365 day OBAMA evaluation W/poll

How do you vote for Obama leading the nation?

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ericlp

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So... I've said recently that I like Obama and it was too early to tell if the guy was going to make the right changes.

I think he is on the right track but taking on way too much then he can chew. I am a bit frustrated on few major points...

1) Jobs. That should have been the focus ... top #1.

2) Money being spent. Bailing out banks and automotive. I don't agree with.

3) Health Care. I think it should be scrapped and started over. It's been revised so many times that whatever good was in it has been stripped and the agenda is just a big waste. I was all for Health care for everyone across the board no matter what your situation. But I don't support the bill after it's been revised a million times to try to get 1 republican asshole to vote for it.

4) CORPORATE lobbying... Obama did a few good things to try to curb it. But, I think lobbyist's are just giving all the money to "R's" to block obama... Corruption at it's finest. How much money can we pay a congress "R" to say no?

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I think Obama should have just done it in little steps got a few little things passed and kept chipping away till he finally got what he wanted. I just don't think he's going about it right. I'm all for the stem cell research, and science research that he has in place.

A lot of money has been pumped into green tech. I like that idea but I think he could have done a much better job trying to pump money into fixing the grid instead of just green.

Tho, it's not helping him that 100% of the "R's" are blocking him at every move. 100% is just bad luck for anyone. I know "R's" are still sore about losing to bush but 100%?

I think Obama just ran into a lot of bad luck. The next 3 years ought to be interesting.
 

Blackjack200

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How do I think Obama is doing in an absolute sense? F

How is he doing relative to the alternative? A+
 

JEDIYoda

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How do I think Obama is doing in an absolute sense? B-

How is he doing relative to the alternative? A+
 
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Honestly, who, really, who could have done anything as split as the country is, let alone D.C.
No I am not making excuses, I am disappointed by the lack of progress we've made (or haven't made) this past year. But he was handed the biggest flaming sack of dogshit any president has been handed and been told to put it out yesterday.
Short of someone coming into D.C. killing everyone but themselves, declaring themself king (or queen), we are stuck. Too many people are pulling in too many directions. The previous administration was able to push through damn near anything, and had less of a majority.
I am deeply saddened by the lack of unity the dems have offered up this past year, and I really doubt we'll see any change. Career politicians =! real world citizens. They live in a bubble of security and benefits many of us will never see. We need someone who isn't a career politician in the office of white house or at least the heads of every department.
We've pretty much failed as a country and now we're seeing the results of the failure. I don't have a solution, but I'm just a peon when it comes down to it.
People in office don't care if I live or die, just as long as my taxes are paid and I vote for them, between those two times, I don't mean a single thing to them, and that's the damn truth.
 

shiner

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Honestly I haven't seen him doing that much leading.

He gives a great speech, but leadership? Not seeing it. He seems content to sit back and let the middle management do all the work.
 

Blackjack200

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Honestly I haven't seen him doing that much leading.

He gives a great speech, but leadership? Not seeing it. He seems content to sit back and let the middle management do all the work.

What do you mean exactly by "leading"?
 

PJABBER

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It seems this topic has been discussed ad nauseum, but let me make another contribution to the maelstrom.

From one of my favorite pundits -
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December 30, 2009, 4:00 a.m.

Our Year of Obama

Obama is in a great race: Can he remake America before the next elections?


By Victor Davis Hanson

America is at a day of reckoning that it never quite expected to face.

Not long ago, tired of eight years of Republican rule, terrified by the September 2008 financial panic, unimpressed by the campaign of John McCain, and mesmerized by the hope-and-change elixirs and landmark candidacy of Barack Obama, the American people voted for change.

But change of what sort?

I think voters wanted an end to the Bush deficits. Big government and Wall Street insiders sickened them. They were tired of the expense of two wars. By 2006, the scandals of the Republican Congress had turned them off. But mostly voters just wanted an end to the shrill politics that had torn the country in two.

