Did you ever drive the Genesis Sedan? It's hardly a tiburon. I was doing valet one night in St. Louis, and I parked one. I thought I was moving some kind of Mercedes at first. I parked bmw's, benz's, lexus's, etc. and the Genesis was the nicest car. I couldn't believe it was a Hyundai.
But the TSX will last twice as long; and it's more refined than your ford
The TSX isn't a rocket. It's a nice entry-level luxury car, thats very reliable, and isn't boring to drive.
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the TSX was never fast, but the previous version was at least a good drive. when i was testing one out back to back with a V6 accord i was wishing that i could get the TSX's steering and suspension with the accord's drive train. TSX had to shift shift shift to do anything. with the V6 available for 2010 it's finally got the power it needs but it sounds like they've buick'd up the driving.
edit: V6 tsx is way too expensive. 35K to start and the only real option is a 'tech package' at 3K. rather get a G37 for that.
apparently it is, now.
edit: V6 tsx is way too expensive. 35K to start and the only real option is a 'tech package' at 3K. rather get a G37 for that.
compared to what though? I haven't driven the new version of the TSX, but I can't imagine it being "boring" to drive. They might have softened the car up a bit, but I'm certain it's still a fine car and far from a buick. I wouldn't spend the extra money and get the V-6 TSX; but I think it's well worth the <$30K price tag the OP is looking for.
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I have an 07 TSX and had an 09 as loaner for about a week. The new one feels more like a luxury-sporty car than the last gen which was more of a sports-luxury car. If that makes sense - just more emphasis on the lux now than before.
It feels bigger and less nimble. The steering isn't as tight and I was overwhelmed by the amount of buttons at first.
Overall feels more like what I would expect from a Lexus type of car (read: softer). Nevertheless, it's still a very decent car and my opinion is definitely a bit bias.
The TSX can't really fight against the G37 and 335i... but would probably do okay against an IS250 or A4, but with much less torque. I suppose the V6 will improve the power, but I don't know how much torque-steer and weight will be added to it. Sadly, V6 is auto only.
The 2.3L I4 turbo from the RDX might've been a better choice for the TSX.
Holy shit, seriously?
My fucking Tacoma goes 0-60 in 7 seconds flat, and all I've added was cold air and cat-back (so far...) - stock is 7.4
Granted, the Taco is fast for a truck, but still...there's no excuse for a sedan with a 0-60 time above 8 seconds...especially not from a luxury marque.
Not trying to troll here but you pretty much have to go under all cars to change the oil/filter. That being said, I always took my car to the dealer for oil changes while it was under warranty, I figured if anything major broke they couldn't argue that I'd had it properly serviced..
2010 Legacy GT if you like the new style. 28.5k for 265 hp AWD goodness. If I could have waited a year, I would probably have one this fall 
As for the TSX, the 2004 I had was a lot of fun and pretty nice. They really screwed up with the new one though. It should of had a small V6 or Turbo 4 from the beginning. Now they release a bloated (3700 lbs?!!) V6 at a price competing with RWD sports sedans from Audi, BMW, and Infiniti... good luck.
Hell, Hyundai just gave us a RWD coupe, how many people here would be all over a coupe built on the S2000 platform with a turbo 4 and an Integra or RSX nameplate?
As for the TSX, the 2004 I had was a lot of fun and pretty nice. They really screwed up with the new one though. It should of had a small V6 or Turbo 4 from the beginning. Now they release a bloated (3700 lbs?!!) V6 at a price competing with RWD sports sedans from Audi, BMW, and Infiniti... good luck.
Hell, Hyundai just gave us a RWD coupe, how many people here would be all over a coupe built on the S2000 platform with a turbo 4 and an Integra or RSX nameplate?
Subaru makes a good car, but Always-On AWD systems are just fucking expensive to manufacture, hence the high price of Subies compared to competitors.
I admire the company though - they get better and better with every generation of redesigns and no one seems to notice. They're flying entirely under the public radar, and it's paying off for their company.
...Try again. The Genesis has gotten nothing but praise from pretty much everyone that matters. The only knock people seem to be able to bring against it is "it's a Hyundai".
Time will tell on reliability, but they seem to have gotten everything else right with the Genesis. Much like Subaru, Hyundai has been steadily getting better without anyone noticing. Stigmas take a long time to shake in the auto industry, mainly because people are ill informed.
Mark my words, quote it, whatever you want....Hyundai will be the first Korean vehicle manufacturer that the Euros and Japanese have to take seriously as competition...if they haven't already.
I admire the company though - they get better and better with every generation of redesigns and no one seems to notice. They're flying entirely under the public radar, and it's paying off for their company.
...Try again. The Genesis has gotten nothing but praise from pretty much everyone that matters. The only knock people seem to be able to bring against it is "it's a Hyundai".
Time will tell on reliability, but they seem to have gotten everything else right with the Genesis. Much like Subaru, Hyundai has been steadily getting better without anyone noticing. Stigmas take a long time to shake in the auto industry, mainly because people are ill informed.
