30 years on nothing---30 year sentence for saying the wrong thing---

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarassing that someone like you is in the military.

NO! NO! Da basement! Da basement! Trigger is in da Basement!:evil::Q:music:

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Jesus, come on people. At least stick to you position.

People bitch and moan about how Bush and the .gov just KNEW there would be a terrorist attack and they did nothing.

Now, you HAVE a terrorist who was planning an attack and you think he should be just let free??

Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

That pretty much nails it on the head. Lets say this guy blew up a building somewhere. The Bush administration would get chastized and people would say "He even told people he was going to do it and DID NOTHING!" :roll:

arrested for speech is nothing new.

May not be new for Communist loving America haters but for real true Americans that is not acceptable

You mean the real true Americans like yourself who support stealing from the rich to give to the poor, providing no corporate incentives to do business in America, who want aamnesty for illegals, who want government run healthcare and want to scrap parts of that pesky Consitution?

Gotchya.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

How about this: we'll let you hug their corpses...?

I bet you can't wait until your enlistment is over so you can be all you can be as a soldier of fortune. The military is NOT about killing, destroying, annihilating etc. How did you pass the psych eval at enlistment time?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

How about this: we'll let you hug their corpses...?

I bet you can't wait until your enlistment is over so you can be all you can be as a soldier of fortune. The military is NOT about killing, destroying, annihilating etc. How did you pass the psych eval at enlistment time?

Yes, the military is about rescuing kittens from trees and helping the elderly adjust their rabbit ears to get better reception for Matlock. The military's purpose is for killing, destroying, and annihilating an opposing military (unless they surrender) when all other options have failed.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

How about this: we'll let you hug their corpses...?

I bet you can't wait until your enlistment is over so you can be all you can be as a soldier of fortune. The military is NOT about killing, destroying, annihilating etc. How did you pass the psych eval at enlistment time?

Yes, the military is about rescuing kittens from trees and helping the elderly adjust their rabbit ears to get better reception for Matlock. The military's purpose is for killing, destroying, and annihilating an opposing military (unless they surrender) when all other options have failed.

I feel cheated. 22 years in the military and I didn't get to kill, destroy, annihilate anything.

I want my money back.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

How about this: we'll let you hug their corpses...?

I bet you can't wait until your enlistment is over so you can be all you can be as a soldier of fortune. The military is NOT about killing, destroying, annihilating etc. How did you pass the psych eval at enlistment time?

I wish him the best in doing so. Those Blackwater contractors are making money like crazy!

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: OS
against us

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
So if a legitimate authority does it---its OK

How about the Salem witch hunts---Saccoand Vinceti---the chicago 7--the good old Spanish Inqusition,
vigallante justice, all those prisoners freed from death row with DNA evidence when the jury made a mistake, the killing fields of Cambodia---I could keep going---but you get the idea.

We are supposed to be better than that------but sometimes our passions about thought crimes
get the better of our common sense.

And all you Walter Middy types out there---watch your step.---fantasy is now illegal.

Consipracy is not a "thought crime".

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

How about this: we'll let you hug their corpses...?

I bet you can't wait until your enlistment is over so you can be all you can be as a soldier of fortune. The military is NOT about killing, destroying, annihilating etc. How did you pass the psych eval at enlistment time?

That is half of the problem with most civilians: they do not understand that a standing military is meant to do just that: destroy an enemy.

Sure there are other roles that a modern military must play -- such as rebuilding, educating, and advising -- but all of those are secondary to the primary mission which is destroying our enemies.

Btw, I just re-enlisted for six more years, so I'm not quite sure what you meant with your "soldier of fortune" comment...

Last, most soldiers do not take "psych evals" when entering the service. Where do you get this stuff?!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

How about this: we'll let you hug their corpses...?

I bet you can't wait until your enlistment is over so you can be all you can be as a soldier of fortune. The military is NOT about killing, destroying, annihilating etc. How did you pass the psych eval at enlistment time?

Yes, the military is about rescuing kittens from trees and helping the elderly adjust their rabbit ears to get better reception for Matlock. The military's purpose is for killing, destroying, and annihilating an opposing military (unless they surrender) when all other options have failed.

I feel cheated. 22 years in the military and I didn't get to kill, destroy, annihilate anything.

I want my money back.

22 years in the service and nobody ever explained the primary mission to you? What exactly did you do in "the military"? Were you a member of one of the branch bands or volleyball teams?

odd...

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I wish the whole Bush family was never born..

