$35,000 Tesla Model III Is Coming In 2017

[ultimatebob]

People are so short sighted and dumb. That video was great! It showed how close we are to having real FSD. Where you see failures, I see clear path to solutions and success. We're on the brink and so close. I can taste it.

Ark Funds recently gave TSLA a $3,000 price target, because she (Cathie Wood) thought that full self-driving would be ready by 2025. I wonder if she saw those videos before making that prediction.

 

[repoman0]

What the fanboys don’t understand is that the video proves Tesla is not special. There’s no secret FSD sauce that only they have that the rest of the industry and academia doesn’t have. They’re just the only ones dumb enough to let their customers use it. This video is in line with the state of the art that I’ve seen in some ways and worse in many. No surprise that the non-engineers with only a superficial understanding of the topic think it’s amazing though.

 

[rstrohkirch]

welp

nice

 

[ponyo]

Ark Funds recently gave TSLA a $3,000 price target, because she (Cathie Wood) thought that full self-driving would be ready by 2025. I wonder if she saw those videos before making that prediction.

Who cares. What I got out of that video is the company making rapid progress towards FSD. These are all growing pains. Failures today leads to success tomorrow. But you need data as you build and tweak. I see one company that has almost unsurmountable lead in data collection. That lead is growing exponentially since the fleet size is increasing exponentially as well.

Based on all the different Tesla FSD beta videos I've seen and video interviews with various AI and tech people involved in the sector, I'm highly confident Tesla will solve FSD before anyone. When that will happen, who knows. I'm betting it's sometime in this decade. My multi trillion Tesla market cap thesis requires Tesla solving FSD. I'm focused on the big picture. All this is noise in the big picture. Nothing I've seen so far leads me to believe they won't succeed.

 

[ultimatebob]

Should Tesla be scared?

 

[manly]

More specifically, Tesla's system is a long way away. Not that Waymo is about to solve everything, but its tech is decidedly more sophisticated.

I honestly wonder why Tesla thinks it can do fully autonomous driving with cameras alone. How would it handle snow when it might not even see the lanes, let alone the half-buried car on the shoulder. I could see Tesla having to issue credits if and when it turns out that existing FSD packages aren't enough for true autonomy.

They had no choice when the decision was made eons ago. LIDAR systems were far too expensive at the time, and probably still are to install as standard equipment. At least theoretically, you can implement autonomous driving with optical cameras and radar alone (we humans can drive with relatively basic vision). I'm not a lawyer, and have no idea if credits would ever come into play. I'm guessing if they can eventually deliver Level 3 autonomy, then they can brush off any pesky class action lawsuits.

But since the decision was made, they have to remain committed. Otherwise, they'd have to retrofit expensive bolt-on equipment onto potentially hundreds of thousands of cars. We saw how hard they fought regulators over replacing a fairly limited number of infotainment computers because they were wearing out the flash memory.

 

[Heartbreaker]

More specifically, Tesla's system is a long way away. Not that Waymo is about to solve everything, but its tech is decidedly more sophisticated.

I honestly wonder why Tesla thinks it can do fully autonomous driving with cameras alone. How would it handle snow when it might not even see the lanes, let alone the half-buried car on the shoulder. I could see Tesla having to issue credits if and when it turns out that existing FSD packages aren't enough for true autonomy.

Waymo is only driving restricted locations that Google have verified. It would be interesting to see how well Waymo would work in a situation like this, where you basically drop it into the hands of random drivers in the heart of random cities and let them play with it.

 

[Dulanic]

Owning a Tesla, I've been fully aware FSD is probably a bit under a decade away. That's not to say they still aren't far ahead of the competition. Autopilot is great, but to address all the use cases is going to be challenging and the current tech in the car won't be capable.

I think anyone who spent the money on current FSD made the wrong decision. AP does most of the things people would want.

I think it's mostly marketing.

 

[bigi]

What the fanboys don’t understand is that the video proves Tesla is not special. There’s no secret FSD sauce that only they have that the rest of the industry and academia doesn’t have. They’re just the only ones dumb enough to let their customers use it. This video is in line with the state of the art that I’ve seen in some ways and worse in many. No surprise that the non-engineers with only a superficial understanding of the topic think it’s amazing though.

