3. Can we kill this subject once and for all? (Poll enclosed)

[BooneRebel]

Bush is the root of all evil? Bush is just doing his job?

 

[GasX]

Golly Gee, where do your sentiments lie...

 

[BooneRebel]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
Golly Gee, where do your sentiments lie...

You think you can tell just by reading the poll above? I've tried to keep it as impartial as possible. But if you think you know, take a guess...

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: BooneRebelYou think you can tell just by reading the poll above? I've tried to keep it as impartial as possible. But if you think you know, take a guess...

Option 1. Bush is screwing things up
Option 2. Bush is doing what is expected of him - no more no less
Option 3. Bush is screwing things up so badly we need to return to Clinton.
Option 4. Didn't vote...

Hmmmm.... how about Bush is doing a great job as president and I am glad I voted for him? Don't you think that is a fair option to present? Good job keeping it impartial.

So, once again...

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: BooneRebelYou think you can tell just by reading the poll above? I've tried to keep it as impartial as possible. But if you think you know, take a guess...

Option 1. Bush is screwing things up
Option 2. Bush is doing what is expected of him - no more no less
Option 3. Bush is screwing things up so badly we need to return to Clinton.
Option 4. Didn't vote...

Hmmmm.... how about Bush is doing a great job as president and I am glad I voted for him? Don't you think that is a fair option to present? Good job keeping it impartial.

So, once again...

I agree. This is just like the "typical" media bias that we so often see in front of us masqerading as journalism. We don't have to "guess" what your position is; it's obvious.
EDIT: I see you did ad the line suggested, albeit at the end/bottom of your "poll" (and I use that term lightly).

 

[IGBT]

Bush has evil roots?

 

[GT1999]

I think it's funny how he left the ? at the end of the last option.

You forgot your other option you really wanted to post, something like "I think Bush is the devil!". Heh.

 

[fluxquantum]

i try not to get involved in politics since it is such a sensitive topic much like religion. one thing i hope bush does is turn the economy around. i know there is only so much a president can do but it would be nice if he would at least address the issue. that's my opinion and i am sticking to it.

 

[BooneRebel]

I agree. This is just like the "typical" media bias that we so often see in front of us masqerading as journalism. We don't have to "guess" what your position is; it's obvious.
EDIT: I see you did ad the line suggested, albeit at the end/bottom of your "poll" (and I use that term lightly).

You're assuming bias when there isn't any present. Mwilding's request is at the bottom because it was the last one added. And if you think you know my position just because of the choices and order I listed them then you are a doofus as well.

 

[Buz2b]

You're assuming bias when there isn't any present

No I'm not. It's plainly posted for all to see. As for being a "doofus as well", I'm probably old enough to be your daddy. So I find it funny as heck when a pimple-farming, nothing to do with his time--waste case calls me that. Enjoy your funny little attempt here. I'm sure you'll grow up to be a fine liberal some day.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: BooneRebel

I agree. This is just like the "typical" media bias that we so often see in front of us masqerading as journalism. We don't have to "guess" what your position is; it's obvious.
EDIT: I see you did ad the line suggested, albeit at the end/bottom of your "poll" (and I use that term lightly).

You're assuming bias when there isn't any present. Mwilding's request is at the bottom because it was the last one added. And if you think you know my position just because of the choices and order I listed them then you are a doofus as well.

Buz2b is right on this one.
Are you also one of the morons who thinks Bush is the reason for our economy being down?
if you really think your poll doesn't show where your sentiments lie, then you really aren't the brightest light bulb, are you?

 

[iamwiz82]

the poll is biased based on how you worded your post.

Bush is the root of all evil? Bush is just doing his job?

You made the evil selection first. A truely impartial poll(which you are incapable of) would not have any unneccessary crap which you love to throw in.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: fluxquantum
i try not to get involved in politics since it is such a sensitive topic much like religion. one thing i hope bush does is turn the economy around. i know there is only so much a president can do but it would be nice if he would at least address the issue. that's my opinion and i am sticking to it.