Barack Obama saw all that. So he gave the crowds what they wanted: promises of vetoes of wasteful spending, no more lobbyists, an honest Congress for once, financial sobriety, and no more red-state/blue-state, at-your-throat politics. For millions of believers, Obama was to be our version of Truman or Eisenhower — centrist competence, but spiced up with 21st-century postracial pizzazz.

The people took Obama at his word, and here we are a year later with the largest drop in popularity of a first-year president in poll-taking history. A clear majority of the country is now opposed to almost all of the Obama program — more stimuli, bailouts, deficits, and takeovers; statist health care; cap-and-trade; and therapeutic-apology/reset-button diplomacy abroad.

I think it is a fair generalization to say that both the Right and the Left agree that Obama ran as a moderate in order to move America sharply to the left. The former calls it perfidy; the latter, necessary politics to achieve the desired ends. So what we now have is a progressive, grass-roots populist who is doing his best to obfuscate his own goals and ignore the desires of the great majority of the people.

BREAD AND CIRCUSES

Despite his obfuscation, the American people are starting to see a common thread in almost everything Obama does, from the significant to the trivial. The purpose of health-care reform was not really to lower medical costs and broaden access. The current system could have been tweaked to do just that with more intrastate insurance competition, tax credits, modest state grants, and tort reform.

Instead, the real aim was to create a vast new trillion-dollar bureaucracy, staffed by hundreds of thousands of new government auditors and clerks, and necessitating new redistributive taxes to pay for it. The more numerous such government workers, the more plentiful the loyal constituents who receive and hand out more government entitlements — look at the public-employee unions, higher taxes, and resulting financial implosion in California. And the more the “good” people receive, the more the other, “bad” people must pay — and that way we can remedy the unfair and arbitrary nature of individual compensation.

Cap-and-trade proposals are similar. We could have had an honest debate on both the nature of climate change and the catalysts for it. The public could have been apprised by our leaders about the Climategate scandal. Concerns could have been aired about the disturbing conflict-of-interest pattern of international green advocates like Al Gore, who are increasingly combining doomsday sermonizing with old-style multimillion-dollar profit-making. The trade-off of higher carbon taxes in a recessionary economy should have been explored.

Instead, the Obama administration has asserted, not explained, climate change. It has even hinted that if future green legislation is blocked in Congress, then some of it may be implemented by executive fiat through the Environmental Protection Agency. Once again, we should expect new government agencies and thousands more government employees — all working in concert with their foreign counterparts to monitor American energy use.

On the dubious claims that man himself is alone responsible for any heating of the planet and alone can stop such change with radical changes in his daily lifestyle, the Obama administration wants to see to it that the average consumer will have less disposable income and less choice — but we will have more government elites sermonizing about what is deemed correct and tolerable.

THE CHICAGO WAY

On the trivial side, the exhortations of many of Obama’s appointees reflect this world-view — which is innately unpopular with the American people, but nonetheless felt necessary for their well-being.

Former communications director Anita Dunn praises not just any mass murderer, but the greatest and most statist of them all, Mao Zedong. Van Jones, the Truther, talks proudly of his Communist past and the need to castigate whites for their assorted illiberal sins. At the National Endowment for the Arts, where good politics is now equated with good art, Obama is to be an iron-fisted populist Caesar whose intellectual and political powers are put to the service of the populus. Rahm Emanuel plays the enforcer and threatens the unbelieving with warnings that Obama will have a long memory, and that none of these crises will go to waste.

Like the rejection of public campaign financing last summer, almost all of Obama’s promises of reforms — no more lobbyists, health-care debates aired on C-SPAN, legislation posted on the Internet — have been ignored as impediments on the path to a universal equality of result. Obama’s various assertions are as much to be believed as were his supposed deadlines on the closing of Guantanamo, Iran’s nuclear compliance, and health-care reform.

The old congressional “culture of corruption” has been replaced by the well-meaning efforts of Charlie Rangel, Chris being Chris Dodd, and cranky uncle John Murtha. Controversial decisions are quietly announced late on Friday afternoons. Congressional debates and votes on controversial legislation happen on weekends and holidays — all the better to ensure that the American people won’t tune in to see the making of what they don’t want but must have. Chicago-style bribery buys the votes of senators like Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu with tens of millions of taxpayers’ dollars.

