32 bit is no longer valid

[n7]

I am eagerly awaiting the results

However (& no offense meant), i am also eagerly awaiting to see how funny & meaningless we find this thread in a couple years, when no self-respecting gamer is running Vista x86

I'm sorry, but i cannot understand how people are swearing by an OS that is so obviously going to be outdated in a very short while.

Now obviously we are going to witness benches for today, which is fair enough, but when you invest in buying an OS, you don't spend hundreds of dollars for the very shortterm (i.e., 32-bit), you invest to use it for years down the road...at least that's what i do.

BTW, Mem, why do you call it x68 instead of x86...what am i missing?

 

[apoppin]

come on Mem - PM sent - i was KIDDING - to the double "D"

no offense meant and none taken

but you are RIGHT about one thing ... i AM on the Dark Side today and REVELING in it ..
-one of those days riding high on painkillers, caffeine and lack of sleep
:evil:
... i *must* solve my cellphone pairing problem - i HATE dialup and the though of D/L'ing *everything for my new OS @ 3-5 kpbs is beyond discouraging.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...144147&highlight_key=y

i am heading over to AT&T and Pantech Support forums as Pantech TS appears to be closed [although their recorded message says they are open on weekends]

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: n7
I am eagerly awaiting the results

However (& no offense meant), i am also eagerly awaiting to see how funny & meaningless we find this thread in a couple years, when no self-respecting gamer is running Vista x86

I'm sorry, but i cannot understand how people are swearing by an OS that is so obviously going to be outdated in a very short while.

Now obviously we are going to witness benches for today, which is fair enough, but when you invest in buying an OS, you don't spend hundreds of dollars for the very shortterm (i.e., 32-bit), you invest to use it for years down the road...at least that's what i do.

BTW, Mem, why do you call it x68 instead of x86...what am i missing?

Typo error by me ,Vista x86 I meant,I type too fast hence all the edits in my posts .

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin
come on Mem - PM sent - i was KIDDING - to the double "D"

no offense meant and none taken

but you are RIGHT about one thing ... i AM on the Dark Side today and REVELING in it ..
-one of those days riding high on painkillers, caffeine and lack of sleep
:evil:
... i *must* solve my cellphone pairing problem - i HATE dialup and the though of D/L'ing *everything for my new OS @ 3-5 kpbs is beyond discouraging.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...144147&highlight_key=y

i am heading over to AT&T and Pantech Support forums as Pantech TS appears to be closed [although their recorded message says they are open on weekends]

I was making sure ,but the point about WOW emulation was to clarify the performance hit .

I also read Windows 7 will be the last 32 bit offering by Microsoft(obviously there'll be a 64 bit version too),so in theory Windows 8 will be 64 bit only,so a few years yet before we see 64 bit become the norm.

Dial-up is worst then Starforce drivers apoppin ,remember what happens to those that go darkside ,as YODA would say " do or not do there's no try" .

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: n7
I am eagerly awaiting the results

However (& no offense meant), i am also eagerly awaiting to see how funny & meaningless we find this thread in a couple years, when no self-respecting gamer is running Vista x86

I'm sorry, but i cannot understand how people are swearing by an OS that is so obviously going to be outdated in a very short while.

Now obviously we are going to witness benches for today, which is fair enough, but when you invest in buying an OS, you don't spend hundreds of dollars for the very shortterm (i.e., 32-bit), you invest to use it for years down the road...at least that's what i do.

tomorrow



and i cannot answer the 'why not' ... perhaps i will have a good grasp of it after i install Win 64 tonight
as i type this ... Vista 32 is the Gold Standard - for today's gamer ... and 99.9 % of all aps are written for 32-bit.

i got OEM Vista for $100 ... i believe i *still* have an upgrade path [only] to 64-bit ... so i can take it *now* ... or later ...

and in 2-3 years i will be building a completely new rig ... by *then* i am pretty sure Vita 64 will be the then standard ... then

but who knows, after i experience it, i may blow away Vista 32 and use Vista 64 and XP32

--best of all worlds [for new and old applications]

