.357 Magnum or .38 Special

[franksta]

The way I understood it was that the .357 was a 9mm bullet packed into a .40 cartridge and is quite potent. I don't know anything about the .38

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: franksta
The way I understood it was that the .357 was a 9mm bullet packed into a .40 cartridge and is quite potent. I don't know anything about the .38

Thats .357 sig the 357 mag is about twice as long as a .40 shell.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: CorCentral
Ooops ! Damn! I should've known better.

Bringing up the 44Magnum, now which is more powerful of the 3 ?
Not quite up on guns, can ya' tell? **LOL**

.44 Mag is much more powerful than .357 Magnum. Similar muzzle velocity but the bullet weight of a .44 Mag is much greater.

.357 bullet weight is typically 125-148gr while a .44 magnum round is typically 200-240gr (even 300gr) bullet weights.

 

[franksta]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: franksta
The way I understood it was that the .357 was a 9mm bullet packed into a .40 cartridge and is quite potent. I don't know anything about the .38

Thats .357 sig the 357 mag is about twice as long as a .40 shell.

Oops, forgot all about the SIG. 😱

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Baked
Buy both and shoot DMT in the face (over the intraweb) to find out.

Have feeling we won't see him around much. I havn't seen him post since those last couple threads blew up.

 

[shoRunner]

get the Deagle its the best....wait are we talking about counterstrike?

 

[mercanucaribe]

How does a .357 gun fire a .38 bullet?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
How does a .357 gun fire a .38 bullet?

They are the same diameter bullet. Any gun chambered for .357 magnum can fire a .38 Special bullet.

 

[xeno2060]

The size of the projectile in both cartridges is.357. The magnum's case is longer, and therefore can hold more powder. Since the shell and the bullets are the same diameter
A .357 Magnum Revolver can accept a .38 Special NOT vise versa.🙂

 

[jer0608]

I always thought the caliber of the gun referred to the diameter of the bore in inches, i.e. .357 Magnum has a barrel with a 0.357 in diameter bore. Wouldn't a .38 bullet be too wide? Or are the bullets substantially smaller in diameter than the barrel from which they are fired? If so, how does the rifling in the barrel work? Can someone clarify for me?

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: CorCentral
Ooops ! Damn! I should've known better.

Bringing up the 44Magnum, now which is more powerful of the 3 ?
Not quite up on guns, can ya' tell? **LOL**

44 mag, which is also out done by the .500 S&W mag

The new 460S&W looks promising. With the 460 cartridge, it's suppose to get upwards of 2300 fps. Lot flatter shooting than the 500, supposed to be good out to 250 yards. Can you imagine trying to take something at that distance with a pistol. supposedly at 200 yards it has more energy than a 44 at the muzzle. It also shoots 454 and 45 long colt. I have a 454 in the super redhawk, that thing packs a punch, supposed to kick on par with the 500. And on the 460S&W thats supposed to be the light load.

 

[imported_DocHolliday]

wow... a lot of you people really know jack she!t about guns! haha:Q

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: jer0608
I always thought the caliber of the gun referred to the diameter of the bore in inches, i.e. .357 Magnum has a barrel with a 0.357 in diameter bore. Wouldn't a .38 bullet be too wide? Or are the bullets substantially smaller in diameter than the barrel from which they are fired? If so, how does the rifling in the barrel work? Can someone clarify for me?

In general yes you are right but there are variations. For example the 44 Mag projectile is actually .42" The .300 Win mag and .300 win short mags fire a .308 prejectile. There are many other examples as well, but in general it is what is says. .38 also happens to be an exception as well

Rifling just "grabs" the bullet and makes sure it spins while leaving the barrel creating more accuracy. Fo the same caliber a heavier bullet will require more spin and thus I higher rate of rifling to propel a heavier bullet accurately.

For instance an ar-15 with a 1 turn in 9" barrel can fire up to a 70 grain bullet accurately in most cases. If you were to go to a higher weight bullet you would need a gun with a barrel that had 1 in 7 or 8" rifling in it. Opposite is also true, you can't fire a 40 grain bullet in a 1 in 7" twist barrel as it will travel too fast for the amount of spin that is being put on it.

Originally posted by: DocHolliday
wow... a lot of you people really know jack she!t about guns! haha:Q

Would you care to educate us?

