3870 X2 to 9800 GX2 very disappointed

[ajaidevsingh]

Ok i upgraded from 3870 X2 to a 9800 GX2. I uninstalled every ATI related and installed the 9800 GX2, everything went great i installed the drivers from NVIDIA website and ran crysis i got 25 fps "1600*1200" from 22 fps i get from 3870 x2 "Crysis is the main reason why i bought the 9800 GX2 how can i improve this fps score.!!"


Also, my system gets real hot when i play games "Not my GPU but my M/b and processer"
I am total confused about this heat problem?

Oh and how can i enable hardware encoding for video..

Lastly, should i sell my new XFX 9800 GX2 and use the old 3870 X2 till the R700 or Nvidia new car comes along??

EDIT- Bought new hardware go to page 2 for detail's and i used 8x AF for the above tests!!

 

[videopho]

Which Nvidia driver did you install?
Go to Nvidia site and d/l the latest version 174 if you have not done so.
Otherwise check your psu to see if it's up for the task.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

Had installed 174.53 got the 25 fps from that btw i am on HIGH settings on 1600*1200 resolution. Now i have installed 174.70 "these are BETA" got around 24 fps what the hell is wrong...!!! I am on:-

Athlon 4800+@2.8Ghz
9800 gx2
4GB ram
160gb+160gb RAID
XP

 

[LightningRider]

It's probably your processor, even Crytek recommended having an E6600+ for high settings on Crysis.

 

[AuDioFreaK39]

It's most definitely your processor. Consider my specs:

Abit IP35 Pro v1.1
Intel Celeron-L 430 @ 3.33GHz (temporary til Q9550)
EVGA GeForce 9800GX2 @ 720/1900/2300
4GB (4 x 1GB) Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2 8500 @ 940MHz 4-4-4-10
Vista Ultimate x64 / XP Professional x64

I'm getting around 25fps on custom tweaked Very High settings at 1280x1024. If you want to truly experience this game for all that it's worth, I would highly recommend tossing your motherboard and CPU and getting an Intel X38 chipset or NForce 790i with an E8400 or Q9450.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: AuDioFreaK39
It's most definitely your processor. Consider my specs:

Abit IP35 Pro v1.1
Intel Celeron-L 430 @ 3.33GHz (temporary til Q9550)
EVGA GeForce 9800GX2 @ 720/1900/2300
4GB (4 x 1GB) Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2 8500 @ 940MHz 4-4-4-10
Vista Ultimate x64 / XP Professional x64

I'm getting around 25fps on custom tweaked Very High settings at 1280x1024. If you want to truly experience this game for all that it's worth, I would highly recommend tossing your motherboard and CPU and getting an Intel X38 chipset or NForce 790i with an E8400 or Q9450.

He's running at 1600x1200 though. Couldn't that account for the disparity?

 

[ajaidevsingh]

Will a Phenom 9600 do or do i have to buy a new M/B and E6600??

 

[AuDioFreaK39]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
Will a Phenom 9600 do or do i have to buy a new M/B and E6600??

A Phenom 9600 might do, but don't take my word for it. Crytek worked with Intel specifically to develop the game for enhanced performance on Intel Core 2 processors.

Originally posted by: thilan29
He's running at 1600x1200 though. Couldn't that account for the disparity?

The 9800GX2 is actually optimized to run faster at higher resolutions. The presence of 1GB of memory is one of the many reasons that supports this claim.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

It seems i have to go INTEL after being loyal to AMD for about 3 years!!!

Will buy and install new m/b and cpu in 24 hrs and will update the thread of the progress.

 

[mikeblunt2020]

I haven't tried Crysis yet with this card but it seems to be doing quite well on everything I have tossed at it so far. Granted, the drivers are the initial release and we should be seeing some tweaked drivers shortly.

 

[AzN]

It's definitely not the processor. Crysis @ high detail is video card limited.

2 or 3 fps difference at most. Long as he's not running a single core processor he should be fine.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6182806/p-6.html

1600x1200, High Quality with 8800gtx
Core2 Extreme X6800 @ 2.93GHz
26fps
Core2 Extreme QX6700 @ 2.66GHz
26fps
Core2 Duo E6600 @ 2.40GHz
26fps
Core2 Duo E6300 @ 1.86GHz
26fps
Athlon 64 FX-60 @ 2.6GHz
25fps
Athlon 64 FX-60 @ 2.0 GHz
24fps
Athlon 64 4000+ @ 2.4 GHz
18fps

Perhaps your GPU isn't working in SLI mode.

You might want to reformat.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: AuDioFreaK39

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
Will a Phenom 9600 do or do i have to buy a new M/B and E6600??

A Phenom 9600 might do, but don't take my word for it. Crytek worked with Intel specifically to develop the game for enhanced performance on Intel Core 2 processors.

A Phenom probably wouldn't be a bottleneck as long as you keep the res high enough and OC it a bit.

