RussianSensation
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$240 XFX R9 290 with lifetime warranty upon registration within 30 days I believe. Hard to beat that deal unless you really want Batman AK at which point 970 at ~ $300 is also a good deal.
$240 XFX R9 290 with lifetime warranty upon registration within 30 days I believe. Hard to beat that deal unless you really want Batman AK at which point 970 at ~ $300 is also a good deal.
This is why this was a good idea for AMD to do, now reviewers will be using the R9 390, and 390x which have a proper cooler. It's sad this needs to be done to get reviewers to use more than just a reference 290/x
But they could have done this at any time before. Doing it in conjunction with the Fury launch was a bad idea, IMO, because it resulted in the launch of a solid new product being marred with the bad press from a bunch of rebrands.
As I have said before, what they should have done was released Tonga in September 2014 as the R9 380 (instead of the R9 285), and at the same time, released rebranded Hawaii (R9 390 and R9 390X). These cards would have been "virtual launches", just like the actual Tonga launch was, with no reference cards. Instead, AMD could send out good AIB cards (the Sapphire Tri-X would be the obvious choice) to reviewers. This would have served the same purpose of getting the old, throttled numbers off the charts. And it wouldn't have come off as nearly as much a cynical cash grab if they released 1 new chip at the same time as rebranding only 1 chip. They probably still wouldn't have stopped Nvidia from getting the performance crown with the GTX 980, but it would have been a lot closer call, and it might well have saved some sales.
AMD shouldn't have bothered rebadging their lower tier cards, unless OEMs demanded it, and if they did, then it should have been OEM-only releases while retail cards remained in the 200 series.
railven
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To my surprise, most of the reviews I read were actually positive. Sure, they harped on the rebrand but AMD managed to sneak in performance gains to make some of them editors ready to write the cards off eat some crow.
Shoot, I'll eat some crow - the 390/390X aren't as bad as they could have been. I wouldn't recommend it over discounted 290/290X but someone who wants "brand new" it is easier to recommend than expected.
is it surprising?
didnt you read and participate in this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37497021&postcount=141
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2436345&page=7
I hope you get infraction for this lie.
390X reviews were done 18th - earlier than Kitguru sample removal by amd.
Any conclusions made before the event couldn't be under the pressure of said event that will happen in future.
The only company that i know of which asks reviewers to stick to guide and quite strictly so, it is Nvidia. Not even Apple does it, and they have quite some hubris. Heck, even Intel which has been found again and again stuffing pockets of any and every company to take its products, even they don't ask for skewed reviews these days.
If you think AMD is wrong to deny a product to someone who's rather bent on giving a negative review, regardless of the product itself, then you need help. Why should AMD give their product to him? If they want to review, why can't they go buy their own cards? Surely, no one will stop him from buying and reviewing a card. The person in question was devoid of professional courtesy, and deserved nothing better really. Heck, AMD could have possibly been terse about it, but they weren't.
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AznAnarchy99
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I think this blew up when Fermi came around or so. I can't remember off the top of my head, but will look up for it. May be someone in the meantime with better memory could chip in.
railven
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Sure did, and I encourage AMD's practice. The less entitled reviewers get "free" samples, the better reviews can be.
But as someone noted, what does that thread have to do with the reviews on hand?
Also looks like the new 15.15 drivers are giving a nice performance boost. I would like to see some more tests of these new drivers
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Could be if AMD strongholds one site, they might be doing it to other sites?
Mabe that's what he meant.
I do find it odd no sites took a aftermarket 375$ 8gb 290x overclock it to 430$ 390x speeds and run test on both cards. Unless I missed the review? I did see the review when they downclocked the 390 but that's not very accurate for power and temps.
Take a tri-fan 290x 8gb for 375$ at Newegg. oh and a free game. Give it a 30mhz core bump and bump the memory up and you have a 390x with a free game for 55$ cheaper!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...02144&cm_re=r9_290_8gb-_-14-202-144-_-Product
But conspiracy theories are not really my thing.
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railven
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I don't think you know what that word means. And if you do, by all means link us to it.
Odd, finisher contradicts opener.
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Where I live, (rough neighborhood) it means "not giving you much choice"
Backed into a corner?
Ever here of strong arm robbery?
Are you tying to personally insult me, or do you not understand my point?
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railven said:
Could he have meant "strong-arms" ? That would seem more an appropriate term to describe what is happening.
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railven
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Well aware of his point, he used the wrong word, funnily enough he used the complete opposite of strong-arm.
Which brings us back to his post: which do you do, theorize or not?
Wow, really?
So you think personal attacks are appropriate?
Feel free to show everyone this lie I told. Seeing as my post was only a few words, it will be really hard for you to manipulate them into one
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I do find it odd no sites took a aftermarket 375$ 8gb 290x overclock it to 430$ 390x speeds and run test on both cards. Unless I missed the review? I did see the review when they downclocked the 390 but that's not very accurate for power and temps.
Take a tri-fan 290x 8gb for 375$ at Newegg. oh and a free game. Give it a 30mhz core bump and bump the memory up and you have a 390x with a free game for 55$ cheaper!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...02144&cm_re=r9_290_8gb-_-14-202-144-_-Product
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fixed, back on topic......anyone find it odd?
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Not really odd. One thing to note, R290/X can be very bad at vram OC if its got Elpida ram, mine won't even go above spec by 1mhz without getting worse results.
The HIS, Sapphire models so far are genuinely an improvement, since they run faster with more vram and use less power than R290X. The new coolers are definitely an improvement as well, lower temps, quieter.
But ultimately it is a higher clock/extra vram Hawaii, some models with better efficiency while MSI model has much worse. The main improvements seem to be from the drivers, where it fixes the NV neutering in GameWorks titles.
The HIS, Sapphire models so far are genuinely an improvement, since they run faster with more vram and use less power than R290X. The new coolers are definitely an improvement as well, lower temps, quieter.
But ultimately it is a higher clock/extra vram Hawaii, some models with better efficiency while MSI model has much worse. The main improvements seem to be from the drivers, where it fixes the NV neutering in GameWorks titles.
railven
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Holy cow, that MSI 390X is a pig! Woof, them military components must have not done their job. Time to move on to aerospace alloys.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_290X_Gaming/22.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_390X_Gaming/28.html
They must have a modified bios with higher TDP limits. Also higher vcore to push 1.1ghz. Not a wise idea as now they have one of the worse SKU compared to other AIBs that got higher performance with some power savings.
They use in house bios that bypass drivers apparently with all their Gaming series, this inflate the TDPs but allow them to display systematicaly the best scores, it s easier with Radeons since AMD allow full control of the TDPs limitations but they managed to do it with GT980s as well..
Yeah, MSI has been doing this for awhile.
The interesting part is how certain people would post the results of custom MSI gtx 970 cards to make all kinds of proclamations and now we have some of those same posters quick to point out how these custom MSI AMD cards are inflated because of their custom bios.
On the flip side, we now have posters pointing to charts of MSI custom 390(x)s.
The MSI 970s and 980 use more power than any other brand. The power consumption is higher but i dont think the difference with maxwell was anywhere near as dramatic as this 390x. I could be wrong on that. At the same time, this MSI 390x does perform really well when it comes to raw performance. But I would bet that most 390x models can overclock to the same speed.
I know the gm204 MSI custom cards usually performed well in raw performance as well. But i remember the difference between it and other custom cards being really small.
Case in point,
the MSI custom cards shouldnt be used to represent a series or model. The result obtained from an MSI version card only represent those specific MSI models.
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