The democrats have done a great job on convincing people that the president is supposed to do anything about the economy.

The way I see it, the people that should be worried about the economy are the Representatives, Senators, both for federal and state governments, and Alan Greenspan. The president's main priority is Commander in Chief. The president was never supposed to have to have the power to dictate economic policy. That's what the Houses are for, and why they're all voted for in the first place. President just have override power, to veto something. Just as the Justice system was just supposed to interpret existing law, not create it. I think our Checks and Balances are getting way too imbalanced.

 

[BooneRebel]

OK, let me spell it out very plainly: I voted for Bush and I support him. However, there seems to be a strong anti-Bush sentiment as indicated by the frequent "Bush screwed up again" posts in OT, which prompted me to put up the poll. To say that I'm anti-Bush because I listed a negative choice first in the poll is ludicrous. If I put "Bush is doing a great job" first, then the antis would then be crying because of my obvious pro-Bush bias. Frankly, I'm amazed how many of you have made complete asses out of yourselves by the posts above. You don't know me, how old I am, how I voted, what I drive, or how many guns I have in the safe but you're quick to jump to conclusions strictly based on the choices I listed in these polls, which I've already pointed out have been taken from previous threads that I've witnessed, they're not tattooes that I wear.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Dont you know BoonR that if you question, you must be liberal? Or so it would seem. As for me, I voted for Bush, think he did well with Bin Laden, and is screwing up royally with Iraq.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: BooneRebel
OK, let me spell it out very plainly: I voted for Bush and I support him. However, there seems to be a strong anti-Bush sentiment as indicated by the frequent "Bush screwed up again" posts in OT, which prompted me to put up the poll. To say that I'm anti-Bush because I listed a negative choice first in the poll is ludicrous. If I put "Bush is doing a great job" first, then the antis would then be crying because of my obvious pro-Bush bias. Frankly, I'm amazed how many of you have made complete asses out of yourselves by the posts above. You don't know me, how old I am, how I voted, what I drive, or how many guns I have in the safe but you're quick to jump to conclusions strictly based on the choices I listed in these polls, which I've already pointed out have been taken from previous threads that I've witnessed, they're not tattooes that I wear.

People will judge by what you say and do, not by what you think. Since the nature of a forum it to interpret someone based on their text, we can only judge someone accordingly by that text. If there is a strong indication you're this or you're that, that's how we relate. Naturally our minds have to construct a personification from the abstract sentence structure, in order to effectively communicate.

The reponses you are getting are in reaction to the parallel method of poll abuse used by liberal democrats. Don't take it personally. You are exactly right, people don't know you. But they know you're text. Nobody is going to ask 20 questions to find out what your favorite color is or if you're a morning person or night person. If you feel the responses are not in tune to what you really meant, then next time adjust your posts accordingly so people do understand where you're coming from.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Dont you know BoonR that if you question, you must be liberal? Or so it would seem. As for me, I voted for Bush, think he did well with Bin Laden, and is screwing up royally with Iraq.

I'm beginning to "feel" that messing with Iraq is a bad idea too, but I "think" that there has to be a very logical reason why Bush is pushing for this, and it's something he just can't reveal because of national security. Even if he revealed it to congress, they would have to keep it secret, so nothing would stop them from continuing to play politics about it.

 

[Red Dawn]

If the economy doesn't rebound by 2004 Bush will go down faster than a $5 hooker(And the Republicans will whine like a $5 Hooker with sand in her vaseline). While it might not be his fault people don't want excuses, just results.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider Dont you know BoonR that if you question, you must be liberal? Or so it would seem. As for me, I voted for Bush, think he did well with Bin Laden, and is screwing up royally with Iraq.

