30 Years of Conservative Nonsense

[Newell Steamer]

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2014/11/conservative-nonsense-political-history

Interesting article - here is a list of what they address;

• Tax cuts pay for themselves
• Deregulating the Thrift Industry Will Save It
• Iraq I: The Tilt
• Giving Iranian Moderates Weapons Will Help America
• Raising Taxes Will Cause a Recession
• Abolishing Some Bank Regulations Will Help the Economy
• The U.S.–led Bombing of Yugoslavia Would Be a Disaster
• Bin Laden Was a Front for Iraq
• Iraq 2: W.M.D.s and a Short, Inexpensive War
• Obamacare

These are just the highlights—the parade of failure goes on and on. What matters here, though, is not that conservatives have been reckless in the past. It is that ignoring expert opinion is a fatal flaw, one that has proven to do immense damage to this country—financial catastrophes, arming enemies, bloody wars, and the like.

This is not the consequence of ignorance. Many conservative leaders are brilliant. There is, however, a confidence that borders on arrogance that has repeatedly led to disaster. Add to that the constant refrain of “liberal bias,” which has proven to be a crutch conservatives use as a substitute for putting fingers in their ears and singing, “La-la-la.”

Basically, whenever someone says they’re wrong, conservatives too often fall back on claims that those who disagree with them are biased and thus worthy of being ignored, a convenient position that allows them to avoid debating uncomfortable criticisms.

,... wait,.. that last part is all too familiar,...

:hmm:

 

[rudder]

Hello Moonbeam.... are you posting as Newell Steamer today?
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Gulf of Tonkin, Libya destoyed, Egypt in shambles, ISIS, Iran is our enemy, Iran is our friend, Assad in the enemy, Assad is our friend, commodity Futures Modernization act of 2000, financial sector bailouts... because some companies are too big to fail (now we have fewer holding a larger chunk of assets), increased health insurance premiums, cash for clunkers, home buyer tax credits...etc.

I am all for criticizing government... but unless you look at the government as a whole you are pretty much just posting a troll thread.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Hello Moonbeam.... are you posting as Newell Steamer today?
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Gulf of Tonkin, Libya destoyed, Egypt in shambles, ISIS, Iran is our enemy, Iran is our friend, Assad in the enemy, Assad is our friend, commodity Futures Modernization act of 2000, financial sector bailouts... because some companies are too big to fail (now we have fewer holding a larger chunk of assets), increased health insurance premiums, cash for clunkers, home buyer tax credits...etc.

I am all for criticizing government... but unless you look at the government as a whole you are pretty much just posting a troll thread.

Aaaaand, there it is,...

Basically, whenever someone says they’re wrong, conservatives too often fall back on claims that those who disagree with them are biased and thus worthy of being ignored, a convenient position that allows them to avoid debating uncomfortable criticisms.

 

[michal1980]

Hello Moonbeam.... are you posting as Newell Steamer today?
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newell = moonbeam, with a side of personality disorder where he sometimes posts like a rabid conservative. Sometimes he makes the mistake of posting from the wrong account, and you get the vanity fair vomit.

 

[Zaap]

Tax cuts dont "pay for themselves" but giving every single person free money out of thin air (the ULTIMATE tax cut, ie a universal *negative* tax rate that's not even tied to any sort of labor or productivity) magically pays for itself!

100 years of clueless lefty "logic".

 

[rudder]

Aaaaand, there it is,...

Basically, whenever someone says they’re wrong, conservatives too often fall back on claims that those who disagree with them are biased and thus worthy of being ignored, a convenient position that allows them to avoid debating uncomfortable criticisms.

Which is why this a troll thread. I could post many a counterpoint and list problems during decades of failed liberal policies (i.e, war on poverty). I would also not feel the need to resort to name calling like a lot of posters here. I see the above quoted behavior more often coming from the liberal side.

I just find these threads funny because in two days you will find some thread and do the exact same thing... avoid debating uncomfortable criticisms and resort to name calling.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm avoiding debate of these uncomfortable criticisms as the OP is biased and worthy of being ignored. :biggrin:

 

[Newell Steamer]

Which is why this a troll thread. I could post many a counterpoint and list problems during decades of failed liberal policies (i.e, war on poverty). I would also not feel the need to resort to name calling like a lot of posters here. I see the above quoted behavior more often coming from the liberal side.

I just find these threads funny because in two days you will find some thread and do the exact same thing... avoid debating uncomfortable criticisms and resort to name calling.

Ah, because you hold such high respect and regards for Moonbeam,.. which is why you greeted me as such,...

:thumbsup:

One thing is for sure, the conservatives on these forums delivery and delivery in spades.

 

[thraashman]

Newell, you realize you're trying to use reason with people who are unreasonable right? It's been obvious for some time to anyone average intelligence or higher that conservative ideas fail nearly 100% of the time. But the reason they fail is the same reason they won't admit they've failed, conservatives don't live in reality.

 

[dmcowen674]

Newell, you realize you're trying to use reason with people who are unreasonable right? It's been obvious for some time to anyone average intelligence or higher that conservative ideas fail nearly 100% of the time.

But the reason they fail is the same reason they won't admit they've failed, conservatives don't live in reality.

You can't expect brainwashed people to be in reality.

Money buys the Koch brothers a lot of brainwashing.

 

[ElFenix]

Tax cuts dont "pay for themselves" but giving every single person free money out of thin air (the ULTIMATE tax cut, ie a universal *negative* tax rate that's not even tied to any sort of labor or productivity) magically pays for itself!

100 years of clueless lefty "logic".

those are quelling payments and they're worth it if you want to keep your stuff.

it's like you guys don't even read history books.

