3 Muslims "executed" in the USA

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Sunburn74

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I have nothing but condemnation for this vile act. I'm sure no jury will spare him.
 

The Green Bean

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Also on the front page of CNN.
This is how CNN writes

Police haven't said what may have compelled the accused, Craig Stephen Hicks, to allegedly carry out the attack Tuesday evening. He turned himself into police later in the night.

Yet this allegedly will fool everyone. A man who confesses to murder is an alleged attacker. Muslims are terrorists.
 

Genx87

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This is how CNN writes



Yet this allegedly will fool everyone. A man who confesses to murder is an alleged attacker. Muslims are terrorists.

You understand in the United States even if a person admits to a crime they are referred to as an alleged criminal until convicted in a court of law?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yet this allegedly will fool everyone. A man who confesses to murder is an alleged attacker. Muslims are terrorists.

Slow up a bit. Terrorists are generally linked to a group, ISIS for example. This guy seems to not be. That said terrorism is driven by ideology, and if it turns out that this killer was motivated by his atheistic ideology, then IMO he's a terrorist. I need more information to reach a conclusion and at this time there's not enough. If it should be that he killed because he hates religion then we do have an atheist terrorist killing for his "non-religion" and I won't accept the "well it's not a religion so he can't be like religious terrorists". No, he's exactly the same in that case, but that has yet to be determined to my satisfaction.
 

The Green Bean

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You understand in the United States even if a person admits to a crime they are referred to as an alleged criminal until convicted in a court of law?
Is that why Muslims terrorists are sent to Guantánamo Bay and get no trial? Why didn't Osama bin laden get a trial? He could easily have been captured.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Is that why Muslims terrorists are sent to Guantánamo Bay and get no trial? Why didn't Osama bin laden get a trial? He could easily have been captured.

Bin Laden wasn't a US citizen nor was he in the US. The Boston Bomber is getting a trial.
 

Genx87

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Is that why Muslims terrorists are sent to Guantánamo Bay and get no trial? Why didn't Osama bin laden get a trial? He could easily have been captured.

You are getting onto a different subject all together. Gitmo hasnt had a new prisoner in a decade. The ones we could convict we put on trial. The others were let free if a country would take them. The remaining prisoners are in no mans land. As no country will take them and we cant put them on trial. Even if they were found not guilty they would be stuck in Gitmo until some country is willing to take them.

Bin Laden was indicted in 1998. But in this country we don't have trials in abstentia unless the person flees after the trial has started. Bin Laden was never present and thus until his capture no trial could take place. And no, he couldn't have been easily captured. That corrupt country you live within was shielding him.
 

rudeguy

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So justice is only for US citizens or those that are in the US. The rest of us a just silly pigs who can be killed at will.

The United States justice system is for United States citizens and people in the United States. Keep in mind the SEAL's primary goal was to capture Bin Laden but he didn't surrender, so he was dealt with. He made that decision on his own.


Listen man...a lot of people on here sympathize with how Muslims are stereotyped. A lot of us feel that Americans have a shitty image of how Muslims really are. You are not helping change that. You are making it worse by making this into a genocide situation and then attacking everyone who tries to explain it to you.

Relax, go grab a cup of tea and think about it.
 

Pulsar

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If you had read the independent article the motivation of the perpetrator is clearer than those killed by drones in my country.

The headline of the independent is

So if a Muslim man kills it is a terrorist attack because someone allegedly heard him say a few words at the scene of the crime. But if a know religion-hater kills a few people who are devout followers of a hated religion, there is not enough information to deduce the motive of the attack.

Dude - get over yourself. It's front page news at every media outlet. As others have already said - your post is a pathetic attempt to use a tragedy as some twisted kind of 'see how bad Americans are' story.
 

IndyColtsFan

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And yet the next time there is a flood or earthquake in Pakistan, I'm sure you'll be back here asking for money like you did last time. Good lord, you're a tool.
 

PokerGuy

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OP is an idiot. The fact that some crazy guy kills three innocent people is terrible, but then OP (and apparently many other similarly stupid idiots in other crappy countries) try to draw false equivalence to terrorist attacks.

