3 Militia members arrested in plot to bomb mosque and apartments

[Jaskalas]

It's a news article and we're talking about colloquial usage - the group in question is a self-described militia. They don't need government affiliation, sanction, meet specific legal guidelines, etc to be calling themselves a militia. In fact, the legal definition is wholly irrelevant to this discussion and is just a diversionary tactic you're using to throw the thread off the rails.

Maybe... unless Texashiker doesn't want regular law abiding Militias slandered as in any sort of association with these terrorists.
And a diversion from what? Up front he immediately called them terrorists, no one is defending them. No one. Not much of a diversion if there's nothing else to discuss.

Remember the little sovereign citizen crap in Oregon? Militias almost entirely told the Bundies to piss off. Such simple breaking of the law was a step too far for them there, surely they condemn this attempted terrorism as well. It's not like they are one in the same group(s).

 

[Jhhnn]

As already posted in the thread,

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311


If you are between the ages of 17 and 45 you are in the unorganized militia.

Remember the flooding in baton rouge a few months ago and all those people came to help. They were acting as a militia. Those volunteers were helping restore order.

What is so difficult to understand?

So this nationwide agglomeration of nut bars isn't a real militia? Of course not. But that doesn't mean they don't think so or don't represent themselves to be. They have, in truth, changed to common usage of the term "militia" itself-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_organizations_in_the_United_States#History

While militia organizations have a variety of ideologies and objectives including anti-tax, anti-immigration, survivalist, sovereign citizen, libertarian, land rights and southern restoration tendencies, they generally share a common belief in the imminent or actual rise of a tyrannical government in the United States that, they believe, must be confronted through armed force.

Which is bullshit, of course, and illegitimate on its face. The federal govt is not tyrannical regardless of the fevered delusions of self styled militia members. The fact that Congress & the Executive branch couldn't force state participation in the Medicaid expansion is proof of that.

 

[IronWing]

Remember the little sovereign citizen crap in Oregon? Militias almost entirely told the Bundies to piss off. Such simple breaking of the law was a step too far for them there, surely they condemn this attempted terrorism as well. It's not like they are one in the same group(s).

Law breaking didn't hold back the militias even a little bit in Cliven Bundy's Nevada adventure. Them militias types were right out there waving flags and training guns on law officers executing lawful court orders. Law breaking didn't stop the Oath Keepers from providing armed back up for squatters at the Sugar Pine Mine in Oregon. If supporting law and order is the goal of the militias groups, they really suck at it.

 

[Texashiker]

So this nationwide agglomeration of nut bars isn't a real militia? .

That is correct.

Those nutjobs are not members of a "real" militia.

Historically, how have militias been used and what services did they preform? A lot of these modern "militias" do not meet the definition of what militia truly is.

Volunteers who fought at the alamo.
Whiskey rebellion.
Andrew jackson and florida.
Andrew Jackson and new orleans.
Battle of san jacinto.
The rough riders - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Riders

Civilian volunteers who fought to maintain and restore order. That is what militias do.

 

[fskimospy]

So next time an act of Islamic terrorism happens I'm sure the usual suspects will do the whole 'of course it was a Muslim' thing while forgetting this ever happened.

Islamic terrorism is absolutely a threat, but so is right wing extremist terrorism.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That is correct.

Those nutjobs are not members of a "real" militia.

Historically, how have militias been used and what services did they preform? A lot of these modern "militias" do not meet the definition of what militia truly is.

Volunteers who fought at the alamo. - February 23 – March 6, 1836
Whiskey rebellion. - 1791–1794
Andrew jackson and florida. March 4, 1829 – March 4, 1837
Andrew Jackson and new orleans. - January 8–18, 1815
Battle of san jacinto. - April 21, 1836
The rough riders - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Riders - 1898
Civilian volunteers who fought to maintain and restore order. That is what militias do.

You may want to find more recent and relevant facts to back up your usual nonsense. At least use something in the 20th century
And as to not confuse you, I added the dates and the bold.

 

[Jhhnn]

You may want to find more recent and relevant facts to back up your usual nonsense. At least use something in the 20th century

He completely ignored the fact that modern usage determines the meaning of any word in current society. None of the "militias" of modern America fit his description yet the members define themselves as such & so does everybody but him. They're all organized around bogus claims of tyranny.

 

[jackstar7]

Perhaps just stop treating every instance of Christian terrorism as proof that Christian and Islamic terrorism are equally large problems, because they're not.


Whichever indicates some accordance with reality.

Just to be clear, you have no answer to the problem at hand, just the problem of your victimhood.

Makes sense.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I think dumbass TexasHiker needs to contact all of the media and these existing militia groups to educate them that they shouldn't be calling themselves militias.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2022636,00.html

 

[Texashiker]

I think dumbass TexasHiker needs to contact all of the media and these existing militia groups to educate them that they shouldn't be calling themselves militias.

Liberal media are pushing an agenda. They do not care about historical facts.