Originally posted by: thilan29
He's running at 1600x1200 though. Couldn't that account for the disparity?

The 9800GX2 is actually optimized to run faster at higher resolutions. The presence of 1GB of memory is one of the many reasons that supports this claim.

What do you mean "optimized to run faster at higher resolutions"? Are you saying it will run faster at 1600x1200 compared to 1280x1024 if everything else stays the same? I'm pretty sure that's wrong.

The 1GB of memory only serves a purpose in the marketing world. The 9800GX2, like other multi-GPU cards is EXACTLY like running 2 separate cards. (ie.)You don't actually have 1GB of video memory that is used in the same way as something like one of those 8800GT cards with 1GB (one GPU can only write to 512mb of vram). The card essentially has 512mb of video memory. It's just that people like to claim it has 1GB since 1GB sounds better than 512mb.

It's the same as the number of GPUs on the card...do you consider the 9800GX2 to be ONE G92 core with double the specs or is it actually just 2 separate G92 cores?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
It seems i have to go INTEL after being loyal to AMD for about 3 years!!!

Will buy and install new m/b and cpu in 24 hrs and will update the thread of the progress.

Intel is definitely faster with their core 2 duo lineup. There's nothing wrong with your X2 though for gaming.

 

[angry hampster]

You're on high at 16x12? Do you have antialiasing turned on? It's certainly not your processor. I can run crysis smoothly with my 8800GT and 4800+ at 1440x900 with everything on high and no antialiasing.

 

[Sylvanas]

No need to buy new mobo and CPU as it won't make any difference at high rez. You would want to reformat first, fresh install of everything then go from there.

 

[evolucion8]

Hey, were talking about an AMD Dual Core CPU, people talk about it's gaming performance like if they're talking about Pentium 4's, of course Core 2 Duo is faster overall, but the margin difference is not much to talk about, specially on higher resolutions. Try to reformat and update all your drivers and check, if still the same (Considering that the GX2 driver is not mature yet) just send it back and use your old card until a real card upgrade appears, the differences between those cards aren't great enough to justify a spending of over $550.00

 

[Keysplayr]

Reinstall Windows over your current installation. Choose the "Repair Windows Installation" option. You still have some ATI files tucked away somewhere. I ran into the same problem when going from a 2400pro to a 7600GT. 7600GT should have wiped the floor with the 2400pro, but it actually did worse. So, I just "Repaired" the windows installation. It preserves all your programs and files. No formatting involved. But it DOES redetect all your systems hardware and starts off with a fresh configuration. You will need all drivers for your hardware after the repair. Chipset, sound card, NIC, Wireless if you have it, AMD CPU drivers if needed, and your GX2. And whatever other hardware you have.

After I did this, the 7600GT performed as I expected it to.

This is a last resort, mind you. I tried everything I could to clean out the registry. Driver Cleaner/Sweeper, manually. Still no good.
So, if nothing else works, this is a pretty safe option.

My 8800GTS640 did better than that in crysis, so you have problems there.

 

[nitromullet]

Very surprised to read this... I had a 3870X2, replaced it with dual GTs in SLI, and the GTs were notably smoother in Crysis.

Currently, I'm running a single 8800GTS 512.

Here is the GPU benchmark output running a single 8800GTS 512 (rig in sig) at 1600x1200, DX10, all High settings, 0xAA:

==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 60.87s, Average FPS: 32.86
Min FPS: 23.65 at frame 161, Max FPS: 39.89 at frame 979
Average Tri/Sec: 29989740, Tri/Frame: 912678
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.00
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 57.11s, Average FPS: 35.02
Min FPS: 23.65 at frame 161, Max FPS: 40.64 at frame 986
Average Tri/Sec: 32171842, Tri/Frame: 918621
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.00
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 56.79s, Average FPS: 35.22
Min FPS: 23.65 at frame 161, Max FPS: 40.64 at frame 986
Average Tri/Sec: 32383762, Tri/Frame: 919529
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.00
!TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
Play Time: 56.77s, Average FPS: 35.23
Min FPS: 23.65 at frame 161, Max FPS: 40.77 at frame 1014
Average Tri/Sec: 32370376, Tri/Frame: 918877
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.00
TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

...and that is with just about 'half' of the video card you have.

22fps at 1600x1200 looks to me like one of the gpus is not working, and your cpu is bottlenecking you a bit. ...unless you are trying to run Crysis with AA at 1600x1200, which just isn't a realistic expectation with any current hardware.

If you run the built in benchmark in Crysis, does it indicate "MGPU" in the on screen details?
What kind of motherboard are you running this on?

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
Also, my system gets real hot when i play games "Not my GPU but my M/b and processer"
I am total confused about this heat problem?

That's because the cooling system on the 9800GX2 (all nvidia cards to be exact) is flawed in their design that they do NOT reject the heat OUTSIDE of the chassis. Your previous card had the proper design. As the GPU's generate more heat (or the number of them per device increase) this becomes more and more of a problem.

