36% of Americans Doubt Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

[TruePaige]

Patranus is trolling again?

I'm shocked. Truly.

 

[Colt45]

1010 people is a pretty small sample for a country of >300M.

Also,

found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves.

and

found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves.

Are two very different concepts. A says bush and cheney hit the switch, whereas B says it's possible that someone warned the govn't, and no action was taken. Quite different. A is a conspiracy theory, B is quite believable.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Avalon
It doesn't say 36% of Democrats, it says 36% of Americans. I'm also calling shens on that number. Out of maybe a hundred people I know, I think maybe one is conspiracy leaning.

I would also call shens because say I do a random sampling of say 100,000 people and then i do another of a completely different 100,000 well there are no odds that the breakdown will be the exact same or even remotely close to the same!!

called statistics, and in order to compare the two populations you must use a formula in order to compare different sized samples, it will never allow you to reject the original poll, it will only allow you to say you do not accept it.

rolf........statistics can eb manipulated and when it comes to polls no 2 polls are exactly alike!!
Thats called -- FACT!!

 

[miniMUNCH]

I seriously don't like the official 9/11 story... the comission was full errors, inaccuracies, and likely blatant untruths... read the commission report, it stinks to high hell... high fucking hell.

In some respects it makes the Warren commission report look like the investigative technical report of the century.

 

[kaiser03]

Well, there is a huge difference between did they know something was going to happen or were they behind it and this poll seems to cater to both responses. That alone gives you your high number. There is a big gap going from Was the government inept crowd and the 911 truthers.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Colt45
...carried out the attacks themselves....

and

...allowed the attacks to be carried out...

Are two very different concepts. A says bush and cheney hit the switch, whereas B says it's possible that someone warned the govn't, and no action was taken. Quite different. A is a conspiracy theory, B is quite believable.

Actually, neither necessarily implies a belief that Bush or Cheney had any involvement by any means, but rather simply some faction of government officials.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Firebot
How the hell does 36% of Americans = 36% of Democrats.

I kind of like the sound of that.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: RedChief

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Well, there is a huge difference between did they know something was going to happen or were they behind it and this poll seems to cater to both responses. That alone gives you your high number. There is a big gap going from Was the government inept crowd and the 911 truthers.

Bin Laden determined to strike in US

Terrible attempt at framing Democrats in a poor light like the birthers.

If you actually would read the memo you would see that the only thing that memo had in relation to 9/11 is Bin Laden wanted to attack the US. NOTHING else in that memo was close to 9/11.

That memo was the main warning they had before 911 and were briefed about it 1 month before the attack. Twist it however you want but it is relevant. They were warned an attack might happen and didn't take it seriously.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Colt45
1010 people is a pretty small sample for a country of >300M.

Also,

found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves.

and

found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves.

Are two very different concepts. A says bush and cheney hit the switch, whereas B says it's possible that someone warned the govn't, and no action was taken. Quite different. A is a conspiracy theory, B is quite believable.

That was the point I made, I believe in B myself. The party that claims they are the only ones who can protect us was warned and they dropped the ball. Option A of course covers the 911 truthers, but the poll makes no distinction.

Btw, if you want a reminder of that ineptness we always have My Pet Goat

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: kaiser03
dies bush die

I believe it's still a crime to threaten a former president, no?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: Patranus
36% of Democrats Believed Bush Was Behind 9-11 in a poll conducted in 2006.

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1531304,00.html

How is this any different than the "birther" movement which only garners the support of 22% of the GOP?

Last time I checked 22% < 36%...So which party is really a "fringe" party the one with the "truthers" or "birthers?

There are crack heads in both parties...but it appears that the Democrats have more...

No Democratic members introduced bills into congress condoning the rantings of the crackpots

cough....cough....birther bill....cough!

Sorry, your shit stinks too. Cynthia McKinney.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: kaiser03
dies bush die

I believe it's still a crime to threaten a former president, no?

Damn. Then why aren't there MILLIONS of people in prison, right now?

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: kaiser03
dies bush die

I believe it's still a crime to threaten a former president, no?

Where did you get that quote from? I can't find it; I was about to inform my friends in the Secret Service, just to do a quick scare of the pussy.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Avalon
It doesn't say 36% of Democrats, it says 36% of Americans. I'm also calling shens on that number. Out of maybe a hundred people I know, I think maybe one is conspiracy leaning.