 

[Ophir]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: jer0608
I always thought the caliber of the gun referred to the diameter of the bore in inches, i.e. .357 Magnum has a barrel with a 0.357 in diameter bore. Wouldn't a .38 bullet be too wide? Or are the bullets substantially smaller in diameter than the barrel from which they are fired? If so, how does the rifling in the barrel work? Can someone clarify for me?

Rifling just "grabs" the bullet and makes sure it spins while leaving the barrel creating more accuracy.

Adding a bit to this: an unfired bullet should be smaller than the bore, however, after the powder is discharged, the heat and pressure against the bullet cause it to expand against the wall of the barrel. Then the rifling "grabs" the bullet (or the bullet follows the rifling, depending on your POV).

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Ophir

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: jer0608
I always thought the caliber of the gun referred to the diameter of the bore in inches, i.e. .357 Magnum has a barrel with a 0.357 in diameter bore. Wouldn't a .38 bullet be too wide? Or are the bullets substantially smaller in diameter than the barrel from which they are fired? If so, how does the rifling in the barrel work? Can someone clarify for me?

Rifling just "grabs" the bullet and makes sure it spins while leaving the barrel creating more accuracy.

Adding a bit to this: an unfired bullet should be smaller than the bore, however, after the powder is discharged, the heat and pressure against the bullet cause it to expand against the wall of the barrel. Then the rifling "grabs" the bullet (or the bullet follows the rifling, depending on your POV).

The bullet should already be a larger diameter than the lands but not the groves. You can check by trying to cram an unfired round down the muzzel. You will see the rifling mark easily if it's a FMJ round.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Fingers

For instance an ar-15 with a 1 turn in 9" barrel can fire up to a 70 grain bullet accurately in most cases. If you were to go to a higher weight bullet you would need a gun with a barrel that had 1 in 7 or 8" rifling in it. Opposite is also true, you can't fire a 40 grain bullet in a 1 in 7" twist barrel as it will travel too fast for the amount of spin that is being put on it.

Actually it looks like hunting rifles like the 270, 30-06, 300Win have a 1 in 10 twist. 22's seem to be about 1 in 16 twist. the 17 rimfire seems to be at around 1 in 9. So it looks like speed has something to do with it, probably weight has some to do with it also. I dunno. My 220 that shoot ~55 grain bullet at ~3900fps has a 1 in 14 twist.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Fingers

For instance an ar-15 with a 1 turn in 9" barrel can fire up to a 70 grain bullet accurately in most cases. If you were to go to a higher weight bullet you would need a gun with a barrel that had 1 in 7 or 8" rifling in it. Opposite is also true, you can't fire a 40 grain bullet in a 1 in 7" twist barrel as it will travel too fast for the amount of spin that is being put on it.

Actually it looks like hunting rifles like the 270, 30-06, 300Win have a 1 in 10 twist. 22's seem to be about 1 in 16 twist. the 17 rimfire seems to be at around 1 in 9. So it looks like speed has something to do with it, probably weight has some to do with it also. I dunno. My 220 that shoot ~55 grain bullet at ~3900fps has a 1 in 14 twist.

All else being the same a faster bullet requires a slower twist and the lighter ones tend to get going much faster.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Fingers

For instance an ar-15 with a 1 turn in 9" barrel can fire up to a 70 grain bullet accurately in most cases. If you were to go to a higher weight bullet you would need a gun with a barrel that had 1 in 7 or 8" rifling in it. Opposite is also true, you can't fire a 40 grain bullet in a 1 in 7" twist barrel as it will travel too fast for the amount of spin that is being put on it.

Actually it looks like hunting rifles like the 270, 30-06, 300Win have a 1 in 10 twist. 22's seem to be about 1 in 16 twist. the 17 rimfire seems to be at around 1 in 9. So it looks like speed has something to do with it, probably weight has some to do with it also. I dunno. My 220 that shoot ~55 grain bullet at ~3900fps has a 1 in 14 twist.

All else being the same a faster bullet requires a slower twist and the lighter ones tend to get going much faster.

