3500 SD...maybe not

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I found a picture of the beast

ADA3500DAA4BN

according to the self appointed gurus at extremesystems.org the "4" indicates that its 512k L2, the 3700+ is ADA3700DAA5BN

OP Painters confirmation from AMD

If the L2 truely isn't worth 200 pr points, this is good news because the 3500+ will have the same clock 2.2ghz as the 3700+

Does NOT make sence. How can a 2.0 Ghz chip get the 3500 rating with LESS cache, while a 2.2 has the 3700 rating??? How can a "old" 3500 run at 2.2 while this "new" one will loose 200Mhz and keep the same rating unless you add cache!!??!

Sorry But I'm not buying OPPs source.

 

[Duvie]

What about the pic....It is a 3500+ and the stepping proves what...We cannot really tell what speed that is in term of mhz....

How reliable is that guys site Zebo...where did you get it was 2.0ghz?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I found a picture of the beast

ADA3500DAA4BN

according to the self appointed gurus at extremesystems.org the "4" indicates that its 512k L2, the 3700+ is ADA3700DAA5BN

OP Painters confirmation from AMD

If the L2 truely isn't worth 200 pr points, this is good news because the 3500+ will have the same clock 2.2ghz as the 3700+

Now I don't know what to think.



If it really is only 512kB cache, then what's the point of having it over a Venice? What's the difference at all, really?

Hopefully this will all become sorted out by the time I'm ready to buy.

Don't believe it. The 3200+ venice is 2 Ghz.

Under what justification could they possibly have to release a 2 Ghz 3500 unless it had more cache otherwise it's the same chip as the 3200+.

 

[Duvie]

Dont we already have a 3500+ clawhammer with 1mb of l2 cache or is it just a newcastle sckt 939???

Shimmishim has a 3500+ sckt 939 CH as listed in his sig oc'd to 2.8ghz....

I am getting confused by the sheer number of models at each peformance grade...

 

[Avalon]

$250 is too much for me

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Duvie
What about the pic....It is a 3500+ and the stepping proves what...We cannot really tell what speed that is in term of mhz....

How reliable is that guys site Zebo...where did you get it was 2.0ghz?

OMG !!! dude you may be right. The BN is San deigo, but they may be doing that same crap they did with the initial Newcastles i.e. disabling 512 of a clawhammers cache. I forgot AMD pulled this before.

the "4" is obviously 512KB but the BN is 1MB L2 (viences are BP) so 4BN is WTF???

 

[sxr7171]

Okay where do we put in the pre-orders on this? Thanks. There's no question these things are the value king of probably this year.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I found a picture of the beast

ADA3500DAA4BN

according to the self appointed gurus at extremesystems.org the "4" indicates that its 512k L2, the 3700+ is ADA3700DAA5BN

OP Painters confirmation from AMD

If the L2 truely isn't worth 200 pr points, this is good news because the 3500+ will have the same clock 2.2ghz as the 3700+

Does NOT make sence. How can a 2.0 Ghz chip get the 3500 rating with LESS cache, while a 2.2 has the 3700 rating??? How can a "old" 3500 run at 2.2 while this "new" one will loose 200Mhz and keep the same rating unless you add cache!!??!

Sorry But I'm not buying OPPs source.

Because its a 2.2ghz chip not a 2.0ghz, just like the other four 3500's . Newcastle, Winchester, Clawhammer & Venice


*posted on the xs forum*
The AA5 part gives you info about CPU max temprature rating, the default voltage and amount of L2 cache.
The number represents the size of the cache:
1 = 64KB
2 = 128KB
3 = 256KB
4 = 512KB
5 = 1024KB (1MB)
the last two letters like BP, BN, etc. represent the actual physical core that the chip sports.
AP = s754 C0 130nm Clawhammer
AR = s754 CG 130nm Clawhammer
AS = s939 CG 130nm Clawhammer
AX = s754 CG 130nm NewCastle
AW = s939 CG 130nm NewCastle
BI = s939 D0 90nm Winchester
AX = s754 CG 130nm Sempron (Based on NewCastle)
BA = s754 D0 90nm Sempron (Based on Winchester, s754 is why its not BI)
BO = s754 E? 90nm Sempron (Probably will be based on Venice, s754 is why its not BP)
BP = s939 E3 90nm Venice
BN = s939 E4 90nm San Diego

this also lists the 3500+ as a 512kb
Unofficial Roadmap

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Duvie
What about the pic....It is a 3500+ and the stepping proves what...We cannot really tell what speed that is in term of mhz....

How reliable is that guys site Zebo...where did you get it was 2.0ghz?

OMG !!! dude you may be right. The BN is San deigo, but they may be doing that same crap they did with the initial Newcastles i.e. disabling 512 of a clawhammers cache. I forgot AMD pulled this before.

the "4" is obviously 512KB but the BN is 1MB L2 (viences are BP) so 4BN is WTF???

Yeah, the "clawhammer" based 3500+s have only 512KB of cache, although they supposedly clock just as well as the FXs.

Even if it doesn't pack the 1MB of cache, SanDiego silicon would probably clock a little higher than Venice on average. However if they don't have the extra cache and are 2GHz and not 2.2GHz, then that would be bogus.

 

[Zebo]

I guess we just have to wait (yet again) for the most secretive company in history to release product. I relise I jumped the gun now, easy to do... seeing a potential cheap FX which I've been waiting for.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I guess we just have to wait (yet again) for the most secretive company in history to release product. I relise I jumped the gun now, easy to do... seeing a potential cheap FX which I've been waiting for.

I really was focusing on the 3500+ also, but when I found it wasn't going to be available in the initial release I went ahead and preordered the 3700+, and will report on my results. But I still believe the 3500+ will be the sweetspot, and should clock as high as the FX chips

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I guess we just have to wait (yet again) for the most secretive company in history to release product. I relise I jumped the gun now, easy to do... seeing a potential cheap FX which I've been waiting for.

I guess even the price of the 3700+ isn't too bad considering it is going be our "we don't want to spend $800 on a CPU" FX, but $360 is starting to push it in terms of what I want to spend. I think I'm going to wait and see.

Maybe I'll let my Winchester tide me over until the X2 4200+. If the Toledo can hit 3GHz it will be slower than an O/C San Diego at 3GHz for all single threaded applications but it would be a good compromise to play with some intensive multi-tasking and the hope that more apps get coded to take advantage of 2 cores.

Still I want to push a proc. to 3GHz right now, O/Cing is very addictive.


Hey guitardaddy,

You mentioned a site where they talk about vcore modding for the Asus A8N-SLI, but I searched and couldn't find it. Do happen to have a link or pointers on how to find it? I am starting to think about modding that board if we don't hear any news on a modded BIOS soon.