If your system internal airflow is marginal or it is a compact chassis (HTPC) then a recirculative cooler is going to give major headaches.

 

[imported_wired247]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
Also, my system gets real hot when i play games "Not my GPU but my M/b and processer"
I am total confused about this heat problem?

That's because the cooling system on the 9800GX2 (all nvidia cards to be exact) is flawed in their design that they do NOT reject the heat OUTSIDE of the chassis. Your previous card had the proper design. As the GPU's generate more heat (or the number of them per device increase) this becomes more and more of a problem.

If your system internal airflow is marginal or it is a compact chassis (HTPC) then a recirculative cooler is going to give major headaches.

Truth...

make sure you have adequate case cooling with these GX2's

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
Ok i upgraded from 3870 X2 to a 9800 GX2. I uninstalled every ATI related and installed the 9800 GX2, everything went great i installed the drivers from NVIDIA website and ran crysis i got 25 fps "1600*1200" from 22 fps i get from 3870 x2 "Crysis is the main reason why i bought the 9800 GX2 how can i improve this fps score.!!"


Also, my system gets real hot when i play games "Not my GPU but my M/b and processer"
I am total confused about this heat problem?

Oh and how can i enable hardware encoding for video..

Lastly, should i sell my new XFX 9800 GX2 and use the old 3870 X2 till the R700 or Nvidia new car comes along??

Do you have a a fan or 2 knocking about that you could use to exhaust the heat out of your case itll make a huge diffrence as it sounds like you have trapped heat circulating, im not saying this your problem but its defo contributing to it.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

I have bought new M/B and CPU. An ASUS P5NT-Deluxe and an Q6600 and a 320 GB HDD. The damm thing locked up at first start but after a BIOS update for the motherboad it all worked "Installed Vista and Nvidia 174 drivers".

I have not tried any Benchmarks for now will try in an hour or so. BTW I totally love the LED's on the 9800 GX2 power connector's.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

New system-

Q6600
ASUS P5NT-Deluxe
320 GB HDD
Vista Basic
174.53
9800 Gx2
1200 W PSU
4GB ram

Crysis Avg. Rate 27 "Up from 25 fps" at 1600*1200 DX10. I am useing 8X AF as i used befour.
Hurra 2 FPS for the cost of a new M/b and processer.

Thinking of returning the 9800 GX2 as well as the ASUS P5NT and the dam Q6600... Crysis is F**KI*G just playable in this suppose to be high end rig.

The 320 HDD is brand new so the vista install was fresh. Crysis updated to 1.2 patch.

Ohh and another thing ASUS P5NT was locking up because of the Q6600 updated the BIOS not it seems to work fine...Will Install COD4 when i find the dam DVD's and update the result's.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: wired247

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
Also, my system gets real hot when i play games "Not my GPU but my M/b and processer"
I am total confused about this heat problem?

That's because the cooling system on the 9800GX2 (all nvidia cards to be exact) is flawed in their design that they do NOT reject the heat OUTSIDE of the chassis. Your previous card had the proper design. As the GPU's generate more heat (or the number of them per device increase) this becomes more and more of a problem.

If your system internal airflow is marginal or it is a compact chassis (HTPC) then a recirculative cooler is going to give major headaches.

Truth...

make sure you have adequate case cooling with these GX2's

Actually, its because your CPU generates heat when running crysis. Crysis is a heavy CPU user and it will cause your CPU to run at 100%. The GX2 has the best cooling solution nvidia has used in a while. Only the 8800GT uses a "cooling system" that blows heat back into the case. And even then, its not that big of a deal, just make sure your case is properly ventilated.
You should consider putting some 120mm fans in your case to make the case nice and cool.

You would have probably gotten a better performance boost by upgrading the CPU and keeping your 3870x2.
Anyways, the phenom is a joke. You want phenominal performance, buy a wolfdale or new intel quad. And yes, you will need to replace your motherboard.

 

[dadach]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
New system-

Q6600
ASUS P5NT-Deluxe
320 GB HDD
Vista Basic
174.53
9800 Gx2
1200 W PSU
4GB ram

Crysis Avg. Rate 27 "Up from 25 fps" at 1600*1200 DX10. I am useing 8X AF as i used befour.
Hurra 2 FPS for the cost of a new M/b and processer.

Thinking of returning the 9800 GX2 as well as the ASUS P5NT and the dam Q6600... Crysis is F**KI*G just playable in this suppose to be high end rig.

The 320 HDD is brand new so the vista install was fresh. Crysis updated to 1.2 patch.

Ohh and another thing ASUS P5NT was locking up because of the Q6600 updated the BIOS not it seems to work fine...Will Install COD4 when i find the dam DVD's and update the result's.

dude...take all that back while u can...you have just wasted a huge pile of cash for only 2 frames...old setup will be fine just dont crank it on very high