Correct. I was wrong. <--- as If you didn`t already know...rofl


However, since the original poll states that

The poll found that a majority of young adults give at least some credence to a 9/11 conspiracy compared to less than a fourth of people 65 or older. Members of racial and ethnic minorities, people with only a high school education and Democrats were especially likely to suspect federal involvement in 9/11.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: kaiser03
dies bush die

I believe it's still a crime to threaten a former president, no?

Damn. Then why aren't there MILLIONS of people in prison, right now?

There are MILLIONS of people in prison right now. What's your point? Is this your roundabout way of saying you are one of the 36%?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: kaiser03
dies bush die

I believe it's still a crime to threaten a former president, no?

Where did you get that quote from? I can't find it; I was about to inform my friends in the Secret Service, just to do a quick scare of the pussy.

Mods must have binned it.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Colt45
1010 people is a pretty small sample for a country of >300M.

A common error among people who are not familiar with statistics and polling.

The size of the nation is irrelevant to the accuracy of the poll - 300 million or 300 trillion.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Zogby Poll Article - Poll conducted August, 2007
Specific Poll Breakouts(pdf)

There are three main schools of thought regarding the 9/11 attacks. The first theory is the official story, and maintains that 19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard. The second theory known as Let It Happen argues that certain elements in the US government knew the attacks were coming but consciously let them proceed for various political, military and economic motives; and the third theory Made It Happen contends that certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks. Based upon your knowledge of 9/11 events and their aftermath, which theory are you more likely to agree with?

Only 4.8 percent of the respondents agreed that members of the United States government "actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attack."


Not surprising tp me, 72% of the "Let It Happen" are age 18-24 (and 72% of the 55-69 age group believe it is the "Official Story").

More Fun Facts:

Race Breakout: % of Race Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Whites - - - - - 25.6%
Hispanics- - - - 49.5%
Blacks - - - - - 43.8%
Asians - - - - - 44.0%


Income Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

< $25K - - - - - 50.0%
$25-35K - - - - 48.3%
$35-50K - - - - 28.2%
$50-75K - - - - 31.4%
$75-100K - - - 23.3%
$100K+ - - - - 20.2%


Party Affiliation: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Dem- - - - - 42.6%
Rep - - - - - 19.2%
Ind- - - - - - 30.5%


Marital Status Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Single - - - - - 55.8%
Married - - - - 23.6%
D/W/S- - - - -35.5%


Of those with service in the armed forces 32.3% believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen".


Religion Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Attend Church more than Once Weekly - - - - - - 22.5%
Never Attend Church- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 43.1%
Attend Church Once/Twice Month- - - - - - - - - - 35.3%
Born Again - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 22.8%
Catholic- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 38.0%
Protestant - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24.7%
Jewish- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 15.6% (All: "Let It Happen" )
Other/None- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 40.4%


Ideology Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Progressive- - - - - - - - 37.5%
Liberal- - - - - - - - - - - 39.4%
Moderate- - - - - - - - - 32.7%
Conservative- - - - - - - 26.4%
Very Conservative - - - 6.9%
Libertarian - - - - - - - - 30.4%


Education Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

< High School - - - - - - - 34.0%
High School Graduate - - 45.3%
Some College- - - - - - - 31.8%
College Graduate + - - - 24.1% < -------- This would be me.


I think I would fall into the "Let It Happen" category. Not based upon a conscious effort by members of the Bush Administration but by their incredible arrogance, incompetence and Stupidity.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

And you would have to be an idiotic to think our own government did this.

The ironing is so delicious.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Zogby Poll Article - Poll conducted August, 2007
Specific Poll Breakouts(pdf)

There are three main schools of thought regarding the 9/11 attacks. The first theory is the official story, and maintains that 19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard. The second theory known as Let It Happen argues that certain elements in the US government knew the attacks were coming but consciously let them proceed for various political, military and economic motives; and the third theory Made It Happen contends that certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks. Based upon your knowledge of 9/11 events and their aftermath, which theory are you more likely to agree with?

Only 4.8 percent of the respondents agreed that members of the United States government "actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attack."


Not surprising tp me, 72% of the "Let It Happen" are age 18-24 (and 72% of the 55-69 age group believe it is the "Official Story").