Dial-up is worst then Starforce drivers apoppin ,remember what happens to those that go darkside ,as YODA would say " do or not do there's no try" .

well i already AM in deep do-do
:Q

and working thru the pantech and AT&T forums to see the solution
[DS/LS there is a *balance* whatever the choice]

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Vista 32 is the Gold Standard - for today's gamer

Just something i find a bit interesting in regards to that is the "Uber Poll" in GH:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2136327&enterthread=y

Windows Vista 32bit - 12 votes - 7.50%
Windows Vista 64bit - 47 votes - 29.38%

Obviously, a small sample of those on AT isn't representative of much, but it goes to show that for us on AT, x64 Vista is much more common that many would think.

Now of course for the rest of the world, it's all x86, that is absolutely true.

I consider the rest of the world a lost cause though

 

[apoppin]

Thanks, man ... i missed that ... and just voted - for "dual boot"

and now let's get "real"

*The Winner* Windows XP 32bit ... 81 votes 50.31 (%)

update ... and after spending the entire day troubleshooting my bluetooth connection - which included moving my rig physically 15' from one side of the living room to the other - i found the problem:
My device is set up for outgoing Com Port 7 but Vista has assigned Com Port 4 to it
well, yeah ... duh


Maybe you guys can help me ... how do i change COM ports in Vista?


*no matter what* - dial-up or [low] "high speed" ... i am installing Vista 64 tonight
... unless i pass out when the caffeine rushes start to get further apart

 

[wordsworm]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Thanks, man ... i missed that ... and just voted - for "dual boot"

and now let's get "real"

*The Winner* Windows XP 32bit ... 81 votes 50.31 (%)

update ... and after spending the entire day troubleshooting my bluetooth connection - which included moving my rig physically 15' from one side of the living room to the other - i found the problem:
My device is set up for outgoing Com Port 7 but Vista has assigned Com Port 4 to it
well, yeah ... duh


Maybe you guys can help me ... how do i change COM ports in Vista?


*no matter what* - dial-up or [low] "high speed" ... i am installing Vista 64 tonight
... unless i pass out when the caffeine rushes start to get further apart

So, by votes XP 32 bit is the gold standard. wtg.

When you use the word 'gold standard', you are referring to something that is the best. Since it's impossible for any 32 bit OS to address 4GB or more of memory at any given time (PAE is a workaround), and since there's a 64 bit OS which can do it, Vista 64 is clearly a superior platform. This isn't the case 2 years from now. 2 years from now 64 bit will be what everyone has to have just to run the latest software.

Even software that isn't coded for 64 bit may make use of more RAM than they could under a 32 bit environment. Photoshop has been pointed out time and again as a stellar example of something that can use as much as 2GB <i>per image</i> to make use of a system that has 8 GB of RAM to address rather than the significantly inferior limitation that 32 bit forces. Most articles online about Photoshop recommend running it under 64 bit for this reason. So, even for 32 bit applications, a 64 bit environment can be emphatically stated as the OS of choice.

 

[wordsworm]

An interesting update. I put in a little pole, that caused quite a bit of negative feedback for whatever reason. But the pole has shown that more than half of the respondents now use Vista 64. Maybe you folks who've contributed to the thread can add to the poll if you don't mind.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

 

[zeroburrito]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: apoppin
Vista 32 is the Gold Standard - for today's gamer

Just something i find a bit interesting in regards to that is the "Uber Poll" in GH:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2136327&enterthread=y

Windows Vista 32bit - 12 votes - 7.50%
Windows Vista 64bit - 47 votes - 29.38%

Obviously, a small sample of those on AT isn't representative of much, but it goes to show that for us on AT, x64 Vista is much more common that many would think.

Now of course for the rest of the world, it's all x86, that is absolutely true.