OBAMA’S GUARDIANS


Here we are one year later in a great race. By almost any means necessary, Barack Obama is trying to remake America at home and abroad before he is stopped by the 2010 and 2012 elections. He knows that his agenda is not what he ran on, and not what the American people want, but it is one nevertheless achievable by majorities in both houses of Congress, despite his own waning popularity.

Obama quite simply believes that those like himself — Ivy League–trained, having spent their lifetimes on government payrolls, untainted by private-enterprise entrepreneurship — not only know best what is good for America, but understand how to implement it through redistributive taxation and vastly expanded entitlements.

In such a vision of the blessed, a Platonic guardian class — so much better educated, better intentioned, better motivated than the rest of us — will direct our lives and yet be exempt from the constraints they place on the less capable.

Our Al Gores to come will still fly on private jets. The next progressive John Edwards, of two-nations fame, and more Tom Friedmans, of hot-and-flat warnings, will appear, still living in carbon-spewing mansions.

More well-meaning Timothy Geithners will dodge their taxes. The Larry Summerses and Robert Rubins of the brave new world will still make millions in a year for their Wall Street expertise while damning fat-cat bankers. Bill Clinton will reemerge to make tens of millions more while talking up his global initiatives.

The wealthiest man on the planet — and the man with the biggest tax-exempt foundation — will support more inheritance taxes, as Bill Gates has been advocating. The second wealthiest, the Warren Buffett of the future, will want higher taxes, whose steep rates the actual Mr. Buffett has so successfully managed thus far to avoid. Such is always the way of the guardian class, from Platonic fantasy to its darker manifestations as so aptly depicted by Orwell.

THE OLD AMERICA

And what will be lost if this race is won by the Obamians?

Consider: The reason that Obama himself enjoys such international stature, such ability to weigh in on matters insignificant and monumental, is not his teleprompted rhetoric nor his utopian world-view. Instead, Obama’s own singularity is tied to an exceptional United States that has always been different and, in the end, far more moral and powerful than the alternatives.

Almost alone in the world, America has never had a command or socialist economy. Its old creed was merit, and confidence in the freedom of the individual to run his own life rather than being told what to do by the state apparat. Its Constitution was antithetical not only to monarchy, but also to Enlightenment statism of the European 18th-century brand.

Freedom of the individual explained not only why America became wealthy and the world’s dispossessed flocked to our shores, but also why it had a moral sense about the world in its willingness to confront, rather than appease and apologize to, thugs and totalitarians. Everything that the United Nations Human Rights Council is now for, we used to be against. “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” has now been replaced by égalité and fraternité.

The final irony is that should Obama and his revolutionaries prevail in their remaking of America, their own progeny will not enjoy the opportunity and affluence that they so cavalierly take to be their birthright, which was bequeathed to them by less liberal others.

— Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and the editor of the forthcoming Makers of Ancient Strategy: From the Persian Wars to the Fall of Rome. He is a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.
 

shiner

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Jul 18, 2000
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What do you mean exactly by "leading"?

The act of leading.

He doesn't seem to do much of that. Rather than come out and say "this is the direction we're going" and then work to get everyone to see his vision and follow him he comes out and says "this is the direction I would like to go" and then punts.

A leader would take his vision and work night and day to make sure people understood it and wanted to get in line behind him to get what he wants accomplished. Like I said earlier, he is good at giving a speech full of ideas, but he to realize that if he wants those ideas to come to fruition he needs to roll up his sleeves and personally get involved in the nitty gritty to make sure they happen rather than let Reid and Pelosi become the de facto leaders in crafting/implementing his vision.

Basically right now he is what my Dad would call "All talk, little do."
 

shiner

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It seems this topic has been discussed ad nauseum, but let me make another contribution to the maelstrom.

From one of my favorite pundits -

Whew....am I glad I made my Wall of Text saving throw.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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The act of leading.