 

[Zaap]

those are quelling payments and they're worth it if you want to keep your stuff.

it's like you guys don't even read history books.

lol. Quelling what? The Great Imaginary Couch Potato Revolution to steal other people's stuff "because I deserve it, man!" thats part of the aforementioned 100 years of lefty fairy tale lunacy?

Its like the left doesn't know theyre still parroting dumb Marxist pipedream bullshit.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Vanity Fair....hhahahhahhaaaa

 

[Londo_Jowo]

2016 Talking points?

 

[ElFenix]

lol. Quelling what? The Great Imaginary Couch Potato Revolution to steal other people's stuff "because I deserve it, man!" thats part of the aforementioned 100 years of lefty fairy tale lunacy?

Its like the left doesn't know theyre still parroting dumb Marxist pipedream bullshit.

the fact that we're further removed from guillotines doesn't mean it can't happen.

 

[ivwshane]

Tax cuts dont "pay for themselves" but giving every single person free money out of thin air (the ULTIMATE tax cut, ie a universal *negative* tax rate that's not even tied to any sort of labor or productivity) magically pays for itself!

100 years of clueless lefty "logic".

What's clueless is your understanding of what's being proposed and why. Tax cuts and basic income guarantee is not the same thing and does not serve the same purpose.

 

[boomerang]

Which of you made this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHL0RdQJLUc

 

[Moonbeam]

There is a saying, "When oppression exists, even the bird dies in the nest." What does it mean?

What things mean depend upon the psychological development of the person doing the assessment. This can mean, regarding the above statement, a piece of wisdom handed down with the purpose of codifying and transmitting some aspect of psychological truth, nothing at all to a person not ripe for whatever knowledge was intended, or it may speak, formulate from out of the unconscious into symbolic linguistic form, a concept that both hemispheres of the brain can partake of.

We have the words 30 years of conservative nonsense and the fact that conservatives just won the election and rather handily.

How can two such facts coexist. When oppression exists, even the bird dies in the nest.

Huh?

That's the uncomfortable thing about wisdom. You can't give it to people who don't want it and you can't keep it from those who do. But when oppression exists, even the bird dies in the nest.

What is the point of talking to the dead?

Have you ever wondered where the notion of Zombies came from. Imagine a world in which only a few people are alive and the rest are the walking dead.

Did you know that one of the ancient symbols of knowledge is a heart with wings?

Do birds with broken wings make you cry?

 

[Matt1970]

Vanity Fair....hhahahhahhaaaa

He wants to be taken seriously yet quotes an op-ed piece from Vanity Fair.

 

[MagickMan]

He wants to be taken seriously yet quotes an op-ed piece from Vanity Fair.

Usually Moonie just makes shit up out of thin air, so at least there's something to support his delusions this time, no matter how absurdly biased and distorted it is.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Newell, you realize you're trying to use reason with people who are unreasonable right? It's been obvious for some time to anyone average intelligence or higher that conservative ideas fail nearly 100% of the time. But the reason they fail is the same reason they won't admit they've failed, conservatives don't live in reality.

I am well past holding conversations and using reason.

I've:
- provided multiple links (not here, but, in other posts to stories, etc.)
- detailed what the path is to my arguments and observations
- pointed out where the flaws are (I've even criticized liberals and Obama,..)

Yet, none of that means anything, because on that last point, it's been "used" against conservatives. I admit more on conservatives than liberals, but, the majority of the contradictions, double standards, lies, sensationalism and alarmist defective thinking comes from the conservative side of this country's political spectrum.

Instead, conservatives on these forums post a picture of a hipster douche chick and hur dur dur over how it represents ALL that is wrong with the Democratic / liberal side of this country.

No substance to that - but, it reigns supreme and 'truth' in their eyes. Not sure how that trumps the daily news stories on conservative faux pas,...

 

[Matt1970]

I am well past holding conversations and using reason.

I've:
- provided multiple links (not here, but, in other posts to stories, etc.)
- detailed what the path is to my arguments and observations
- pointed out where the flaws are (I've even criticized liberals and Obama,..)

Yet, none of that means anything, because on that last point, it's been "used" against conservatives. I admit more on conservatives than liberals, but, the majority of the contradictions, double standards, lies, sensationalism and alarmist defective thinking comes from the conservative side of this country's political spectrum.

Instead, conservatives on these forums post a picture of a hipster douche chick and hur dur dur over how it represents ALL that is wrong with the Democratic / liberal side of this country.

No substance to that - but, it reigns supreme and 'truth' in their eyes. Not sure how that trumps the daily news stories on conservative faux pas,...

Believe me, we know holding conversations and using reason is not your cup of tea.

 

[Greenman]

I am well past holding conversations and using reason.
(Superfluous filler removed)

The first sentence was all you needed, the rest was justification for the position you'd already taken.
You have the same problem a few other liberals here have, you're angry that everyone doesn't agree with your enlightened thinking, and incapable of grasping a point of view other than your own.

I'd imagine it's pretty frustrating, I know it would make me crazy.

 

[Newell Steamer]

The first sentence was all you needed, the rest was justification for the position you'd already taken.
You have the same problem a few other liberals here have, you're angry that everyone doesn't agree with your enlightened thinking, and incapable of grasping a point of view other than your own.

I'd imagine it's pretty frustrating, I know it would make me crazy.

Believe me, we know holding conversations and using reason is not your cup of tea.

,.. uncanny,..

Basically, whenever someone says they’re wrong, conservatives too often fall back on claims that those who disagree with them are biased and thus worthy of being ignored, a convenient position that allows them to avoid debating uncomfortable criticisms.

 

[Matt1970]

Uncanny huh? Which one of us is the one claiming they are "past holding conversations" yet claims conservatives "avoid debating uncomfortable criticisms"?

I won't name any names but his initials are Newell Steamer.