*If I don't post tomorrow you will know what happened to me

Blame Bush? How about Clinton. He's the one, with Democrat Patrick Moynahan's urging, that appointed her.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

I wasn't aware that the military advocated the philosophy of executing all enemy prisoners (as you apparently do).

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

I wasn't aware that the military advocated the philosophy of executing all enemy prisoners (as you apparently do).

I said no such thing. I simply spelled out the primary mission of our military which some of you seem to forget on occasion - killing.

However, I also believe that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for violent fanatics. That label does not apply to "all prisoners of war." But, for those where the shoe fits, a bullet in the head or a rope around the neck are both legitimate punishments.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

I wasn't aware that the military advocated the philosophy of executing all enemy prisoners (as you apparently do).

I said no such thing. I simply spelled out the primary mission of our military which some of you seem to forget on occasion - killing.

However, I also believe that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for violent fanatics. That label does not apply to "all prisoners of war." But, for those where the shoe fits, a bullet in the head or a rope around the neck are both legitimate punishments.

Primary mission: Defend the Constitution.
Secondary mission: Defend the homeland.

There's a reason it's called the Department of Defense and not the Department of Killing.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I wish the whole Bush family was never born..

*If I don't post tomorrow you will know what happened to me

I REALLY don't think Bush has anything to do with this.

It also boggles my mind that someone that was planning to do this gets 30 years, yet someone who was an accomplice in the 9-11 attacks (That were executed as you all know) only gets 15 years (Granted it is Germany).

Personally, I think that the 9-11 conspirator should get Life in Prison or the Death Sentence. This guy, planned on doing something. He cannot be let back out on the streets. However, I also don't think that 30 years is the right call. Sending him to a mental institution seems like the best way to solve this.

-Kevin

 

[Fern]

You can get put behind bars for saying certain things nowadays?

"Planning" an attack goes far beyond merely "saying things".

Reading so many stories like women having restraining orders against their violent spouse and not being able to obtain help from the police until AFTER a crime happened - they were killed - leads me to applaud the actual prevention of a crime. Instead of the mere prosecution after the crime was committed - who the fvck does that help?

You seem to be saying taht he shouldn't have got 30 yrs until after he actually commited the crime. I'm glad he was busted before he could do it.

And whats the big deal about getting busted b4 he got explosives? Would you protest if he did get explosives but then hadn't actually used them? Where do you draw the line? Is it not arbritary to use the standard of waiting to bust them until they had actually obtained explosives?

Fern

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: yllus
What's up with this "saying certain things" posturing? That's not all he did, according to what other news stories and the DOJ say.

Siraj is the second individual convicted for participating in this plot. In Oct. 2004, James Elshafay pleaded guilty to conspiracy to damage or destroy a subway station by means of an explosive, and testified against Siraj at his trial. Elshafay's sentencing date has not yet been scheduled.

At trial, the government proved that Siraj and Elshafay plotted to plant explosive devices at the Herald Square subway station in order to disrupt commerce and transportation in New York City and damage the economy. The evidence included hours of secretly recorded conversations between Siraj and Osama Eldawoody, an Egyptian nuclear engineer who became a paid informant for the New York City Police Department's Intelligence Division, in which Siraj expressed his hatred for America and discussed his desire to place explosives on various bridges and in subway stations in New York City, including the subway station at 34th Street.

In furtherance of their scheme, on Aug. 21, 2004, Siraj and Elshafay inspected the station, and later drew diagrams of the location in order to help them place a bomb. When arrested on Aug. 27, 2004, neither Siraj nor Elshafay possessed any explosive material.

I'm not sure what the possibility of entrapment is here, that's for the more schooled in law here (along with Mr. Siraj's lawyers in the appeals to follow) to argue.

But I will say this: I've known people like Mr. Siraj personally. They bluster on about doing these things to strike back against Canada/the U.S./West in general, and for the most part it's dismissable as the angry ranting of the mildly disenfranchised. Guy doesn't have a lot of friends, isn't doing too well in school, parents are breathing down his back... He finds an outlet to vent anger and frustration at. Harmless. Usually.

The police up here in the region surrounding Toronto recently arrested 17 suspects, all exactly like Mr. Siraj in motive, all middle class immigrants or born right here in Canada. The court case is ongoing, but from what we know so far they planned to storm our Parliament and amongst other things, kill the Prime Minister. No doubt their friends (some of whom turned state's witness) thought the same thing - is this harmless talk, or a credible threat? Maybe the only way to find out is the string them along and see how far they'll go.