What myopic bots don't understand is that Tesla is very special. This shows so much in any tesla related posts.
Tesla has shown its superiority over and over again. Moreover, teslaQ gets their faces ripped off endless times. They still puke and cry.

BTW, the AP is getting another full re-write to accommodate 4D vision. Beta in few weeks per Elon on Twitter.

 

[repoman0]

What myopic bots don't understand is that Tesla is very special. This shows so much in any tesla related posts.
Tesla has shown its superiority over and over again. Moreover, teslaQ gets their faces ripped off endless times. They still puke and cry.

BTW, the AP is getting another full re-write to accommodate 4D vision. Beta in few weeks per Elon on Twitter.

I’m sorry you are so emotionally invested in this. I’d find a hobby so you don’t have to follow me around to defend Elon like his lost puppy. It’s honestly pathetic.

You should be happy that Tesla isn’t special! Competition is good for consumers, and Tesla will have plenty of it like I’ve said for years.

Full rewrite ... as if that’s a good thing. Found another non-engineer!

 

[ponyo]

Should Tesla be scared?

No, GM, Ford, and other legacy automakers need to be scared. Tesla will dominate the worldwide market. Nio and Xpeng will do very well in China and give Tesla really solid competition there. GM and Ford will be squeezed out of China by Tesla, Nio, and Xpeng. So where does that leave GM and Ford when they can't compete in the US or China? They're pretty much screwed although that new Ford CEO seems to have better idea what they must do. GM is all talk and the only value they have is Cruise. Rest of GM is worthless.

The only legacy automakers I have confidence are VW and Hyundai. The rest I think are in major trouble.

I hedged my bet and bought shares of Xpeng at IPO. Xpeng was started because the founders loved Elon and Tesla and wanted to imitate it for China. I think Xpeng will be one of the big winners in China along with Tesla and Nio.

The Chinese are coming and every automakers should be scared. They will be the most formidable competition for Tesla. Because Chinese know tech and they will work relentless just like Tesla. GM, Ford, and others have no chance against Tesla.

 

[Viper GTS]

Owning a Tesla, I've been fully aware FSD is probably a bit under a decade away. That's not to say they still aren't far ahead of the competition. Autopilot is great, but to address all the use cases is going to be challenging and the current tech in the car won't be capable.

I think anyone who spent the money on current FSD made the wrong decision. AP does most of the things people would want.

I think it's mostly marketing.

I would like to be able to add features. I'd pay $500-1000 probably for lane change while in autopilot. Even if it's user initiated and not fully autonomous I find it irrationally annoying to drop out of autopilot to change lanes.

Viper GTS

 

[ondma]

They (Tesla, Ford/GM, Chinese makers, whoever) still have to get the prices down. I was reading, I think it was in Consumer Reports, last night about about how many upcoming new EV models were on the way. Got really excited that maybe finally EVs were coming for the mass market. Instead, nearly every model was a hugely expensive, luxury/high performance model, upwards of 50k, most w....ay upwards. Also, ranges were universally under 300 miles, most in the 200 mile range. So really more of the same old/same old. Ultra expensive toys for those with money to burn.

 

[JEDI]

Should Tesla be scared?

her wearing a thong would be better click bait

 

[JEDI]

Tesla's EPA Driving Ranges Didn't Hold Up to Independent Testing

Tesla's EPA Driving Ranges Didn't Hold Up to Testing. It Tried Again and Still Fell Short

The independent testing sessions don't paint a pretty picture for Tesla.

www.thedrive.com

but the The Porsche Taycan did incredibly well, surpassing its predicted range by over 100 miles

 

[Paratus]

welp

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Yup


(The red looks really good BTW)

 

[Paratus]

Tesla's EPA Driving Ranges Didn't Hold Up to Independent Testing

Tesla's EPA Driving Ranges Didn't Hold Up to Testing. It Tried Again and Still Fell Short

The independent testing sessions don't paint a pretty picture for Tesla.

www.thedrive.com

but the The Porsche Taycan did incredibly well, surpassing its predicted range by over 100 miles

Here’s Edmunds range rankings

Taycan S range over its estimate is impressive but the M3 LR still has the longer range.

