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300 - The Tale of the Greeks

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Infohawk said:
For the same reason you brought up genocide in a thread where it's completely irrelevant: you're a troll.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. European countries losing economic significance can and has led to genocidal behavior. This is concerning to many people who aren't white supremacists.
 
Actually the problem is that the Euro was a disaster and I called it back then. You just can't have a bunch of different governments on a vastly different economic scale merge and create a new currency. The average wage in Greece is a lot lower than the average wage in Germany. So in essence, a German can go into Greece with a lot more buying power. The other problem is after this happened, the prices on a lot of good skyrocketed. One day a bottle of water in Greece cost .50 and then the next day its $1 euro with the change of money.

Its almost like the Mexico scrapping the Peso and going to the dollar. Mexicans would be at a huge disadvantage with their much lower wages.
 
RabidMongoose said:
I think that most of the world needs to be concerned when a European country slides into third world status. This type of situation will likely lead in genocide or other sorts of European aggression. The US should place an aircraft carrier group outside of Greece as a sign that the world is tired of European violence, especially since this is the direction that most European countries are going.
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Are you fucking retarded? First of all, there's already a carrier group within strike distance of Greece (OMG, someone at DoD must think like you!) Second of all, who exactly would carry out a genocide, and who would it be directed at? The rest of Europe decides the Greeks are worthless and kills them wholesale? The Greeks pick out the worst among their countrymen and start slaughtering them?
 
Nebor said:
Are you fucking retarded? First of all, there's already a carrier group within strike distance of Greece (OMG, someone at DoD must think like you!) Second of all, who exactly would carry out a genocide, and who would it be directed at? The rest of Europe decides the Greeks are worthless and kills them wholesale? The Greeks pick out the worst among their countrymen and start slaughtering them?
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The Albanian minority in Greece would probably be the target of a slaughter. There is also a large Roma community surviving there despite brutal oppression. Everyone knows how many Europeans, Greek or otherwise, feel about Roma. They aren't even considered humans.

The situation is very troubling.
 
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CanOWorms said:
The Albanian minority in Greece would probably be the target of a slaughter. There is also a large Roma community surviving there despite brutal oppression. Everyone knows how many Europeans, Greek or otherwise, feel about Roma. They aren't even considered humans.
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That's how pretty much everyone feels about them once they've been around them and see how they live (and steal, and lie.)

If you and RabidMongoose are right, and the Europeans are due for another genocide, it seems like it'd be a minimal loss to the world if they exterminated the gypsies AND we'd get to reset their ol' genocide countdown for another ~20 years or so. Win win?
 
Nebor said:
Are you fucking retarded? First of all, there's already a carrier group within strike distance of Greece (OMG, someone at DoD must think like you!) Second of all, who exactly would carry out a genocide, and who would it be directed at? The rest of Europe decides the Greeks are worthless and kills them wholesale? The Greeks pick out the worst among their countrymen and start slaughtering them?
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Striking distance isn't much of a warning. I'm talking about parking one right off the Greek coast. Europe needs to know that the world isn't going to stand idle and let European genocide go out of control again. We're all tired of it.
 
BarneyFife said:
Actually the problem is that the Euro was a disaster and I called it back then. You just can't have a bunch of different governments on a vastly different economic scale merge and create a new currency. The average wage in Greece is a lot lower than the average wage in Germany. So in essence, a German can go into Greece with a lot more buying power. The other problem is after this happened, the prices on a lot of good skyrocketed. One day a bottle of water in Greece cost .50 and then the next day its $1 euro with the change of money.

Its almost like the Mexico scrapping the Peso and going to the dollar. Mexicans would be at a huge disadvantage with their much lower wages.
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it could work if all the countries sorted their financials out 1st - of course that means it will never happen (all countries involved would have to have 0 debt).
 
Doppel said:
Yes, they absolutely will not be able to get out of this without defaulting or debt forgiveness. Their economy is too weak and too debt laden and interest rates are sick. Do you know 2 year bonds went as high as 30% recently? THIRTY PERCENT. How can more time possibly help that?
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There is nothing "absolute" about Greece. Noone can claim they have "the" solution without speculating outside the facts. As much as it's possible for Greece to make it without a reconstruction of the debt it's still as possible they wont make it without a reconstruction.

The loan from IMF and the EU is not, if I've understood things correctly, linked to the 2yr bonds. I highly doubt IMF and EU demand 30% rates.
 
RabidMongoose said:
Striking distance isn't much of a warning. I'm talking about parking one right off the Greek coast. Europe needs to know that the world isn't going to stand idle and let European genocide go out of control again. We're all tired of it.
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Uh, it's less than 200 miles off the Greek coast. Optimal operating range for carrier based operations and Tomahawk missile strikes. Are you arguing for moving it within range of shore based anti-ship weaponry? Again, are you fucking retarded?
 
PingviN said:
There is nothing "absolute" about Greece. Noone can claim they have "the" solution without speculating outside the facts. As much as it's possible for Greece to make it without a reconstruction of the debt it's still as possible they wont make it without a reconstruction.

The loan from IMF and the EU is not, if I've understood things correctly, linked to the 2yr bonds. I highly doubt IMF and EU demand 30% rates.
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Yes I agree none of us are prescient. I disagree, obviously, with the apparent logic that just because it could go one of two ways that the odds of either one are 50%.

I'm surprised that two people are seriously (?) talking about genocide in Greece as a result of this and both of them are in the same thread. That brings up the percentage of crazy in this thread quite high indeed.
 
Greece is going to go communist; http://inter.kke.gr/

There was a communist push after World War 2 - guerillas taking over villages. Killing soldiers loyal to the monarchy/dictator. Then, the monarchy got all abusive and threw out / punished MANY people. Many innocent people were harmed in the process as well.

Then the monarchy was exiled. And, you have the modern Democratic Socialist Nationalist government entity in place. Abuse and corruption since the 90's has led to this current state of affairs.

The KKE was allowed to exist,... and even participate in modern day democratic elections. Now, they are making a move to rally up all the workers being cut their rights and benefits.
 
Jaskalas said:
The modern world has many benefits built on pyramid schemes. Those schemes run their course and bankruptcy is ensured. The cradled populace, thinking those benefits are their birth right, riot and destroy civilization.

The entitlement mentality killed democracy. The United States WILL go the way of Greece.
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This is the truth.

The same morons who can't figure out why they can't afford a $500K house on $50K/yr. can't be expected to see through politicians telling them the lie that taxes can be low but gov't benefits can be unlimited. Even those that CAN see through the lies don't want to - they are like fat people still holding out hope for a "miracle" diet that lets you get thin eating brownie sundaes and double-cheeseburgers all day.
 
A similar pyramid scheme in Albania caused a civil war in 1997

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_schemes_in_Albania

To compare with Greece, these schemes were private and used the inexperience of the Albanian State & its citizens.

Greece, on the other hand, is a state driven disaster. Greece was prematurely accepted into European Union and Eurozone for political reasons (To create an Eastern Border for Europe and Eurozone) which has backfired today.
 
It's about time the Greeks faced the music and defaulted. Anyone who's been paying attention should not be surprised by this. What I am surprised it that the Greeks showed more backbone than the Irish.
 
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