 

[IronWing]

Liberal media are pushing an agenda. They do not care about historical facts.

What tyranny was confronted at the Alamo? Those guys were trying to steal a country.

 

[brycejones]

Liberal media are pushing an agenda. They do not care about historical facts.

The so-called "liberal" media is using the term these groups use to describe themselves.

You have yet to condemn the "radical domestic militia terrorist" so we must assume you actually support them. If you're not using the correct then you can't possibly actually be against them. Remember the correct term is "radical domestic militia terrorist".

 

[zinfamous]

They do not care about historical facts.

This, from a guy that thinks Jackson at the battle of New Orleans won the war of 1812

 

[brycejones]

This, from a guy that thinks Jackson at the battle of New Orleans won the war of 1812

lol

 

[rudder]

John Podesta probably got a chubby when he read that some white guys were arrested for a bomb plot against Muslims. He was sure disappointed when the San Bernadino shooters turned out to be Muslim. I mean who cares about the people killed... he would have much rather seen a guy named Sayeed Farouk reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter. Sick liberal turd cares more about poitical points that lives lost.

And these militia people getting arrested... yeh its bad and who would argue that? All I know is Hillary and her fellow libtards will know lump every gun owning Trump voter as buds of those yahoos trying to bomb Somalians.

 

[IronWing]

John Podesta probably got a chubby when he read that some white guys were arrested for a bomb plot against Muslims. He was sure disappointed when the San Bernadino shooters turned out to be Muslim. I mean who cares about the people killed... he would have much rather seen a guy named Sayeed Farouk reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter. Sick liberal turd cares more about poitical points that lives lost.

And these militia people getting arrested... yeh its bad and who would argue that? All I know is Hillary and her fellow libtards will know lump every gun owning Trump voter as buds of those yahoos trying to bomb Somalians.

That was quite the stream of not quite consciousness, that was.

 

[disappoint]

When do we open the immigration doors to militia members? That seems to be the democrat answer to terrorism.

Those are not militia members, those are terrorist.

There oughta be a wall.

 

[LevelSea]

So next time an act of Islamic terrorism happens I'm sure the usual suspects will do the whole 'of course it was a Muslim' thing while forgetting this ever happened.

Islamic terrorism is absolutely a threat, but so is right wing extremist terrorism.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-northcarolina-vandalism-idUSKBN12G0W9

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-northcarolina-vandalism-idUSKBN12G0W9

Great. What's your point?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-northcarolina-vandalism-idUSKBN12G0W9

Hello,
Welcome to this thread about a MILITIA group plotting a terror attack. Try to keep up.

 

[Jhhnn]

John Podesta probably got a chubby when he read that some white guys were arrested for a bomb plot against Muslims. He was sure disappointed when the San Bernadino shooters turned out to be Muslim. I mean who cares about the people killed... he would have much rather seen a guy named Sayeed Farouk reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter. Sick liberal turd cares more about poitical points that lives lost.

And these militia people getting arrested... yeh its bad and who would argue that? All I know is Hillary and her fellow libtards will know lump every gun owning Trump voter as buds of those yahoos trying to bomb Somalians.

Please. Repubs have fed into the narrative of Big Gubmint Tyranny! for a very long while & the need for (White) citizens to arm themselves against "the other"- the blacks, the browns, the criminal hordes poised to strike from the inner cities, from across the southern border & from Terrarists! that might get in. It's so nuts that Marco Rubio bought a gun to protect his family from Terrarists! on Christmas Eve, fer Chrissakes. It's not like they've called on whackjobs like Wayne LaPierre to tone it down, either. Far from it. Some even defend the Bundy militia.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Liberal media are pushing an agenda. They do not care about historical facts.

You're a serious dumbass aren't you? These groups are calling themselves militia dumbass. You obviously received a very poor education, no wonder you can't find a job or get health insurance.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Liberal media are pushing an agenda. They do not care about historical facts.

Since you don't either, why do you care?

 

[rudder]

Please. Repubs have fed into the narrative of Big Gubmint Tyranny! for a very long while & the need for (White) citizens to arm themselves against "the other"- the blacks, the browns, the criminal hordes poised to strike from the inner cities, from across the southern border & from Terrarists! that might get in. It's so nuts that Marco Rubio bought a gun to protect his family from Terrarists! on Christmas Eve, fer Chrissakes. It's not like they've called on whackjobs like Wayne LaPierre to tone it down, either. Far from it. Some even defend the Bundy militia.

So is all that babble just blowing out of your ass or do you have some professional journal sources to back this crap up? I mean I tried to stay up on the news and other political happenings from a variety of sources but have never heard of the Republican Party telling people to arm themselves against minorities.

 

[Atreus21]

So next time an act of Islamic terrorism happens I'm sure the usual suspects will do the whole 'of course it was a Muslim' thing while forgetting this ever happened.

Islamic terrorism is absolutely a threat, but so is right wing extremist terrorism.

They're not even on the same scale. The reflexive attempt to equate them is disingenuous.