36% of Americans Doubt Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

[Patranus]

36% of Democrats Believed Bush Was Behind 9-11 in a poll conducted in 2006.

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1531304,00.html

How is this any different than the "birther" movement which only garners the support of 22% of the GOP?

Last time I checked 22% < 36%...So which party is really a "fringe" party the one with the "truthers" or "birthers?

There are crack heads in both parties...but it appears that the Democrats have more...



Edited trollish and misleading title to accurately reflect the topic being discussed.

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[Ackmed]

Um, you own quote says, "government officials". It doesnt say Bush. Sure he was an official, and so were/are thousands of others.

And you would have to be an idiotic to think our own government did this.

 

[glenn1]

Recheck the crackpot figures for the GOP in 6 years should Obama still be in office, and I'm sure they'll be closer to 36 than 22.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, you own quote says, "government officials". It doesnt say Bush. Sure he was an official, and so were/are thousands of others.

And you would have to be an idiotic to think our own government did this.

I don't believe either of them.

The fact that the media is using the 22% as "the GOP" to make the entire GOP look like a fringe movement is disturbing when the "truthers" never ever seem to get a mention. I wonder why that is...

 

[Rangoric]

government officials either allowed the attacks

There you go. Many people think that the government ignored the warnings.

People really need to learn to read what a poll is asking as opposed to taking a little bit of what it asked. The rest of the article doesn't back up the poll and makes the same mistake many people make when looking at poll results.

I'm unsurprised.

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, you own quote says, "government officials". It doesnt say Bush. Sure he was an official, and so were/are thousands of others.

And you would have to be an idiotic to think our own government did this.

I don't believe either of them.

The fact that the media is using the 22% as "the GOP" to make the entire GOP look like a fringe movement is disturbing when the "truthers" never ever seem to get a mention. I wonder why that is...

Don't worry, when the people who work for a living and can't make the "Town Hall Meetings" @ 2:00pm vote, the loonie left will be shocked!

 

[Uhtrinity]

Well, there is a huge difference between did they know something was going to happen or were they behind it and this poll seems to cater to both responses. That alone gives you your high number. There is a big gap going from Was the government inept crowd and the 911 truthers.

Bin Laden determined to strike in US

Terrible attempt at framing Democrats in a poor light like the birthers.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

government officials either allowed the attacks

There you go. Many people think that the government ignored the warnings.

People really need to learn to read what a poll is asking as opposed to taking a little bit of what it asked. The rest of the article doesn't back up the poll and makes the same mistake many people make when looking at poll results.

I'm unsurprised.

Take a reading comprehension class. Ignoring the warnings is not ALLOWING the attacks.

Ignoring warnings may include seeing signs but if the dots are not connected the signs might be meaningless and ignored.

If you ALLOW something you know what is going to happen and let that happen anyways.

 

[Avalon]

It doesn't say 36% of Democrats, it says 36% of Americans. I'm also calling shens on that number. Out of maybe a hundred people I know, I think maybe one is conspiracy leaning.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, you own quote says, "government officials". It doesnt say Bush. Sure he was an official, and so were/are thousands of others.

And you would have to be an idiotic to think our own government did this.

No Ackmed he wouldn`t have to be idiotic...he would have to be looney tunes stoopid!!!

Patranus is known for his misinformation and willingness to address and comment on anything that places Democrats in a bad light no matter how utterly assinine, idiotic and stoopid it makes him appear!!

 

[manowar821]

So wheres the evidence for the official story? Oh, still don't have any? Well that's a kick in the shitter, huh?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Avalon
It doesn't say 36% of Democrats, it says 36% of Americans. I'm also calling shens on that number. Out of maybe a hundred people I know, I think maybe one is conspiracy leaning.

I would also call shens because say I do a random sampling of say 100,000 people and then i do another of a completely different 100,000 well there are no odds that the breakdown will be the exact same or even remotely close to the same!!

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: Patranus
36% of Democrats Believed Bush Was Behind 9-11 in a poll conducted in 2006.

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1531304,00.html

How is this any different than the "birther" movement which only garners the support of 22% of the GOP?

Last time I checked 22% < 36%...So which party is really a "fringe" party the one with the "truthers" or "birthers?

There are crack heads in both parties...but it appears that the Democrats have more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Clarke

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Avalon
It doesn't say 36% of Democrats, it says 36% of Americans. I'm also calling shens on that number. Out of maybe a hundred people I know, I think maybe one is conspiracy leaning.

I would also call shens because say I do a random sampling of say 100,000 people and then i do another of a completely different 100,000 well there are no odds that the breakdown will be the exact same or even remotely close to the same!!

called statistics, and in order to compare the two populations you must use a formula in order to compare different sized samples, it will never allow you to reject the original poll, it will only allow you to say you do not accept it.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Avalon
It doesn't say 36% of Democrats, it says 36% of Americans. I'm also calling shens on that number. Out of maybe a hundred people I know, I think maybe one is conspiracy leaning.

Correct. I was wrong.

However, since the original poll states that

The poll found that a majority of young adults give at least some credence to a 9/11 conspiracy compared to less than a fourth of people 65 or older. Members of racial and ethnic minorities, people with only a high school education and Democrats were especially likely to suspect federal involvement in 9/11.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

 

[Firebot]

How the hell does 36% of Americans = 36% of Democrats. Also, government officials =! Bush. I also think that anyone who thinks some is a total retard.