I'm beginning to "feel" that messing with Iraq is a bad idea too, but I "think" that there has to be a very logical reason why Bush is pushing for this, and it's something he just can't reveal because of national security. Even if he revealed it to congress, they would have to keep it secret, so nothing would stop them from continuing to play politics about it.

While politicians are guilty of many things, people like Byrd are not so foolish to believe they can filibuster against military action, while knowing what they are doing conflicts with what they know. Evidence of this magnitude always comes out. Imagine trying to explain that you knew the US was in real imminent danger, but you ignored it AND put your career on the line for no reason. Remember, those against this know they will lose, and they are fighting nevertheless. I think the evidence of Congress actions supports the fact that there is insufficient grounds for an attack. In this case, I think what you hear reflects reality.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: BooneRebel
OK, let me spell it out very plainly: I voted for Bush and I support him. However, there seems to be a strong anti-Bush sentiment as indicated by the frequent "Bush screwed up again" posts in OT, which prompted me to put up the poll. To say that I'm anti-Bush because I listed a negative choice first in the poll is ludicrous. If I put "Bush is doing a great job" first, then the antis would then be crying because of my obvious pro-Bush bias. Frankly, I'm amazed how many of you have made complete asses out of yourselves by the posts above. You don't know me, how old I am, how I voted, what I drive, or how many guns I have in the safe but you're quick to jump to conclusions strictly based on the choices I listed in these polls, which I've already pointed out have been taken from previous threads that I've witnessed, they're not tattooes that I wear.

It's much easier for people to condemn Bush (or most presidents for that matter). It makes them look like they are against the establishment. We all know how cool that is.

Too bad most of their arguments are baseless.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider Dont you know BoonR that if you question, you must be liberal? Or so it would seem. As for me, I voted for Bush, think he did well with Bin Laden, and is screwing up royally with Iraq.

I'm beginning to "feel" that messing with Iraq is a bad idea too, but I "think" that there has to be a very logical reason why Bush is pushing for this, and it's something he just can't reveal because of national security. Even if he revealed it to congress, they would have to keep it secret, so nothing would stop them from continuing to play politics about it.

While politicians are guilty of many things, people like Byrd are not so foolish to believe they can filibuster against military action, while knowing what they are doing conflicts with what they know. Evidence of this magnitude always comes out. Imagine trying to explain that you knew the US was in real imminent danger, but you ignored it AND put your career on the line for no reason. Remember, those against this know they will lose, and they are fighting nevertheless. I think the evidence of Congress actions supports the fact that there is insufficient grounds for an attack. In this case, I think what you hear reflects reality.

Clinton gave the Chinese supercomputer technology, as well as nuclear know-how that set them 20 (or 30?) years ahead of schedule to produce nuclear missiles. Given the faithful support of the democrats, I can't comprehend what logic they are using in their heads - I can imagine that even with the knowledge they have about Iraq, they have it in their minds we shouldn't go to war. Liberals strike me as a very utopian yet cowardly group.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider Dont you know BoonR that if you question, you must be liberal? Or so it would seem. As for me, I voted for Bush, think he did well with Bin Laden, and is screwing up royally with Iraq.

I'm beginning to "feel" that messing with Iraq is a bad idea too, but I "think" that there has to be a very logical reason why Bush is pushing for this, and it's something he just can't reveal because of national security. Even if he revealed it to congress, they would have to keep it secret, so nothing would stop them from continuing to play politics about it.

While politicians are guilty of many things, people like Byrd are not so foolish to believe they can filibuster against military action, while knowing what they are doing conflicts with what they know. Evidence of this magnitude always comes out. Imagine trying to explain that you knew the US was in real imminent danger, but you ignored it AND put your career on the line for no reason. Remember, those against this know they will lose, and they are fighting nevertheless. I think the evidence of Congress actions supports the fact that there is insufficient grounds for an attack. In this case, I think what you hear reflects reality.

