$39 Pentium G3470 3.6GHz vs. $280 i7-4790 3.6GHz...

[VirtualLarry]

Older CPUs that are worthless but still competitive today are always my interest. Let's see here, currently Athlon II X2 250 3.0GHz with Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 board, overclock to 3.7GHz, is my #1 pick here.

I've taken notice of the cheap ($8) AMD AM3 X2 2.9-3.0 CPUs. I was looking at the ASRock "GC" AM2+/AM3/AM3+ mobo, for the reason that I could use the cheap 4GB AMD-only DDR2 sticks on ebay for under $10/stick. 8GB DDR2 for $15 or less, $8 CPU, $8-10 heatsink, $40-55 mobo, for a 3.0Ghz dual-core (without OCing).

Get the point...anyways, more middle-class Americans are buying $5 CPUs than the new Haswells in stores. 10 years later, expect to see all the Sandy Bridges reaching $5 or less, and used motherboards for $20 or less.

Are you so sure middle-class Americans are buying them, rather than refurb resellers?

And for someone claiming "refurbs are for losers"... what do you plan to call those PCs with SB mobos and CPUs?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Desk...D-Windows-7-/301737769481?hash=item4640f8fa09

 

[escrow4]

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Get the point...anyways, more middle-class Americans are buying $5 CPUs than the new Haswells in stores. 10 years later, expect to see all the Sandy Bridges reaching $5 or less, and used motherboards for $20 or less. Sandy Bridge is the great-grandfather and founder of pocket-change modern CPUs for Windows 10 in my adulthood life. Intel will be moving on to 10nm Tigerlake, but I will always search for a $5 Sandy Bridge. Can't wait...

Middle class Americans will buy a new tablet not a $5 ancient CPU with associated ancient chipset. Most of those don't even know what CPU stands for . . . . . . . an Athlon x2 250 is even slower than a G1820.

 

[XavierMace]

Older CPUs that are worthless but still competitive today are always my interest. Let's see here, currently Athlon II X2 250 3.0GHz with Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 board, overclock to 3.7GHz, is my #1 pick here. Some of Athlon 220 can unlock to quad-core for free. Few years later, I expect to see FM2 A4-4000 and A4-5300 reaching $10 soon.

One thing to mention, old pocket-change CPUs for $5 have seen 300% more demand than the new, retail-price CPUs. I always get outbid each time, and the number of sold buy-it-now listings are always in high-quantities. So, I am NOT alone who are buying up all the $5 CPUs.

Get the point...anyways, more middle-class Americans are buying $5 CPUs than the new Haswells in stores. 10 years later, expect to see all the Sandy Bridges reaching $5 or less, and used motherboards for $20 or less. Sandy Bridge is the great-grandfather and founder of pocket-change modern CPUs for Windows 10 in my adulthood life. Intel will be moving on to 10nm Tigerlake, but I will always search for a $5 Sandy Bridge. Can't wait...

LOL.

You keep telling yourself that.

 

[Denithor]

That's way too expensive. Bad buy.... After removing the i7-4790 and 8GB RAM, the system is only $180 each with Windows 10. Only losers go the refurb route.

Even ignoring the effort you have to go through to strip out the 4790/RAM and resell them, and assuming you get full expected price for them (and ignoring eBay fees, etc), you still have a non-functional system priced at $180. After you add the $40 Celeron, your machine is still going to lose, badly, to what I suggested above. And, at least for the next 4 months, my suggestion has a free upgrade to W10. So that's not a valid argument either.

Refurbs are for losers? So exactly how are you marketing your machines to your customers? You have by definition refurbished them. I hope you're not selling as new.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I am getting a really strong Tweakboy vibe here.

 

[waltchan]

I've taken notice of the cheap ($8) AMD AM3 X2 2.9-3.0 CPUs. I was looking at the ASRock "GC" AM2+/AM3/AM3+ mobo, for the reason that I could use the cheap 4GB AMD-only DDR2 sticks on ebay for under $10/stick. 8GB DDR2 for $15 or less, $8 CPU, $8-10 heatsink, $40-55 mobo, for a 3.0Ghz dual-core (without OCing).

Yes, that's a nice affordable approach you're doing. I'm not a biggest fan of ASRock's N68C-GS4 FX board due to lack of HDMI output, but for brand new paired with $5 AM2 processors and DDR2 is indeed the least-expensive you can buy as new (except CPU). And the board is still selling well today, surprisingly.