I consider the rest of the world a lost cause though

AT people are just tech freaks. of course they will vote 64. it's the higher number. higher = better =0 lets not kid ourselves. most gamers use xp in 32bit. better performance, better everything(but a lower number of ram!). for dx10. the best is to dual boot and ONLY vista for that purpose alone. though dx10 is pretty much unplayable to most gamers. gamers, not tech freaks that don't care about gameplay.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: wordsworm
An interesting update. I put in a little pole, that caused quite a bit of negative feedback for whatever reason. But the pole has shown that more than half of the respondents now use Vista 64. Maybe you folks who've contributed to the thread can add to the poll if you don't mind.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

P-O-L-L

the only thing i have learned is that you spin, spin, spin major FUD here ... i won't respond to dignify your other thread - you are already getting sufficient and well-deserved flames, imo

i have had BSoDs with Vista 32 and 64 ... so what? .. with XP and Win2K and every MS OS before then .. even 100 votes means *nothing*

your little skewed poll shows *ZERO* ... everyone here knows Vista 64 is a stable alternative to Vista 32 ... and absolutely not more "high end" for current 32-bit gaming

Perhaps the Valve survey would actually be useful
-they are also *gamers* ... and over 1.2 million rigs - which IS relevant.



http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

This survey began November 13th, 2007. Last updated: 3:53am PST (11:53 GMT), February 09 2008 Unique Samples: 1,213,668

Windows Version


Windows XP 998,041 82.24 %

Windows Vista 32 bit - 167,202 - 13.78 %
Windows Vista 64 bit - 29,912 - 2.46 %

Windows 2003 64 bit 8,928 0.74 %
Windows 2000 7,720 0.64 %
Other 1,830 0.15 %

now what were you trying to say again?


Vista 32 is 14% to 2.5% for Vista 64 of the total percentage of 1.2 million gamer's rigs OSes surveyed.
:roll:

 

[zeroburrito]

lolz.

 

[apoppin]

well, with 2.5% of gamers using Vista 64, is there any doubt *why* so little attention is paid to it by Devs

when the 64-bit user base grows so will the number of aps and then so will it's popularity ... ad infinitum

what surprises me is that - after only 1 year - 16.5% of gamers surveyed already migrated to Vista ... that IS a big and growing [DX10] base to develop for right now ... i'd say in 3 years 64-bit will be relevant

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin
well, with 2.5% of gamers using Vista 64, is there any doubt *why* so little attention is paid to it by Devs

when the 64-bit user base grows so will the number of aps and then so will it's popularity ... ad infinitum

what surprises me is that - after only 1 year - 16.5% of gamers surveyed already migrated to Vista ... that IS a big and growing [DX10] base to develop for right now ... i'd say in 3 years 64-bit will be relevant

Gamers are always in the minority regardless of the OS in question,some companies ie Dell in UK no longer give you the option of selecting Vista x64 for a new laptop online (only XP or Vista x86).I had to go 32 bit Vista ,I guess I can use that until Windows 7( 64 bit version) appears.

64 bit growth is taking longer then most people thought,however there will become a time when its mainstream,at the moment I'm quite happy to play my 32 bit games on my main PC(Vista x64) with negilable performance hit(not noticeable in gaming for me anyways).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin
well, with 2.5% of gamers using Vista 64, is there any doubt *why* so little attention is paid to it by Devs

when the 64-bit user base grows so will the number of aps and then so will it's popularity ... ad infinitum

what surprises me is that - after only 1 year - 16.5% of gamers surveyed already migrated to Vista ... that IS a big and growing [DX10] base to develop for right now ... i'd say in 3 years 64-bit will be relevant

Gamers are always in the minority regardless of the OS in question,some companies ie Dell in UK no longer give you the option of selecting Vista x64 for a new laptop online (only XP or Vista x86).I had to go 32 bit Vista ,I guess I can use that until Windows 7( 64 bit version) appears.