At some point it moves beyond bluster and silly games and becomes a credible conspiracy.

What Muslims have to realize is that they are under scrutiny by the West because of the pervasive fanaticism within their religion.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

How about this: we'll let you hug their corpses...?

I bet you can't wait until your enlistment is over so you can be all you can be as a soldier of fortune. The military is NOT about killing, destroying, annihilating etc. How did you pass the psych eval at enlistment time?

WTF are you talking about??? the 10 years i was in all we did was train to kill, destroy, annhilate, elimate, removing and wasting the enemy. what were you some sort of admin desk jockey who only saw a weapon during basic training?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

I wasn't aware that the military advocated the philosophy of executing all enemy prisoners (as you apparently do).

I said no such thing. I simply spelled out the primary mission of our military which some of you seem to forget on occasion - killing.

However, I also believe that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for violent fanatics. That label does not apply to "all prisoners of war." But, for those where the shoe fits, a bullet in the head or a rope around the neck are both legitimate punishments.

Primary mission: Defend the Constitution.
Secondary mission: Defend the homeland.

There's a reason it's called the Department of Defense and not the Department of Killing.

maybe 40+ years ago but not anymore. the mission of the military has changed.

 

[Gamingphreek]

What Muslims have to realize is that they are under scrutiny by the West because of the pervasive fanaticism within their religion.

Thats not unique to Islam. All religions have extremists, it just so happens that Islamic extremists are the ones taking the biggest actions right now.

-Kevin

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We need to get fiction writers like Tom Clancey and Steven King next. And all them writers of who done its for inciting murderous intent.

I read a book a month or so before 9/11 about a Chinese plot to invade NYC (nationalist don't fret it was fiction) and they blow up the twin towers, I say we execute the America hating bastich!

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta agree with RichardE, who really surprised me with his take on this.

30 years is a very long time in prison- more of a sop to the "tough on terrar" crowd than a reasonable punishment. Nor will any sentence imposed ever deter true fanatics, like the 9/11 attackers, who plan on sacrificing themselves anyway.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Christ in a handbasket. You people are never happy are you. You take the position that you feel like at the moment dont you?

QFT!

ps: They should put a bullet in Siraj's "confused and misguided youngster" head.

Thats disgusting. Its embarrassing that someone like you is in the military.

why? In the military we are not out to "rehabilitate" violent extremists. They need to be destroyed. period.

Does that concept bother you? killing, destroying, annihilating, eliminating, removing, wasting... this is what we do.

I wasn't aware that the military advocated the philosophy of executing all enemy prisoners (as you apparently do).

I said no such thing. I simply spelled out the primary mission of our military which some of you seem to forget on occasion - killing.

However, I also believe that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for violent fanatics. That label does not apply to "all prisoners of war." But, for those where the shoe fits, a bullet in the head or a rope around the neck are both legitimate punishments.

Primary mission: Defend the Constitution.
Secondary mission: Defend the homeland.

There's a reason it's called the Department of Defense and not the Department of Killing.

blah blah blah.. go hug a tree. I don't recall studying the constitution at boot camp, but I do recall learning several ways to kill and destroy. Later, in the mountains of Afghanistan. I do not recall any mention of the constitution when we faced the Taliban and HIG...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
...
blah blah blah.. go hug a tree. I don't recall studying the constitution at boot camp, but I do recall learning several ways to kill and destroy. Later, in the mountains of Afghanistan. I do not recall any mention of the constitution when we faced the Taliban and HIG...

Gee, that makes me feel a lot safer. I mean, the guys defending our country might not know what the hell they're defending, but damn it if they can't kill the living crap out of anyone at any time. :roll:

Lucky for the country, not everyone tasked with defending it feels the same contempt you do...

 

[BoberFett]

I hate to tell you this Rainsford, but most of our soldiers are not constitutional scholars. They do their job, and they do it well, but renaissance men they are not. Some perhaps, but not most. My time in a field artillery unit never had me studying philosophy. Mostly I blew sh1t up.

And it has nothing to do with contempt, but the fact that their job is not compassion and understanding. If it were, we could have sent an army of high school guidance counselors to Iraq instead of soldiers. The fact is the military is an organization designed to destroy things. You wouldn't task the Environmental Protection Agency with fighting a war, why would you expect the military to be compassionate to our enemies? When the problem is using our military in a way it shouldn't be used (as it is in Iraq) that's a completely separate topic and the fault of politicians, not the military.