB-E in the same timeframe they gonna release HW-E/EP/EX.

So using IB-E as any argument right now is..misleading.

And you can already get 6 core Xeons below 400$ btw.

What's that, E5-2620? 2.5GHz turbo, locked multiplier? No thanks lol.

Anyway, in case you were wondering, OP asked:

I'm going to build a new rig,and I just was wondering about what would be more future proof 3930k or 3570k ..!!

For someone buying now, if they want the best future proofing now without going 3960X, it's 3930K. That's all there is to it. He's not asking hey guys what should I buy in 2013, is he? You're basing your whole "IB-E won't be released" based on a single slide 🙄

 

[ShintaiDK]

I think you missed the point. He can buy IB+BW with boards for the same price roughly as 3930K+X79.

Buying now isnt future proof. Using the same money to buy now and in 2 years is. (Relatively seen.)

 

[Magic Carpet]

I think you missed the point. He can buy IB+BW with boards for the same price roughly as 3930K+X79.

No, he clearly gave us the options, and asked this.. specific question. Did he ask, how to get best performance per dollar? No. He wants to build and forget, and not touch his computer for some time. Not everybody upgrades every 2 years. For this particular case, going with X79 makes sense.

Buying now isnt future proof. Using the same money to buy now and in 2 years is. (Relatively seen.)

You make a good point... but that's not the point of the OP.

 

[Kenmitch]

I think you missed the point. He can buy IB+BW with boards for the same price roughly as 3930K+X79.

Buying now isnt future proof. Using the same money to buy now and in 2 years is. (Relatively seen.)

Or semi compromise and get a 3770k now. If he was by a microcenter it would be a easy decision.

 

[rgallant]

Or semi compromise and get a 3770k now. If he was by a microcenter it would be a easy decision.

+1
3770k gets my vote also ,8 x threads vs 12 of the 3930 better than 4 threads [3570k] vs 12 [3930k]
-if you don't need\use ht in a game, turn it off.
- games that need\use it , turn it on.

 

[Edrick]

Buying now isnt future proof. Using the same money to buy now and in 2 years is. (Relatively seen.)

That can be said at any time over the past decade regarding processors, and will be the case case going forward. "Buying Now" is always outdated the following month. So someone will just wait forever!

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

Why WOULDN'T you go with 2133? It's identical in price to cheap 1600 these days and you'll manage tighter timings at 1600 with higher quality DDR3.

I would rather save even more and get bare DDR3 sticks as it won't change anything anyway.

 

[borisvodofsky]

NOTHING is futureproof

Set a budget, stick to it and keep an eye out for bundle deals.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The best way to be futureproof is to buy what you need today and save the remaining money for tomorrow 🙂

Also, have a 2nd backup machine to use so that you can sell off your current equipment before the new stuff comes out. My 2600K + P8Z77-V were totally funded by selling a 980X I bought used. Right before HSW comes out, I plan to unload the 2600K and get most of my money back.

 

[lehtv]

No, he clearly gave us the options, and asked this.. specific question. Did he ask, how to get best performance per dollar? No. He wants to build and forget, and not touch his computer for some time. Not everybody upgrades every 2 years. For this particular case, going with X79 makes sense.

No, it makes sense to realize that the extra $450 spent on CPU and mobo is not going to translate into noticeably better gaming performance.

It makes sense to realize that you're better off upgrading the CPU+mobo+RAM in two-three years and end up paying the same in total as for 3930K+X79 now.

It does not make sense to buy 3930K for gaming, future proofing or any other reason apart from heavily multithreaded productivity performance.

 

[pelov]

Why WOULDN'T you go with 2133? It's identical in price to cheap 1600 these days and you'll manage tighter timings at 1600 with higher quality DDR3.

I highly doubt many people would notice the difference in their general workloads.

There are cases for faster ram with tighter timings, but for most people cheaper ram is always the smarter choice.

Staying with the cheaper theme, buying the 3570K and saving the extra cash is a better idea for future-proofing.