He doesn't seem to do much of that. Rather than come out and say "this is the direction we're going" and then work to get everyone to see his vision and follow him he comes out and says "this is the direction I would like to go" and then punts.

A leader would take his vision and work night and day to make sure people understood it and wanted to get in line behind him to get what he wants accomplished. Like I said earlier, he is good at giving a speech full of ideas, but he to realize that if he wants those ideas to come to fruition he needs to roll up his sleeves and personally get involved in the nitty gritty to make sure they happen rather than let Reid and Pelosi become the de facto leaders in crafting/implementing his vision.

Basically right now he is what my Dad would call "All talk, little do."

I agree, I think it's hard for him to directly influence congress with so little tenure in D.C.

But I pretty much agree with what you've said, he just needs to use different techniques. He needs to single people out and call them out in the media for blocking progress, and he needs to do it on both sides of the aisle. Sadly, it seems like he doesn't have the guts for it.
 

PokerGuy

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Jul 2, 2005
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I'd have to give him an F-. He's kept the bad things from the previous administration, and added more all new terrible things.

OP: on #4, I hate to burst your little bubble, but you do realize that Obama pulled in more corporate money than anyone else ever, right?
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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I'm relatively happy with what Obama has done, which is essentially nothing. He could have been much worse.
 

CPA

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Nov 19, 2001
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I'd have to give him an F-. He's kept the bad things from the previous administration, and added more all new terrible things.

OP: on #4, I hate to burst your little bubble, but you do realize that Obama pulled in more corporate money than anyone else ever, right?

C'mon we all know that the rich and corporations support the Repubs.
 

bfdd

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Feb 3, 2007
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Where's the "we have a new president?" option? I mean nothing has really changed except which party is bitching about the other party in power.
 

StageLeft

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Mostly he is pretty useless so far and uninspiring, useless, forgettable. I would give him a C which means that he's been basically spinning his wheels/doing very little but doesn't get an F because he hasn't yet committed the country to any new wars.
 

Balt

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I would say he's not really leading us in ANY direction whatsoever, so I chose 'wrong direction'.

I would still vote for him over McCain/Palin though.
 

BoberFett

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True, he could have been McCain/Palin

We should have added a Vice MILF position to the ticket and let Palin run with Obama and Biden. As long as she wasn't allowed to talk and had no real power, I wouldn't mind seeing her in the nude... errr, news every now and then.
 

JEDIYoda

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Jul 13, 2005
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It'd be great if he resigned. He is no leader, just a cheerleader.

It would be great if myou would crawl back under the rock you came from....aren`t you the one who had your last thread about Obama locked because you were full of shit???
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
Jul 13, 2005
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Mostly he is pretty useless so far and uninspiring, useless, forgettable. I would give him a C which means that he's been basically spinning his wheels/doing very little but doesn't get an F because he hasn't yet committed the country to any new wars.

God forbid had the Mccain /Palin ticket won....
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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There was something on cnn on campaign promises vs what he's done ...can't find it ATM but he got something like 39% which is an F in my book, not the B+ he gave himself.
 

ericlp

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Well, this probably has been discussed a few times but since he's been in office for 1/4 of his term I felt that being this forum tends to lead to the left a few degrees, it would be interesting to see how it changed...
 

JEDIYoda

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Well, this probably has been discussed a few times but since he's been in office for 1/4 of his term I felt that being this forum tends to lead to the left a few degrees, it would be interesting to see how it changed...

It has not changed a bit!!
The forum still leans towards the left.
The outsploken ones are those who never voted for Obama in the first place!

Yet mark my words there will be one who will say I voted for Obama and I got screwed!!--lol
 

alchemize

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Mar 24, 2000
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While I think he's better than Bush (and maybe better than McCain/Palin), he's not much better. He's just owned by a different set of special interests. Politics are completely broken in this country because of the two party system and the massive powers granted to the Federal Govt. Our country has been moving in the wrong direction for quite some time, and I voted he is continuing that.
 
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