Quite frankly the fact that the EPA estimated range dramatically over predicts or under predicts the actual range depending on model and manufacturer indicates a better testing protocol is required.

 

[manly]

Quite frankly the fact that the EPA estimated range dramatically over predicts or under predicts the actual range depending on model and manufacturer indicates a better testing protocol is required.

If I understand correctly, the EPA allows all manufacturers to spend time and money for a more accurate EV range figure but most choose not to!

The Secret Adjustment Factor Tesla Uses to Get Its Big EPA Range Numbers

How Tesla puts distance between itself and the competition while still playing by the EPA's rules.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[Kaido]

100k-mile Model 3 review:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/mqrbif

 

[aigomorla]

heads up for new model 3/y buyers.

The car comes with a mobile charger but does not come with the NEMA 14-50 adapter anymore.
You need to buy this separately.

Gen 2 NEMA Adapters

Use a variety of household outlets to charge your Tesla with a Gen 2 NEMA Adapter. Simply attach the appropriate adapter to your Mobile Connector, plug into the corresponding outlet and begin charging. Adapter Max Distance Gained Per Hour of Charge Model S Model 3 Model X Model Y 5-15 3...

shop.tesla.com

Would of been nice if they told my cousin this.
Lucky for him i have a spare because i have a HPWC unit.
But if i was a new buyer, i would of been screwed stuck at charging 3-4 miles / hour on 120V.

So make sure you order your adapter before delivery, or make sure you have your HPWC installed.


Also Gen1 plugin chargers will not work with the new model 3.
Also it seems you guys got a motorized trunk now.

 

[JEDI]

100k-mile Model 3 review:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/mqrbif

$1k/wk just from weekend Uber?!
HOW??

 

[Kaido]

$1k/wk just from weekend Uber?!
HOW??

My buddy makes around $800 per weekend doing Uber & Uber Eats. He goes up to the local college town & does rides and food deliveries. If you find the right spot at peak times it seems like it can be pretty lucrative!

 

[Ferzerp]

heads up for new model 3/y buyers.

The car comes with a mobile charger but does not come with the NEMA 14-50 adapter anymore.
You need to buy this separately.

Gen 2 NEMA Adapters

Use a variety of household outlets to charge your Tesla with a Gen 2 NEMA Adapter. Simply attach the appropriate adapter to your Mobile Connector, plug into the corresponding outlet and begin charging. Adapter Max Distance Gained Per Hour of Charge Model S Model 3 Model X Model Y 5-15 3...

shop.tesla.com

Would of been nice if they told my cousin this.
Lucky for him i have a spare because i have a HPWC unit.
But if i was a new buyer, i would of been screwed stuck at charging 3-4 miles / hour on 120V.

So make sure you order your adapter before delivery, or make sure you have your HPWC installed.


Also Gen1 plugin chargers will not work with the new model 3.
Also it seems you guys got a motorized trunk now.

What are you calling a "Gen1 plugin charger"? If you mean the mobile charge cable, that's not correct. I still use the spare cord I bought way back when for my Model S in 2015 for the primary charging for my current Model 3 performance (new build, no radar). If you mean the wall connector... That I have no experience with. I think mine is a gen 2 but I never installed it. It's still in the box in my garage.

I guess I like these cars. I'm on my third now (one S, two 3s). On a lark I checked what they'd give me for my 3 year old slow model 3 a couple of weeks ago and ended up with a performance model after seeing what they'd give me. Oops.

 

[Paratus]

I’m enjoying my 2021 M3 LR. Got in with the motorized trunk, heated steering wheel and heat pump, but before they removed the radar.

 

[bigi]

The Model Y will be harder to get. Q3 is already sold out. People apparently got the memo and buy those like hot cakes. The wait times will get longer until Giga Texas starts making them.