More Fun Facts:

Race Breakout: % of Race Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Whites - - - - - 25.6%
Hispanics- - - - 49.5%
Blacks - - - - - 43.8%
Asians - - - - - 44.0%


Income Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

< $25K - - - - - 50.0%
$25-35K - - - - 48.3%
$35-50K - - - - 28.2%
$50-75K - - - - 31.4%
$75-100K - - - 23.3%
$100K+ - - - - 20.2%


Party Affiliation: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Dem- - - - - 42.6%
Rep - - - - - 19.2%
Ind- - - - - - 30.5%


Marital Status Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Single - - - - - 55.8%
Married - - - - 23.6%
D/W/S- - - - -35.5%


Of those with service in the armed forces 32.3% believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen".


Religion Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Attend Church more than Once Weekly - - - - - - 22.5%
Never Attend Church- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 43.1%
Attend Church Once/Twice Month- - - - - - - - - - 35.3%
Born Again - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 22.8%
Catholic- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 38.0%
Protestant - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24.7%
Jewish- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 15.6% (All: "Let It Happen" )
Other/None- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 40.4%


Ideology Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

Progressive- - - - - - - - 37.5%
Liberal- - - - - - - - - - - 39.4%
Moderate- - - - - - - - - 32.7%
Conservative- - - - - - - 26.4%
Very Conservative - - - 6.9%
Libertarian - - - - - - - - 30.4%


Education Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

< High School - - - - - - - 34.0%
High School Graduate - - 45.3%
Some College- - - - - - - 31.8%
College Graduate + - - - 24.1% < -------- This would be me.


I think I would fall into the "Let It Happen" category. Not based upon a conscious effort by members of the Bush Administration but by their incredible arrogance, incompetence and Stupidity.

Interesting, first time I ever saw this. Would be interesting to compare to a birther survey.

So obviously it's heavily skewed to democrats/indies (dems in indy clothing) - 73%. Poor, single, less educated minorities more likely to believe it. No surprises there, aligns with the base. Probably birthers would show more whites, probably more male. Interestingly women are more likely to be truthers, that was a surprise.

4.8% is a much more reasonable number, although still scary that you have a few million wingnuts running around.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Colt45
1010 people is a pretty small sample for a country of >300M.

A common error among people who are not familiar with statistics and polling.

The size of the nation is irrelevant to the accuracy of the poll - 300 million or 300 trillion.

No if our population was 300 trillion you'd have a higher sample size. The goal is to get as accurate as possible while still maintaining a small sample size. small sample size = less work. Theoretically, if you have a near perfect sample selection,going over the min sample size will get you closer to the real values, but it will only tweak the numbers ~ not present an entirely different story.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: kaiser03
dies bush die

I believe it's still a crime to threaten a former president, no?

Damn. Then why aren't there MILLIONS of people in prison, right now?

There are MILLIONS of people in prison right now. What's your point? Is this your roundabout way of saying you are one of the 36%?

Millions who have threatened a former or current president, in some way, shape, or form. Don't play stupid. Or are you not playing?

Also, the official story is bullshit, anyone with half a brain knows that.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: kaiser03
dies bush die

I believe it's still a crime to threaten a former president, no?

Damn. Then why aren't there MILLIONS of people in prison, right now?

There are MILLIONS of people in prison right now. What's your point? Is this your roundabout way of saying you are one of the 36%?

Millions who have threatened a former or current president, in some way, shape, or form. Don't play stupid. Or are you not playing?

Also, the official story is bullshit, anyone with half a brain knows that.

You're right, anyone with 1/2 a brain would believe that, you're case in point. :laugh:

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Income Breakout: % Who Believe "Let It Happen" and "Made It Happen"

< $25K - - - - - 50.0%
$25-35K - - - - 48.3%
$35-50K - - - - 28.2%
$50-75K - - - - 31.4%
$75-100K - - - 23.3%
$100K+ - - - - 20.2%




Hmmm further proof that lack of intelligence and income level are related.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: kaiser03
dies bush die

I believe it's still a crime to threaten a former president, no?

Damn. Then why aren't there MILLIONS of people in prison, right now?

There are MILLIONS of people in prison right now. What's your point? Is this your roundabout way of saying you are one of the 36%?

Millions who have threatened a former or current president, in some way, shape, or form. Don't play stupid. Or are you not playing?

Also, the official story is bullshit, anyone with half a brain knows that.

You're right, anyone with 1/2 a brain would believe that, you're case in point. :laugh:

That's cute and all, but evidence is not on the side of the government or their story.