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There is a 3500 San Diego coming!!!!
See sig and this
http://epscontest.com/prices/rm_2005_04_11.htm
See sig and this
http://epscontest.com/prices/rm_2005_04_11.htm
3500 SD...maybe not
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Well if it OCs high then maybe you can get some use out of the L2 cache.....I dont buy the 200 PR rating points for the 512kb more of cache...Benchmarks in the range of the 4000+ prove me right here....I think the best secret is like you said probably binned down FX models...
get one and let me know....I may skimp venice too....
get one and let me know....I may skimp venice too....
There's going to be a 2.0 GHz 1 MB L2 San Diego 3500+?! I could have sworn that it was generally agreed that it will be only 512kB. 
If that's so, then I don't care even if I have to find someone with an older 939 in order to flash the BIOS on my board.
If that's so, then I don't care even if I have to find someone with an older 939 in order to flash the BIOS on my board.
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I Always buy lowest chip in iteration, I don't subscribe to the binning theory only cause I never had a chip not perform up to it's most expensive brothers standards.
I'll definity let you know. venice is'nt much an impovement over what we got now. 300More mhz maybe????
I'll definity let you know. venice is'nt much an impovement over what we got now. 300More mhz maybe????
I'll definitely keep an eye on this. If the San Diego 3500+ can get >2.8GHz with relative ease (and is only $250), I think I may have just found my upgrade path from my Athlon XP....
Originally posted by: bersl2
There's going to be a 2.0 GHz 1 MB L2 San Diego 3500+?! I could have sworn that it was generally agreed that it will be only 512kB.
If that's so, then I don't care even if I have to find someone with an older 939 in order to flash the BIOS on my board.
Venice is 512k, all San Diegos are 1MB
Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
Originally posted by: bersl2
There's going to be a 2.0 GHz 1 MB L2 San Diego 3500+?! I could have sworn that it was generally agreed that it will be only 512kB.
If that's so, then I don't care even if I have to find someone with an older 939 in order to flash the BIOS on my board.
Venice is 512k, all San Diegos are 1MB
I know that. Wasn't there talk of a crippled San Diego?
Hell, I probably made it up. It's not like I haven't done something like that before...
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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I'll definitely keep an eye on this. If the San Diego 3500+ can get >2.8GHz with relative ease (and is only $250), I think I may have just found my upgrade path from my Athlon XP....
Well that's the idea. Franky I think 3.0 is a real possibilty on air since both venices (same core but only 512KB L2) and Lancasters (same core but only one mem controller) are doing that now.
But now it's 5% faster than either of those due to either more cache or more bandwidth.
GuitarDaddy
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Rumors seem to indicate that the SD 3500+, is the next generation Clawhammer 3500+. The exact same chip as the 3700+, 4000+, 4200+ except with half the cache crippled.
If thats the case it most likely will be the OC sweetspot, it should clock right up there with the big boys
If this is the case, we likely won't see them for awhile, until AMD knows how many 3700's & 4000's they sell in the intial push. Once the higher graded chips are in abundant supply they will introduce the 3500's. For those who want the new stuff now!!! they want to sell the 3700's and 4000's
If thats the case it most likely will be the OC sweetspot, it should clock right up there with the big boys
If this is the case, we likely won't see them for awhile, until AMD knows how many 3700's & 4000's they sell in the intial push. Once the higher graded chips are in abundant supply they will introduce the 3500's. For those who want the new stuff now!!! they want to sell the 3700's and 4000's
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I'll definitely keep an eye on this. If the San Diego 3500+ can get >2.8GHz with relative ease (and is only $250), I think I may have just found my upgrade path from my Athlon XP....
Well that's the idea. Franky I think 3.0 is a real possibilty on air since both venices (same core but only 512KB L2) and Lancasters (same core but only one mem controller) are doing that now.
3GHz would be sweet (and I have no problems with slapping on a huge heatsink and loud fan :evil: ). Probably not going to upgrade for another month or two though, until R520 arrives. I've got an AGP 6800GT right now, and I don't want to have to buy two different A64 motherboards to accomodate a video card swap once I already have the A64.
Edit: That will also give me time to see how others do with their overclocks, and to see whether these rumors of it having only 512kB L2 cache are true. Although I really doubt the cache one, because if it's running at 2.0GHz, it would almost have to have the 1MB cache to be called a 3500+, no...?
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Duvie the bench of the 4000 compared to what?
4000 stomps a 3800 Newcastle. (same speed)
Still beats a 3800 Winch but less (same speed)
Still beats a 3800 Venice even more less (same speed)
You are fogetting about two core refinments the 4000 missed out on. Well it will get them here with the move to 90nm E4 core which I think adds about 5% performance right there judging by NC vs venice reviews I've seen.
Yes 1MB L2 makes a decent difference when comparing same cores.
But you're right. It's a 5% difference thus varies by precessor speed, not an absolute 200 value, which is high, until you get over 3.0Ghz comparisions. i.e. 3000Mhz SD = 3150Venice. Well 150, close enough.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2249&p=4
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-venice_8.html
I beg to differ....Show me where the 4000+ earned its 5% over the SCH memory controller and 512kb of cache of the 3800+ newcastle??? Look at both reviews..I have...It isn't there!!!
