368 job openings- 2.3m apply!

[Mai72]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/21/news/economy/india-government-jobs/index.html

If you knew 2.3m people were going to apply for only 368 positions would you even take the time to send in your resume?

 

[maddogchen]

if you don't have a job, why not? what you got to lose?

 

[OverVolt]

They advertised that position too much. Where you hear about a job is important. I've seen good, obscure jobs in the newspaper. Meanwhile they will advertise heavily for say... working at a new casino opening, and all the people applying drive down the salary.

So its actually important how you learned about the job. The more the job is advertised the more interested they are in hiring someone as cheap as possible, IMO. They paid money to advertise hoping it will pay dividends in hiring good people for cheap.

Its like the walmart that opened and got 23,000 applicants for 700 jobs, something like that. Everybody has heard of walmart. Everyone has seen what the job does. You never hear about a million people applying to work on a deep sea oil rig or something like that. And yet Walmart pays minimum wage.

I would imagine the ice road trucker and Alaskan crab fishing job market is completely borked. As is the CSI job market.

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

No, because I'm too awesome to be serving tea or being a rent-a-cop.

 

[Nograts]

They advertised that position too much. Where you hear about a job is important. I've seen good, obscure jobs in the newspaper. Meanwhile they will advertise heavily for say... working at a new casino opening, and all the people applying drive down the salary.

So its actually important how you learned about the job. The more the job is advertised the more interested they are in hiring someone as cheap as possible, IMO. They paid money to advertise hoping it will pay dividends in hiring good people for cheap.

Its like the walmart that opened and got 23,000 applicants for 700 jobs, something like that. Everybody has heard of walmart. Everyone has seen what the job does. You never hear about a million people applying to work on a deep sea oil rig or something like that. And yet Walmart pays minimum wage.

I would imagine the ice road trucker and Alaskan crab fishing job market is completely borked. As is the CSI job market.

That's pretty s-m-r-t right thur. I wish I had thought of that before I picked my job

 

[rh71]

They advertised that position too much. Where you hear about a job is important. I've seen good, obscure jobs in the newspaper. Meanwhile they will advertise heavily for say... working at a new casino opening, and all the people applying drive down the salary.

So its actually important how you learned about the job. The more the job is advertised the more interested they are in hiring someone as cheap as possible, IMO. They paid money to advertise hoping it will pay dividends in hiring good people for cheap.

Its like the walmart that opened and got 23,000 applicants for 700 jobs, something like that. Everybody has heard of walmart. Everyone has seen what the job does. You never hear about a million people applying to work on a deep sea oil rig or something like that. And yet Walmart pays minimum wage.

I would imagine the ice road trucker and Alaskan crab fishing job market is completely borked. As is the CSI job market.

If you were a serious company looking to hire someone, you want as large an audience as possible because you want to find the most qualified candidate. Using a program, you can already sort through a large number of them.

What you stated only applies for crap retail jobs and the like. Do you know anyone in something like IT looking for jobs in the paper?

 

[Ruptga]

if you don't have a job, why not? what you got to lose?

The time it takes to fill out five+ pages of application? Why bother when you're facing that kind of odds, it's better to just keep looking for something you have a real chance of getting. It's the same reason I don't play the lottery; sure it costs me basically nothing, just a few dollars, but expecting a payout on that is not realistic.

 

[Ns1]

details, they matter.

It also underscores the premium that millions of Indians still place on working for the government. State jobs come with good benefits, relatively high pay and, thanks to strict labor laws, often last for a lifetime.

For many Indians, the combination is a huge draw.

"Yes, that allure is there," said Kunal Kumar Kundu, India economist at Societe Generale. Government jobs are prized for their pensions, which offer financial security in a country that lacks adequate social security programs, he said.

 

[maddogchen]

The time it takes to fill out five+ pages of application? Why bother when you're facing that kind of odds, it's better to just keep looking for something you have a real chance of getting. It's the same reason I don't play the lottery; sure it costs me basically nothing, just a few dollars, but expecting a payout on that is not realistic.

As an unemployed person, you have plenty of time on your hands. On the other hand, I would not recommend playing the lottery if you are unemployed, because you definitely don't have plenty of money in your hands.

 

[SKORPI0]

368 tea servers and night guards

:biggrin:

 

[Mai72]

They advertised that position too much. Where you hear about a job is important. I've seen good, obscure jobs in the newspaper. Meanwhile they will advertise heavily for say... working at a new casino opening, and all the people applying drive down the salary.

So its actually important how you learned about the job. The more the job is advertised the more interested they are in hiring someone as cheap as possible, IMO. They paid money to advertise hoping it will pay dividends in hiring good people for cheap.

Its like the walmart that opened and got 23,000 applicants for 700 jobs, something like that. Everybody has heard of walmart. Everyone has seen what the job does. You never hear about a million people applying to work on a deep sea oil rig or something like that. And yet Walmart pays minimum wage.

I would imagine the ice road trucker and Alaskan crab fishing job market is completely borked. As is the CSI job market.

Nicely put. I never thought of it like that.

 

[Imp]

The time it takes to fill out five+ pages of application? Why bother when you're facing that kind of odds, it's better to just keep looking for something you have a real chance of getting. It's the same reason I don't play the lottery; sure it costs me basically nothing, just a few dollars, but expecting a payout on that is not realistic.

That was my last employer except it wasn't five pages of a questionnaire, it was 5 pages of a complete bullshit essay on why you're qualified. All of it filled with keyword dropping -- keywords required just to get through the computer filter and to allow the hiring people to score your application AND defend it to HR. Hours to apply to one position, dozens of applicants per position. Been working in that office, doing the job for 6+ months? Still gotta write it. Fuck that.