That would make sense, except why is the 22LR which shoot about what, maybe 1600fps??, have a twist of 1 in 16, while the 17 rimfire that goes much faster has shorter twist. I dunno, that doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Fingers

For instance an ar-15 with a 1 turn in 9" barrel can fire up to a 70 grain bullet accurately in most cases. If you were to go to a higher weight bullet you would need a gun with a barrel that had 1 in 7 or 8" rifling in it. Opposite is also true, you can't fire a 40 grain bullet in a 1 in 7" twist barrel as it will travel too fast for the amount of spin that is being put on it.

Actually it looks like hunting rifles like the 270, 30-06, 300Win have a 1 in 10 twist. 22's seem to be about 1 in 16 twist. the 17 rimfire seems to be at around 1 in 9. So it looks like speed has something to do with it, probably weight has some to do with it also. I dunno. My 220 that shoot ~55 grain bullet at ~3900fps has a 1 in 14 twist.

All else being the same a faster bullet requires a slower twist and the lighter ones tend to get going much faster.

That would make sense, except why is the 22LR which shoot about what, maybe 1600fps??, have a twist of 1 in 16, while the 17 rimfire that goes much faster has shorter twist. I dunno, that doesn't make sense to me.

Different caliber. Easier to understand when dealing witht he same round at different bullet weights.

 

[Jon855]

I own a .357, this packs a more punch IMO

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Jon855
I own a .357, this packs a more punch IMO

I don't currently own a .357 magnum or a .38 but I have owned them in the past. Opinion has nothing to do with it, .357 is more powerful. Although, .38 Special in P++ rounds are pretty potent. If you buy a gun strong enough to shoot those rounds though you might as well buy a .357 magnum.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: Calin
Magnum for cartridges signifies a very big propelling charge and/or very big bullet. It goes on hunting cartridges also, magnum is some kind of "elephant size"

exactly the magnum in the name means extra gun powder, lots of extra. and in fact almost any round can be turned into a "magnum" round. but at the same time the 357 gun is built a little thicker to be able to handle the inc. in pressure

 

[alkemyst]

what one needs to consider is not compared d!c< size in guns...

the questions are:

what am doing with it?

how am I needing to carry it?

at home bigger is better can definitely win out (assuming no family/neighbor casualties in the equation)

on the street/day to day....it's complicated.

Keep in mind whether or not your are legal to pack, those that know you do will alienate you 9 times out of 10.

packing.org is your friend if packing.

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
what one needs to consider is not compared d!c< size in guns...

the questions are:

what am doing with it?

how am I needing to carry it?

at home bigger is better can definitely win out (assuming no family/neighbor casualties in the equation)

on the street/day to day....it's complicated.

Keep in mind whether or not your are legal to pack, those that know you do will alienate you 9 times out of 10.

packing.org is your friend if packing.

Yes, and you need to consider that we all want to be like Dirty Harry. I myself carry a Crossman pellet gun. You know, the one that's shaped like a real hand gun/357? I'm sure that when pointed at a crook (breaking into my house by chance) he's going to ask ........... Hey, is that a pellet gun or real? **LMAO**

10 shots in the head or eyes with a Pellet gun can be very severe with a full Co2 cartridge!

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: CorCentral


Yes, and you need to consider that we all want to be like Dirty Harry. I myself carry a Crossman pellet gun. You know, the one that's shaped like a real hand gun/357? I'm sure that when pointed at a crook (breaking into my house by chance) he's going to ask ........... Hey, is that a pellet gun or real? **LMAO**

10 shots in the head or eyes with a Pellet gun can be very severe with a full Co2 cartridge!

And I am sure the words "HEADSHOT" will ring out in the place too. When you fully unleash 10 rounds of all headshots as the criminal and you move, etc.

If a crook is in your house and you get close enough to point a handgun...not to mention more than likely in darkness just waking up from sleep, to which he is already used too and quite awake...chances are he will attempt a grab or duck and cover and return fire. If you are looking to get rid of a criminal in your house you take your shot or flee. There is no 'hey stick 'em up' in real life. This is why the sound of a pump shotgun is really effective....they will hear it and know you are ready for them. There are easier houses assuming they are just there for a robbery.

You'd have to catch an eye to be effective. I have been hit with a full pump on a Crossman 7200 (I think that was it) with a pellet at roughly point blank in the hand...it didn't go all the way through and didn't hit bone either.