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3700+ vs 3000+ venice

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entropy1982

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Hey guys, there is about a 150 price difference (?) between the 2 or something like that and i would just like to know what the benefits of the 3700 over the 3000 are if i plan to overclock and get the DFI motherboard which i hear overclocks better than the rest. How much performance would i actually gain with the 3700

Thanks
 
from everything i've read... the performance difference between a 3000+ overclocked to 3700+ speeds yield similar results... some programs do benefit from the extra cache but overall, IMO, the extra 512 isn't worth the $150 unless you really need every drop of performance...

and the price difference is more than $150 i believe...

the nice thing about getting the 3700+ also is that it has an 11x mult which makes overclocking ram easier (no need for dividers) while you'll be pushing the htt to the max with these dinky 3000+ (9x mult).... but using a divider doesn't hurt performance (check out zebo's thread)...

my vote... go venice! 🙂

money no issue... go san diego!
 
The extra cache of the 3700+ gives about and extra 3-5% performance clock per clock in most non gaming apps, and more in some of the newer games.

The biggest difference in IMO is that with the 3700+ overclocking to 2.7ghz or higher is pretty much a guarntee. With the 3000+ venice you may be able to clock just as high, but you may not, some seem to get stuck in the 2.3-2.4 range. With the 3000+ overclocking is more of a gamble.
 
Does anyone know the frequency of people buying 3000+ processors and getting stuck with below 2.5ghz by any chance?
thanks
 
Originally posted by: entropy1982
Does anyone know the frequency of people buying 3000+ processors and getting stuck with below 2.5ghz by any chance?
thanks
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It depends on the chip. You might get a really good one that'll overclock to 2.8 GHz, or a "retarded" one that they couldn't even make a 3500+ out of. Luck of the draw.

People tend to overclock the higher chips because it's more of a guarantee that they're the cream of the crop since they are already being sold at higher clock speeds.
 
If I were you I'd go for a 3200. It's only 30-40 more than the 3000 and it has a 10x multi which makes it much easier to reach higher clock speeds. I kind of wish I'd gone with a 3200 now. The 3700+ is a really nice chip, but the price difference isn't justified imo unless you have the cash to spend. My Winchester 3000 reaches 2.4 ghz with ease, and I'm happy with it.
 
i totally don't mind spending the extra 50 it's just according to many it seems like the 3200 doesn't overclock to higher speeds than the 3000+
 
Originally posted by: thegimp03
If I were you I'd go for a 3200. It's only 30-40 more than the 3000 and it has a 10x multi which makes it much easier to reach higher clock speeds. I kind of wish I'd gone with a 3200 now. The 3700+ is a really nice chip, but the price difference isn't justified imo unless you have the cash to spend. My Winchester 3000 reaches 2.4 ghz with ease, and I'm happy with it.
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I disagree. I regret getting a 3200+, because I can get both 271*10 and 302*9 as my max stable OC. I can actually get 8 MHz faster with a 9* multi. I have done 18 hours of Prime95 with both settings, and SuperPi 32M crashes at 272 * 10 and 303 * 9 (I run that first, because it only takes 25-30 minutes). This is with 1.575V. I can get higher with more volts, but I don't want to damage anything.

EDIT: Fixed a few numbers (302 * 9 - 271 * 10 = 8, not 2; SuperPi 32M takes 25-30 minutes, not 35-30 (typographical error)).
 
Got money? Then get the SD 3700+

Otherwise:

The key difference between buying the Venice 3000+ vs. 3200+ isn't the CPU, IMO. It's the mobo.
If you have a mobo like the DFI Lanparty, hitting a high HTT like 300 MHz is usually easy. Then i recommend the 3000+.
If you have a mobo that's not known for achieving high HTT speeds, then you should get the 3200+, since your mobo will likely hold you back.

Motherboard = most important part in every PC. I believe in basing all purchases around it.
 
Originally posted by: n7
Got money? Then get the SD 3700+

Otherwise:

The key difference between buying the Venice 3000+ vs. 3200+ isn't the CPU, IMO. It's the mobo.
If you have a mobo like the DFI Lanparty, hitting a high HTT like 300 MHz is usually easy. Then i recommend the 3000+.
If you have a mobo that's not known for achieving high HTT speeds, then you should get the 3200+, since your mobo will likely hold you back.

Motherboard = most important part in every PC. I believe in basing all purchases around it.
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How much more can i push out of an SD 3700+ than a 3000+ venice?

 
Originally posted by: entropy1982
Originally posted by: n7
Got money? Then get the SD 3700+

Otherwise:

The key difference between buying the Venice 3000+ vs. 3200+ isn't the CPU, IMO. It's the mobo.
If you have a mobo like the DFI Lanparty, hitting a high HTT like 300 MHz is usually easy. Then i recommend the 3000+.
If you have a mobo that's not known for achieving high HTT speeds, then you should get the 3200+, since your mobo will likely hold you back.

Motherboard = most important part in every PC. I believe in basing all purchases around it.
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How much more can i push out of an SD 3700+ than a 3000+ venice?
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200 MHz at the most I'd estimate.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: entropy1982
Originally posted by: n7
Got money? Then get the SD 3700+

Otherwise:

The key difference between buying the Venice 3000+ vs. 3200+ isn't the CPU, IMO. It's the mobo.
If you have a mobo like the DFI Lanparty, hitting a high HTT like 300 MHz is usually easy. Then i recommend the 3000+.
If you have a mobo that's not known for achieving high HTT speeds, then you should get the 3200+, since your mobo will likely hold you back.

Motherboard = most important part in every PC. I believe in basing all purchases around it.
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How much more can i push out of an SD 3700+ than a 3000+ venice?
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200 MHz at the most I'd estimate.
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Ah thanks for the quick reply jeff... 200 mhz is not worth 200 bux to me =)
 
Originally posted by: cobalt
Good luck to you! I'm running 2.7 on stock cooling with my week 17 Venice 3000+.
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Can you guys tell me which weeks are the good ones and how can i be sure to get a good week (if there is a way)?
 
The maximum CPU clock speed is HIGHLY dependent on the CPU...2.3GHz to 2.7GHz. There is no guarantee method for purchasing a good CPU.
 
WoW, Cobalt, that's a pretty darn good oc with that board.
I want to buy that board for my first build, but am wary about
it's stability. What probs did u have while installing? any advice?
 
i have a DFI NF3 Lanparty Ultra-D S939 with a venice 3000+. I got 2.54ghz on stock cooling, 1.6vcore.... i could get more but i got cheapo pc3200 ram.... so i have to use a 3:2 ratio...
 
supposedly my week (5/19) is below average, I got 2.6@1.485volts, with the dfi board, go with the 3000+, if you get a bum chip that can't overclock, sell it (on ebay you'll probably recoup your money), at most your down 20 bucks and you can buy another venice, the chances of getting 2 bum chips would be pretty low
 
Get the 3000+. To most people it will be overkill. I know my X2 is overkill at stock, and my 2.0 pentium is also overkill.
 
ZipZoomFly purchase 6 weeks ago!

A64 3000+ Venice Stepping:

A643000+ Venice @ 2700MHZ
LBBLE 0521 CPMW
300X9
DDR 2.5 3 3 6 1T @400MHZ
VCore 1.6
VDimm 2.8
Chaintech VNF4 Ultra w/ 05/18/05 Bios
 
update im running

A643000+ Venice @ 2430MHZ
LBBLE
270X9 - VCore 1.6 - VDimm 2.7
DDR 2.5 4 4 8 2T @440MHZ
changed mem divider to 6:5 to give me more bandwith.
 
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