 

[lupi]

High demand for the lowly jobs suggests that all is far from well in India's labor market, which gets one million new workers each month.


lol, yikes

 

[Ruptga]

As an unemployed person, you have plenty of time on your hands. On the other hand, I would not recommend playing the lottery if you are unemployed, because you definitely don't have plenty of money in your hands.

So since I have lots of free time I should spend it on high cost low payoff opportunities, because the cost part is meaningless for me? You're still ignoring the low reward aspect. Work smarter not harder, that ring a bell? When you're unemployed you get ahead by getting hired, not by submitting the most applications.

 

[Sonikku]

They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and not be so lazy.

 

[maddogchen]

So since I have lots of free time I should spend it on high cost low payoff opportunities, because the cost part is meaningless for me? You're still ignoring the low reward aspect. Work smarter not harder, that ring a bell? When you're unemployed you get ahead by getting hired, not by submitting the most applications.

LOL, spending time to fill out a job application is high cost? You talk as if its going to take you hours of time to fill out an application. Its not. When you're unemployed looking for a job, you aren't spending 5 days a week filling out job applications. You probably only spend maybe 1 full day.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." Who said that famous line?

 

[Ruptga]

LOL, spending time to fill out a job application is high cost? You talk as if its going to take you hours of time to fill out an application. Its not. When you're unemployed looking for a job, you aren't spending 5 days a week filling out job applications. You probably only spend maybe 1 full day.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." Who said that famous line?

Yeah, it takes forever to fill out many applications because there are so many applicants and management just feeds them all through a computer so they don't care how long they are. However you seem intent on fixating on that so you can ignore my actual point. How long it takes is not real important because it is more of an annoyance than a true problem, if we disagree on that it is only in your head. The problem is the second part that I already spelled out, and won't bother typing out again. Anyone that thinks trying to compete with millions or even thousands of people for a few jobs is ever a good idea does not understand statistics. They are much better off looking for another job to apply to, because that will get them hired faster. But please, don't let that stop you from quoting irrelevant cliches and looking down on me for saying things I didn't say.

 

[maddogchen]

Yeah, it takes forever to fill out many applications because there are so many applicants and management just feeds them all through a computer so they don't care how long they are. However you seem intent on fixating on that so you can ignore my actual point. How long it takes is not real important because it is more of an annoyance than a true problem, if we disagree on that it is only in your head. The problem is the second part that I already spelled out, and won't bother typing out again. Anyone that thinks trying to compete with millions or even thousands of people for a few jobs is ever a good idea does not understand statistics. They are much better off looking for another job to apply to, because that will get them hired faster. But please, don't let that stop you from quoting irrelevant cliches and looking down on me for saying things I didn't say.

I'm saying apply to ALL the jobs you qualify for. Which includes this one and that other job. It increases your chance of getting a call back. If there are 10 jobs available and person 1 applies for all 10 and person 2 only applies for the 2 jobs that he thinks he has the highest chance, its person 1 that has a higher chance of getting a response. Even if its only just slightly higher. Does person 2 have a better chance at getting a response to the 2 jobs because thats the only two he applied to? no.

And PS. You're the one who started the cliches with your stuck up snobby attitude

 

[Ruptga]

I'm saying apply to ALL the jobs you qualify for. Which includes this one and that other job. It increases your chance of getting a call back. If there are 10 jobs available and person 1 applies for all 10 and person 2 only applies for the 2 jobs that he thinks he has the highest chance, its person 1 that has a higher chance of getting a response. Even if its only just slightly higher. Does person 2 have a better chance at getting a response to the 2 jobs because thats the only two he applied to? no.

You're not wrong, but my entire point is that it's about more than those numbers. You're assuming person 2 is applying to two jobs that person 1 also found. I'm saying that if you don't waste your time chasing dead ends you will find different (better) opportunities. Who knows you and what you know are much bigger factors than the number applied to, especially these days with massive computerized hiring procedures. 2 50% chances are actually better odds than 10 10% chances.

And PS. You're the one who started the cliches with your stuck up snobby attitude

We're probably not going to change each other's minds about that, but consider the possibility that this is a classic cliche: "As an unemployed person, you have plenty of time on your hands." What's practically always being implied by that statement is even more cliche, that unemployed people just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and not be so lazy. Working smarter is not a sign of laziness.

 

[smackababy]

Why would you not apply? I don't care if there is a single opening in all of the US. If you need a job, you should be applying. It costs you so little time to do it, there is no reason to do it.

 

[MongGrel]

My girlfriend in high school actually graduated a year after I went in the Marines in 1980 and was a tea server at a high end bank in when she moved to London.

Seemed to work out for her in the long run, heh.

Go figure.

She was pretty hot, of course how she got there and married a client of the bank.

 

[MongGrel]

I've given up applying to anything these days.

Oh well.

 

[ninaholic37]

Why would you not apply? I don't care if there is a single opening in all of the US. If you need a job, you should be applying. It costs you so little time to do it, there is no reason to do it.

Because applications are frustrating, have questions you either can't answer or are too black-and-white, ask details you don't want to talk about, and turn you into a raging homicidal maniac. Unless your life dream is to get a job filling out forms and doing paperwork all day, it can be a very depressing and unpleasant experience, which can lead to all sorts of violent crimes and accidents and brain damage or [insert other unhappy things] that would've never happened otherwise

 

[elitejp]

I think im gonna have to agree with the guy thats unemployed and looking for a job. As I see it the application is the easy part. Its not like your redoing your resume everytime an ideal job offer comes around. Your resume stays basically the same. I say send it in. You havent lost a thing.