Mark my words, quote it, whatever you want....Hyundai will be the first Korean vehicle manufacturer that the Euros and Japanese have to take seriously as competition...if they haven't already.
Guys, the Tacoma and the MB E350 have 6 cylinder engines. Compare the MB E350 to the TL or the RL.
Squeezing 200hp-205hp out of a naturally aspired 4 banger is pretty good.
Numbers on paper don't mean shit. The Tacoma has significantly lower hp and torque ratings than the Nissan Frontier, the closest thing it has to a competitor (there really isn't one), but it spanks the Frontier in pretty much every real world test because the majority of the engine's power is available earlier in the band. No one drives their car 200 RPM below redline during real-world use.
The number that matters more is powertrain efficiency. Engine power ratings come from the manufacturer as measured at the crankshaft, not the tires. A lower rated, more efficient powertrain could very well be delivering more scoot to the wheels than a higher rated engine with a less efficient tranny. The Tacoma has a masterfully efficient drivetrain, losing only about 12% of its power between the crankshaft and the wheels in stock configurations. Most vehicles lose somewhere from 15 to 20%. This is what accounts for its un-trucklike abilities in areas like acceleration and top speed.
The point is, the Tacoma and E350 may have 6 cylinders, but they're also MUCH heavier than the TSX. Both are close to 4000lbs. They should, given lower power to weight ratios, be slower than the TSX.
Having a vehicle move that slowly, especially in the luxury marque market, is just shitty engineering, and Honda should know better. They're certainly capable of better. They mated an engine and transmission that apparently just don't work well together.
Honda/Acura have never been horsepower showboaters; they're more concerned with reliability, refinement, and efficient high-reving engines
For $30k, you can't have everything. Name a competitor to the TSX (with the exception of a fully loaded Accord) that provides reliability, a fun driving experience, and entry-level luxury....?
Just look at this
Ok, just looked up the curb weight on the Acura TSX: 3400+ lbs.
That explains the problem. It should never have even been offered with a 4 cylinder. That sucker is heavy for the size, and 4 bangers aren't going to make enough torque to get it moving off the line with alacrity.
Probably does fine in the top end, but acceleration = fun to drive, not top speed.
You're switching to a different argument and getting off topic. I'm not questioning Honda's reliability or build quality. I'm saying the current-gen TSX's acceleration is shit and inexcusable in a luxury brand, and that Honda fucked up and can damn well do better.
It's disappointing really, because Honda's line of vehicles under their Honda marque are pretty much all best-in-class with the exception of the Ridgeline (that thing is a joke). If I were looking for a sedan or coupe right now it would be a Honda, no question.
That explains the problem. It should never have even been offered with a 4 cylinder. That sucker is heavy for the size, and 4 bangers aren't going to make enough torque to get it moving off the line with alacrity.
Probably does fine in the top end, but acceleration = fun to drive, not top speed.
You're switching to a different argument and getting off topic. I'm not questioning Honda's reliability or build quality. I'm saying the current-gen TSX's acceleration is shit and inexcusable in a luxury brand, and that Honda fucked up and can damn well do better.
It's disappointing really, because Honda's line of vehicles under their Honda marque are pretty much all best-in-class with the exception of the Ridgeline (that thing is a joke). If I were looking for a sedan or coupe right now it would be a Honda, no question.
Legacy :thumbsup:
Mazda :thumbsdown: I don't consider Mazda to be up to par with Subaru and Acura's reliablity
Hmm, I wonder what my 04 TSX does in 0-60....It's definetly not a fast car, but it moves fast enough.
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I don't really care much about the statistical reliability method. Bottom line, if you are unlucky, you are going to get a lemon, no matter who you buy it from.
And the Ford Fusion = Mazda 6, so their reliability should be on par. Speed 3 and RX8 are probably more finicky but that comes with the territory of enthusiast cars.
sdifox
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To op, seriously consider an off lease. You can definitely get 7 years out of a slightly used E350
Back in Dec08/Jan 09 I was shopping for a car. Instead of getting a new Camry/Altima/6/Accord, I got an 06 E350 4Matic with 42,000 km on it.
PS I got it off a Ford dealership in Peoria of all things...
here is an 07 CLK350 with 32k asking 27k
07 MB CLK350
shit, screw that, here is an 07 SLK280 with 24k mi asking 29k
07 SLK280
Just noticed you are in california. There is a lot of good deals in Cali.
Back in Dec08/Jan 09 I was shopping for a car. Instead of getting a new Camry/Altima/6/Accord, I got an 06 E350 4Matic with 42,000 km on it.
PS I got it off a Ford dealership in Peoria of all things...
here is an 07 CLK350 with 32k asking 27k
07 MB CLK350
shit, screw that, here is an 07 SLK280 with 24k mi asking 29k
07 SLK280
Just noticed you are in california. There is a lot of good deals in Cali.
DivideBYZero
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