If anything, there is too much coverage of this event, not too little. The unfortunate reality is that people get killed every day. This particular event looks like a murder by a crazy guy. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

Blanky

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Green Bean, your hatred led to premature erageulation.

This story is currently the top story at:

CNN
Foxnews
Msnbc
 

The Green Bean

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The United States justice system is for United States citizens and people in the United States. Keep in mind the SEAL's primary goal was to capture Bin Laden but he didn't surrender, so he was dealt with. He made that decision on his own.


Listen man...a lot of people on here sympathize with how Muslims are stereotyped. A lot of us feel that Americans have a shitty image of how Muslims really are. You are not helping change that. You are making it worse by making this into a genocide situation and then attacking everyone who tries to explain it to you.

Relax, go grab a cup of tea and think about it.

There should be an independent investigation into this. The USA government has lied too often in the past 2 decades. These lies have started wars and resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.

I don't hate Americans. I just feel that powerful lobbies and corporations within America have manipulated American public opinion that has negatively impacted my life. When I try to question the anti-American sentiment within my country, American hypocrisy is often cited as the reason to hate.

I certainly don't feel that the average American has reason to hate Muslims. Muslims have been negatively portrayed by Western media since 9/11. The subtleties are hard to detect, but there are obvious ones such as labeling of terrorists, terror attacks. Obviously Muslims themselves are at fault themselves; but the self-righteous attitude of the American right-wing makes it difficult to sympathize with any Western terror victims.

I am all in for drone strikes in my country even if it results in a few civilian casualties. But I find it hard to defend the American arrogance and hubris. Just look at the replies in this thread: most people blindly trust their government's overseas action despite having been lied to so many times! They look at us as "shithole" residents. I've also been referred to as a fool, idiot and a troll.

And that makes me wonder: they are killing alleged "terrorists" today. Tomorrow, they may come for me, and the day after for you! They already treat me like one. When the Americans are funding the same people who are indirectly killing Americans and less important people like myself, I find it impossible to believe that anything other than hubris and corporate gain is fueling these attacks which, I must agree, benefit me. For now at least.

It's a shame that American foreign (and anti-muslim? by media corporations) policy is the exact opposite of transparent and accountable.
 
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The Green Bean

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Green Bean, your hatred led to premature erageulation.

This story is currently the top story at:

CNN
Foxnews
Msnbc

Sorry, but when I started this thread it wasn't there. I haven't posted here in a while but when I couldn't believe how this story had been overlooked by CNN, Fox and the rest, I checked PnN. It made me go hmm.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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There should be an independent investigation into this. The USA government has lied too often in the past 2 decades. These lies have started wars and resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.

No shit. Obama and Congress have acted to shield the previous administration and no doubt the next will do the same for Obama. We as citizens can't get the government to move. Our representatives do what is in their self interest, including a practical lack of accountability. Individuals come and go but the most powerful entities behind them, the Republican and Democrat parties, are entirely unassailable.
 

The Green Bean

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I am not making a moral argument, it's a matter of law. There is no exemption for Muslims, legally.

That's not very comforting to the families of those that have been killed by American bombs. It's also highly unlikely to win Americans any sympathy. Terrorists also use their own interpretation of various laws to justify their attacks.
 

Newell Steamer

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I remember the OP now,..

Last time, he was crying over how the west "ruined" Pakistan because the US is involved, and shouldn't be involved, but they should be involved to "fix" things. It boiled down to how anything and everything wrong in Pakistan is because of the US,.. and the US needs to fix things.

And now, we are being accused of roaming around America murdering and killing Muslims and then covering things up. Or, not giving enough attention to it.

Hey, it's fucked up that these people died - but, there aren't death/murder squads killing Muslims in America that are being covered up.

There ARE death/murder squads killing Muslims in the Middle East though, and said squads are led by Muslims.

I think you should focus on the fact that the biggest enemy to Islam is Islamic Extremism - in the image that they project as well as the literal & physical damage they've done to their own people.

Certainly Islamaphobes are a problem,.. but, Islamaphobes aren't going around raping and killing entire villages,.. Islamic Extremists are.