64 bit growth is taking longer then most people thought,however there will become a time when its mainstream,at the moment I'm quite happy to play my 32 bit games on my main PC(Vista x64) with negilable performance hit(not noticeable in gaming for me anyways).

i don't disagree with you - not at all ... all i am just pointing out that *gamers* using Vista 64 are a tiny minority
-well, actually as far as *all users* are concerned, Vista 64 is but a tiny minority.

it will change - there are currently tangible advantages for some users ... and i thank the 'pioneers' and early adopters for making it such an excellent and stable alternative to Vista32

i am also quite happy to game on Vista64 ... it's a couple of issues - like the need for 'signed drivers' - that kill it for me. i don't want to "workaround". i will reevaluate Vista64 again ... probably with my next MB change.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin
well, with 2.5% of gamers using Vista 64, is there any doubt *why* so little attention is paid to it by Devs

when the 64-bit user base grows so will the number of aps and then so will it's popularity ... ad infinitum

what surprises me is that - after only 1 year - 16.5% of gamers surveyed already migrated to Vista ... that IS a big and growing [DX10] base to develop for right now ... i'd say in 3 years 64-bit will be relevant

Gamers are always in the minority regardless of the OS in question,some companies ie Dell in UK no longer give you the option of selecting Vista x64 for a new laptop online (only XP or Vista x86).I had to go 32 bit Vista ,I guess I can use that until Windows 7( 64 bit version) appears.

64 bit growth is taking longer then most people thought,however there will become a time when its mainstream,at the moment I'm quite happy to play my 32 bit games on my main PC(Vista x64) with negilable performance hit(not noticeable in gaming for me anyways).

i don't disagree with you - not at all ... all i am just pointing out that *gamers* using Vista 64 are a tiny minority
-well, actually as far as *all users* are concerned, Vista 64 is but a tiny minority.

it will change - there are currently tangible advantages for some users ... and i thank the 'pioneers' and early adopters for making it such an excellent and stable alternative to Vista32

i am also quite happy to game on Vista64 ... it's a couple of issues - like the need for 'signed drivers' - that kill it for me. i don't want to "workaround". i will reevaluate Vista64 again ... probably with my next MB change.

I was agreeing with you ,64 bit users in general are in the minority,gamers in general are in the minority compared to other users.

 

[JustaGeek]

So.... going back to the OP... and the great work of apoppin and nullpointerus...


And in light of the Steam survey...


How the heck does 2.46% make the 97.54% no longer valid...? :laugh:

 

[wordsworm]

Originally posted by: JustaGeek

So.... going back to the OP... and the great work of apoppin and nullpointerus...


And in light of the Steam survey...


How the heck does 2.46% make the 97.54% no longer valid...? :laugh:

Did you check out my AT survey?

 

[apoppin]

Did you check out my AT survey?

it was good for a laugh
did you check out the Valve survey of 1.2 million gamers ?

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

... Vista 64 is insignificant - even compared to Vista 32, never-mind XP

 

[gingerstewart55]

Originally posted by: JustaGeek

Sorry - you have failed to demonstrate Vista 64 superiority so far.

In all actuality, who gives a rat's anus what you want proven to you? In all the posts in this entire thread, you seem to just want to stir the shit pot......nothing more. Over and over different people have presented reasons why they feel Vista x64 is better, yet you belittle and discount each and every single argument.

So keep your 32 bit OS......who gives a fuck? Seems only you do........and you seem intent on rubbing everyone else's nose in your buttstink just to prove your old 32 bit OS is just as good as the current 64 bit OS.

BTW......if you're having problems with Vista.........it's you that suck at computers, and not a Vista problem. Ever wonder why more and more people are using it without issues at all yet you seem to be having so many problems.......seems maybe you are the obstructionist?

Not ready for prime time.........rubbish. Just more feces being spewed from your fetid face. Grow up......leave your house.....get a life.

Everyone gets a warning, and this is yours. Talk about the technology and not the poster and what you think of them for having opinions. If you can't, post no further. No personal attacks. Please read the forum guidelines before you post again.

Anandtech Moderator-
Keysplayr2003

 

[wordsworm]

Originally posted by: gingerstewart55

Originally posted by: JustaGeek

Sorry - you have failed to demonstrate Vista 64 superiority so far.

In all actuality, who gives a rat's anus what you want proven to you? In all the posts in this entire thread, you seem to just want to stir the shit pot......nothing more. Over and over different people have presented reasons why they feel Vista x64 is better, yet you belittle and discount each and every single argument.