What are the core enhancements....It already has the dual channel controller which made little headroom over the newcastles....SSE3 is pretty non existent now and at 3500+ level made very little difference from winchester to Venice....The Venice from the newcastle was maybe 1.5% but a large part of that can be the DCH memory controoler which the 4000+ already had....
Either way the cache at 512 to 1mb just doesn't make up the 200mhz clock AMD is willing to give up for same PR value/. Clock speed matter...256 to 512kb of cache mattered 512 to 1mb with most apps does not matter much....
Personally AMDs PR ratings are confusing, misleading, and overall wrong most of the time......I dont prescibe to it...I look at pure clock speed and that is it, period...if this thing OCs great then I would get one...based on 2.0ghz 1mb of l2 cache, doesn't impress me much...
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All we got to do is go to the last page D
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-venice/result.png
5% over the three gens is about right.
Anand does'nt say what that 3800 is when comparing to 4000. I'm gunna find you a review.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-venice/result.png
5% over the three gens is about right.
Anand does'nt say what that 3800 is when comparing to 4000. I'm gunna find you a review.
GuitarDaddy
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If it is the next generation cripple top of the line core (like Clawhammer 3500+). It would be clocked at 2.2 like all the other 3500's
Go ahead and plot an average (% per the 20 test) and it is 1.2-1.5% ...You are looking at spikes in very specific apps....
doesn't matter we need to see 1mb of cache you need to specifically look at
4000+ 1mb of L2 2.4ghz (DCH) -vs- 3800+ NC 512kb of L2 2.4ghz (SCH)....not 5% average there or in Anandtech test...
then
4000+ 1mb of L2 2.4ghz (DCH) -vs- 3800+ Venice 512kb of L2 2.4ghz (DCH)....not 5% there either....
Now give up 200mhz and I bet the 3500+ clawhammer will lose majority to most all of the 3 3500+'s you listed....
I have no problem with you thinking this will be a great ocer......AMDs L2 cache does not equal 5%....If they based it on 1 or 2 test maybe but across the board...NO....
They dont have to...It is an old test/review......it is not the venice it is the 130nm sckt 939 3800+ Newcastle...not a winchester 90nm and not a venice....
Why find a test...I have given you 2 to show what I am saying...Toms cpu chart #2 can be my third....
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I agree and say the same all the time. (ever heard me recommed the 3400?)
But what does it matter to us? We're not running stock!!! We are overclcoking, not giving up any clock speed no matter what AMD says or decides to label and charge for thier chip with bogus rating.
Point is, you can get a full bore chip, wether it's 5% or 3% faster at same speed as Venice, on the cheap. Make an real live FX on the cheap.
That I wholeheartedly agree with...I hate AMD PR rating...I just want to talk ghz anyways....
The price then IMO should be more comparable to a 3200+ venice with a conservatuive 2% price increase.....200 for a venice 3200+ means about 240 should be a good price. 270 is a bit high.
Wouldn't the 3200+ be the sweet spot or do you think the cache will deliver more at higher speeds??? Or do you think since they are clawhammer FXderivatives they will likely have higher headroom and better memory controllers???
I am looking at a 3200+ venice (for the 10x multi) but if the 3500+ claw has a better shot at 3.0ghz with the added L2 as bonus I would be game...
"Prefer globalized results."
Take the chart you linked me and interpolate the percentage based on where the dot per each etst falls in between the lines...It took me like 1 minute.....I want to see each result then AT or Xbit saying the L2 is 5% faster and then not laying out the benches that actually prove it....
Take the chart you linked me and interpolate the percentage based on where the dot per each etst falls in between the lines...It took me like 1 minute.....I want to see each result then AT or Xbit saying the L2 is 5% faster and then not laying out the benches that actually prove it....
GuitarDaddy
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I found a picture of the beast
ADA3500DAA4BN
according to the self appointed gurus at extremesystems.org the "4" indicates that its 512k L2, the 3700+ is ADA3700DAA5BN
OP Painters confirmation from AMD
If the L2 truely isn't worth 200 pr points, this is good news because the 3500+ will have the same clock 2.2ghz as the 3700+
ADA3500DAA4BN
according to the self appointed gurus at extremesystems.org the "4" indicates that its 512k L2, the 3700+ is ADA3700DAA5BN
OP Painters confirmation from AMD
If the L2 truely isn't worth 200 pr points, this is good news because the 3500+ will have the same clock 2.2ghz as the 3700+
So all this battle for nothing!!!
the 3700+ clawhammer (san diego core) is 1mb of cache but still a 2ghz cpu??? If so my above argument slides to this one...You know what ppl I can buy maybe 100 pr points for 512kb of cache but that is it.....Make it a 3600+...more reasonable.....Nuff said...
For me if Zebo thinks the claws will OC better that is good enough for me....
the 3700+ clawhammer (san diego core) is 1mb of cache but still a 2ghz cpu??? If so my above argument slides to this one...You know what ppl I can buy maybe 100 pr points for 512kb of cache but that is it.....Make it a 3600+...more reasonable.....Nuff said...
For me if Zebo thinks the claws will OC better that is good enough for me....
Now I don't know what to think.
If it really is only 512kB cache, then what's the point of having it over a Venice? What's the difference at all, really?
Hopefully this will all become sorted out by the time I'm ready to buy.
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