Clinton gave the Chinese supercomputer technology, as well as nuclear know-how that set them 20 (or 30?) years ahead of schedule to produce nuclear missiles. Given the faithful support of the democrats, I can't comprehend what logic they are using in their heads - I can imagine that even with the knowledge they have about Iraq, they have it in their minds we shouldn't go to war. Liberals strike me as a very utopian yet cowardly group.

That is true, but remeber the Republicans did not do anything about it once Bush was in power, and have gone further to promote trade, because trade = money. No, I do not believe the Democrats are saints. Still, it is the circumstances we find ourselves in that make me doubt any great conspiracy of silence.


Edit- while I share your sentiments about providing technology with China, I won't label Liberals as cowards. Remember, opposition is looked down upon by many. It is not easy to say what you believe when people may call you a traitor. While I do now agree with everything liberals say, neither do I follow a completely conservative line. I have often used Samuels Johnsons saying- Patriotism is the last refuge of a coward- What that means is that many many terrible things have been done in the name of king and country. Hiding behind "my country right or wrong" is moral cowardice. Nazi Germany took that route, and look what happened.

 

[Lucky]

whats up with you and sh*tty polls?

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider Dont you know BoonR that if you question, you must be liberal? Or so it would seem. As for me, I voted for Bush, think he did well with Bin Laden, and is screwing up royally with Iraq.

I'm beginning to "feel" that messing with Iraq is a bad idea too, but I "think" that there has to be a very logical reason why Bush is pushing for this, and it's something he just can't reveal because of national security. Even if he revealed it to congress, they would have to keep it secret, so nothing would stop them from continuing to play politics about it.

While politicians are guilty of many things, people like Byrd are not so foolish to believe they can filibuster against military action, while knowing what they are doing conflicts with what they know. Evidence of this magnitude always comes out. Imagine trying to explain that you knew the US was in real imminent danger, but you ignored it AND put your career on the line for no reason. Remember, those against this know they will lose, and they are fighting nevertheless. I think the evidence of Congress actions supports the fact that there is insufficient grounds for an attack. In this case, I think what you hear reflects reality.

Clinton gave the Chinese supercomputer technology, as well as nuclear know-how that set them 20 (or 30?) years ahead of schedule to produce nuclear missiles. Given the faithful support of the democrats, I can't comprehend what logic they are using in their heads - I can imagine that even with the knowledge they have about Iraq, they have it in their minds we shouldn't go to war. Liberals strike me as a very utopian yet cowardly group.

That is true, but remeber the Republicans did not do anything about it once Bush was in power, and have gone further to promote trade, because trade = money. No, I do not believe the Democrats are saints. Still, it is the circumstances we find ourselves in that make me doubt any great conspiracy of silence.

I'm beginning to think attacking Iraq *now* is a bad idea. It's out of step. Personally, I think we should continue to work on Afghanistan, and build up their economy and rebuild a city or two. It would be cool if we built for them their own twin towers, brought them out of the stone age by setting up an internet infrastructure (probably satellite based) in the city that had the new twin towers, and setup permanent military prescence complete with a new UN embassy stationed there.

The trick is to commercialize the core of Afghanistan, make the people proud of their country, and become Allies with the US to support anti-terrorist efforts. Would take 2 generations to complete. (1st generation is lost cause, they've already been brainwashed)

As far as the republicans doing anything after the fact... what exactly are you supposed to do when you've given a nation blueprints and technology? Force them to give it back?

I still say Bush HAS to know something nobody else does, to be pushing so hard for this attack, despite media coverage of "lack of evidence". Although this is being called a Preemptive strike, I think it's a reactionary strike - to events and circumstances we're not aware of.

 

[Orsorum]

Why are you all so eager to "kill the subject once and for all"? Bush makes new decisions every day, makes adjustments every day - God forbid, new events happen every day. You can't typify or write off someone's performance without taking into account recent events and new developments.

A poll like this just goes to show some peoples' impatience and immaturity.