Are you so sure middle-class Americans are buying them, rather than refurb resellers?

And for someone claiming "refurbs are for losers"... what do you plan to call those PCs with SB mobos and CPUs?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Desk...D-Windows-7-/301737769481?hash=item4640f8fa09

Most of lower to middle-class Americans don't immediately buy brand-new PCs at stores. They usually buy refurbs with older processors. Or, if they're technical enough, they buy used AM2 boards and used AM2 processors. Some refurbs with today's processor sell for more money than brand new with discounts, and they mistakenly buy the refurbs instead thinking it's cheaper (remember Acer's Celeron J1900 refurbs on eBay?).

 

[waltchan]

Even ignoring the effort you have to go through to strip out the 4790/RAM and resell them, and assuming you get full expected price for them (and ignoring eBay fees, etc), you still have a non-functional system priced at $180. After you add the $40 Celeron, your machine is still going to lose, badly, to what I suggested above. And, at least for the next 4 months, my suggestion has a free upgrade to W10. So that's not a valid argument either.

Refurbs are for losers? So exactly how are you marketing your machines to your customers? You have by definition refurbished them. I hope you're not selling as new.

I want a brand new in box system where price is loss-leader with expensive CPU, and I can downgrade to a Celeron or Pentium that is still far cheaper than buying a refurb.

 

[escrow4]

I'd say this is what middle class Americans are buying:

http://www.amazon.com/E402MA-Intel-Laptop-Windows-64bit/dp/B015ZD6ZX2

- USB 3
- HDMI
- Gigabit
- Cheap
- Seriously cheap
- Acceptable screen

Does the basics just fine. Will die under a heavy duty desktop work, but for basic use that most put it through, mystery why you'd buy some old AM2 or AM3 crap.

 

[Yuriman]

^ That's what they're doing work on, but this is what they're using the other 90% of the time:

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MD531LL...c&ie=UTF8&qid=1456187670&sr=1-2&keywords=ipad

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yea, I am an old timer, and have been buying and watching others buy computers for more years than I like to think about. In all that time, I have never known anyone to buy even a refurb, much less some ancient parts and build a system with it. They bought desktops, Macs, and now laptops, tablets, and smartphones. New and with a warranty.

 

[daxzy]

I really don't understand bargain hunters (Walt's) snobbishness here. I think it's a well known fact that if you buy yesteryear's products (especially used), you will get much better value. This is true with pretty much all consumer products. To speak for the entire American middle class's PC spending habits is pretty pretentious.

 

[waltchan]

I really don't understand bargain hunters (Walt's) snobbishness here. I think it's a well known fact that if you buy yesteryear's products (especially used), you will get much better value. This is true with pretty much all consumer products. To speak for the entire American middle class's PC spending habits is pretty pretentious.

Well, we fear Bernie Sanders could win for president, and everyone has financial problem again.

Political comments in the cpu forum are inappropriate. Post in P&N or OT
Markfw900

 

[stockwiz]

Exactly... I don't need to worry about depreciation for G3470 due to loss leader sale I bought in first place. :sneaky: Thread closed...

Like mentioned already, every hobby gives diminished returns at the high end, and every hobby forum has posters who whine about the rich people who can afford the high end stuff. Why buy a decked out vehicle with leather heated seats, etc. for 33% more money when cloth seats and cheap hubcaps will do?

Honestly the $325 I spent on the 2600K in 2011 was money well spent.. the 6700K will likely last maybe not quite as long, maybe at this point I'd just buy a 6 core broadwell-E if I was going to upgrade, but it still puts out great performance... bottom line if you want the raw power, you don't really have anywhere else to turn but Intel/Nvidia at this point, so you will pay a bit extra. If everybody buys used, like in cars, nobody would buy new so who would you get your used parts from? I'm not gaming with a dual core haswell no matter how cheap it is because I bought something better.. 5 years ago.

This is why posting and getting upset about other people's spending habits and preferences is pointless and I try to catch myself and not do it.. you only upset yourself with your anger.. nobody else is really affected.. better off thinking positively and holding acceptance for others in your heart.. you'll feel much happier in the long term along with putting out a friendlier "vibe"... that or just posting cold, hard, logical, INTJ style which seems like it's "angry" to some people when it's just factual.