So keep your 32 bit OS......who gives a fuck? Seems only you do........and you seem intent on rubbing everyone else's nose in your buttstink just to prove your old 32 bit OS is just as good as the current 64 bit OS.

BTW......if you're having problems with Vista.........it's you that suck at computers, and not a Vista problem. Ever wonder why more and more people are using it without issues at all yet you seem to be having so many problems.......seems maybe you are the obstructionist?

Not ready for prime time.........rubbish. Just more feces being spewed from your fetid face. Grow up......leave your house.....get a life.

Everyone gets a warning, and this is yours. Talk about the technology and not the poster and what you think of them for having opinions. If you can't, post no further. No personal attacks. Please read the forum guidelines before you post again.

Anandtech Moderator-
Keysplayr2003

Wow, JustaGeek is mild compared to the flames I've been getting from the CPU forum.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: wordsworm

Originally posted by: gingerstewart55

Originally posted by: JustaGeek

Sorry - you have failed to demonstrate Vista 64 superiority so far.

In all actuality, who gives a rat's anus what you want proven to you? In all the posts in this entire thread, you seem to just want to stir the shit pot......nothing more. Over and over different people have presented reasons why they feel Vista x64 is better, yet you belittle and discount each and every single argument.

So keep your 32 bit OS......who gives a fuck? Seems only you do........and you seem intent on rubbing everyone else's nose in your buttstink just to prove your old 32 bit OS is just as good as the current 64 bit OS.

BTW......if you're having problems with Vista.........it's you that suck at computers, and not a Vista problem. Ever wonder why more and more people are using it without issues at all yet you seem to be having so many problems.......seems maybe you are the obstructionist?

Not ready for prime time.........rubbish. Just more feces being spewed from your fetid face. Grow up......leave your house.....get a life.

Everyone gets a warning, and this is yours. Talk about the technology and not the poster and what you think of them for having opinions. If you can't, post no further. No personal attacks. Please read the forum guidelines before you post again.

Anandtech Moderator-
Keysplayr2003

Wow, JustaGeek is mild compared to the flames I've been getting from the CPU forum.

JustaGeek got flamed.

... and Keys moderates both forums

Why are you getting flamed?
--i can't bear to look

 

[wordsworm]

I'm getting flamed because I wanted to find out what Vista under which CPU gets the most BSODs. As far as I can tell, it was innocuous. I have replaced my AMD with an Intel. Problems I have had with Intel haven't existed with AMD. I wanted to know if there was a substantial difference between the two platforms.

 

[JustaGeek]

Originally posted by: gingerstewart55

Originally posted by: JustaGeek

Sorry - you have failed to demonstrate Vista 64 superiority so far.

In all actuality, who gives a rat's anus what you want proven to you? In all the posts in this entire thread, you seem to just want to stir the shit pot......nothing more. Over and over different people have presented reasons why they feel Vista x64 is better, yet you belittle and discount each and every single argument.

So keep your 32 bit OS......who gives a fuck? Seems only you do........and you seem intent on rubbing everyone else's nose in your buttstink just to prove your old 32 bit OS is just as good as the current 64 bit OS.

BTW......if you're having problems with Vista.........it's you that suck at computers, and not a Vista problem. Ever wonder why more and more people are using it without issues at all yet you seem to be having so many problems.......seems maybe you are the obstructionist?

Not ready for prime time.........rubbish. Just more feces being spewed from your fetid face. Grow up......leave your house.....get a life.

Everyone gets a warning, and this is yours. Talk about the technology and not the poster and what you think of them for having opinions. If you can't, post no further. No personal attacks. Please read the forum guidelines before you post again.

Anandtech Moderator-
Keysplayr2003

Why would you guys think it refers to me...?

It's gingerstewart55 who got flamed, not me!!!

 

[JustaGeek]

BTW, it was just an ugly personal attack, having absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

Did this person even realize that I AM running Vista 64...?

Yes, slower or faster, it has been my primary OS for over 1 month now, and I have to admit that I haven't logged in to my XP since early January...