BTW I'll raise your 36% of Americans believe that government officials were involved with 9/11 by a 70% Americans believe that Saddam was involved with 9/11

WASHINGTON (AP) ? Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country.

Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. A majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it's likely Saddam was involved

Here's the problem, a huge amount of Iraqis and several thousand Americans died due to that idiotic illegal and unnecessary war that was fought under fake pretense.

Americans are stupid, period. That's why some think Obama is somehow responsible for the stock market's decline in February, and why some still think the moon landing was a hoax.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
And you would have to be an idiotic to think our own government did this.

You would have to be an idiot to not realise there was a faction holding key positions in our government which was looking forward to "a new Pearl Harbor" to facilitate their plans to assert dominance over the Middle East.

Originally posted by: Patranus
If you ALLOW something you know what is going to happen and let that happen anyways.

So, for instance; if I heard my smoke detector going off but didn't bother check to see why until it was too late, you'd argue I didn't allow my house to burn down?

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I would also call shens because say I do a random sampling of say 100,000 people and then i do another of a completely different 100,000 well there are no odds that the breakdown will be the exact same or even remotely close to the same!!

Sure, if you did the results would likely differ greatly, but there are all sorts of methods to avoid such issues which intelligent people use when conducting such polls.

Anyway, I'm interested in seeing where this thread goes, but I'm going to contact the mods in the hopes they will change the title. My proposal:

Topic Title: 36% of Americans Doubt Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

Topic Summary: see how Patranus misrepresents this statistic and discuss

 

[sportage]

Well.... It "DID" work in his favor, regardless...
And when you now see how evil the US banking system is/was/still is, and when you see how easy it was for foreigners to do what they did on 9/11, makes one wonder just whose side GOD is really on???
I mean, a financial system that tosses seniors out of their home, that same home they raised a family in, paid taxes in, then at the age of 70, they are living with their kids or in a trailer park after foreclosure from a bank hell bent on foreclosure... makes you wonder. If you were God, whose side would YOU pick???
A radical group hell bent on bring the us financial system to its knees? Or the financial system that tosses 70 year olds out in the street? What would Jesus do??? Makes you wonder.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: Patranus
36% of Democrats Believed Bush Was Behind 9-11 in a poll conducted in 2006.

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1531304,00.html

How is this any different than the "birther" movement which only garners the support of 22% of the GOP?

Last time I checked 22% < 36%...So which party is really a "fringe" party the one with the "truthers" or "birthers?

There are crack heads in both parties...but it appears that the Democrats have more...

You pulled that out of your asshole. It doesn't say 36% of Demaocrats believe that. I know more extreme right wingers that believe this than Democrats. It is the extreme left and right that believe this and I'd bet most of them don't belong to either party.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Patranus
36% of Democrats Believed Bush Was Behind 9-11 in a poll conducted in 2006.

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1531304,00.html

How is this any different than the "birther" movement which only garners the support of 22% of the GOP?

Last time I checked 22% < 36%...So which party is really a "fringe" party the one with the "truthers" or "birthers?

There are crack heads in both parties...but it appears that the Democrats have more...

No Democratic members introduced bills into congress condoning the rantings of the crackpots

cough....cough....birther bill....cough!

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: Patranus
36% of Democrats Believed Bush Was Behind 9-11 in a poll conducted in 2006.

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1531304,00.html

How is this any different than the "birther" movement which only garners the support of 22% of the GOP?

Last time I checked 22% < 36%...So which party is really a "fringe" party the one with the "truthers" or "birthers?

There are crack heads in both parties...but it appears that the Democrats have more...

No Democratic members introduced bills into congress condoning the rantings of the crackpots

cough....cough....birther bill....cough!

Whats wrong with this?

H.R. 1503. A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution; to the Committee on House Administration.

Don't see Obama's name mentioned nor do I see it say that the current president was not born in the USA. It only tries to solve similar problems in the future by making someone prove their qualifications.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

government officials either allowed the attacks

There you go. Many people think that the government ignored the warnings.

People really need to learn to read what a poll is asking as opposed to taking a little bit of what it asked. The rest of the article doesn't back up the poll and makes the same mistake many people make when looking at poll results.

I'm unsurprised.

Don't expect much integrity from this one. It's rather sad to watch how desperate for attention he really is. He's been making an ass of himself since his first account.

 

[sandorski]

100% of Americans are Democrats!

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Rangoric

government officials either allowed the attacks

There you go. Many people think that the government ignored the warnings.

People really need to learn to read what a poll is asking as opposed to taking a little bit of what it asked. The rest of the article doesn't back up the poll and makes the same mistake many people make when looking at poll results.

I'm unsurprised.

Take a reading comprehension class. Ignoring the warnings is not ALLOWING the attacks.

Ignoring warnings may include seeing signs but if the dots are not connected the signs might be meaningless and ignored.

If you ALLOW something you know what is going to happen and let that happen anyways.

If I ignore something, I know it is going to happen and let that happen anyways.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[RedChief]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Well, there is a huge difference between did they know something was going to happen or were they behind it and this poll seems to cater to both responses. That alone gives you your high number. There is a big gap going from Was the government inept crowd and the 911 truthers.

Bin Laden determined to strike in US

Terrible attempt at framing Democrats in a poor light like the birthers.

If you actually would read the memo you would see that the only thing that memo had in relation to 9/11 is Bin Laden wanted to attack the US. NOTHING else in that memo was close to 9/11.