3 Bombs Rock Basra Police Stations, More Violence in Fallujah

[Painman]

Blasts apparently caused by car bombs have shattered three police stations in Iraq's second city of Basra, killing or injuring scores of people.
Reuters news agency quoted police and witnesses as saying a car carrying children to kindergarten had been caught in one of the blasts.
Gunmen also reportedly launched a fierce attack on US marines surrounding the central Sunni city of Falluja.
About 35 militants attacked with guns and grenades, AP news agency reports.
The gunmen struck in the north of the city, mounting a "massive" barrage of rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire, the agency said.
Explosions could be heard throughout Falluja as marines were put on high alert, it added.
'Vehicle-based'
AFP news agency quoted hospital sources as saying 30 people were killed in the Basra attacks.
Iraqi police told Reuters that mortar bombs had hit two police stations in the central Ashar district while a third station was targeted in the Old City.
However, a UK military official in the city suggested the three explosions, which all came at about 0715 (0315 GMT) had been caused by car bombs.
"They were vehicle-based improvised explosive devices," Squadron Leader John Arnold told Reuters.

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[tnitsuj]

If they were car bombs, then it is probably foriegn terrorists who have been strangely quiet in the last month or so.

 

[Infohawk]

This will not stop until the United States leaves Iraq. Would Americans accept a foreign occupation, even if it claimed to be benign. Of course not, neither will they. Also, this is not just foreign terrorists. These are Iraqi freedom fighters. The sooner we leave and let the UN take over, the more lives we'll save.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This will not stop until the United States leaves Iraq. Would Americans accept a foreign occupation, even if it claimed to be benign. Of course not, neither will they. Also, this is not just foreign terrorists. These are Iraqi freedom fighters. The sooner we leave and let the UN take over, the more lives we'll save.

If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans. Attacks against Iraqi Police are not the work of Freedom Fighters. Iraqi Religious Clerics condemn actions against Iraqi Police who are providing the job of protecting Iraqis from crime.

At one station in the Saudia district of Basra, four vehicles were seen destroyed including two school buses. At least one of the school buses appeared to have been full of passengers, an Associated Press reporter at the scene said.

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Freedom Fighters? I don't think so.

 

[Antisocial Virge]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This will not stop until the United States leaves Iraq. Would Americans accept a foreign occupation, even if it claimed to be benign. Of course not, neither will they. Also, this is not just foreign terrorists. These are Iraqi freedom fighters. The sooner we leave and let the UN take over, the more lives we'll save.

If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans. Attacks against Iraqi Police are not the work of Freedom Fighters. Iraqi Religious Clerics condemn actions against Iraqi Police who are providing the job of protecting Iraqis from crime.

At one station in the Saudia district of Basra, four vehicles were seen destroyed including two school buses. At least one of the school buses appeared to have been full of passengers, an Associated Press reporter at the scene said.

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Freedom Fighters? I don't think so.

Yes, didn't you get the memo. Its Insurgents not freedom fighters and don't forget its regiem change..not over throwing a country. My spelling sucks.

 

[rickn]

If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans.

if they were collaborating with the enemy we would

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge

Yes, didn't you get the memo. Its Insurgents not freedom fighters and don't forget its regiem change..not over throwing a country. My spelling sucks.

Oh you didn't? Sorry, Hot Deal is over, send me $3.95 and I'll ship my memo out again

 

[Infohawk]

maddogchen,

"If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans. Attacks against Iraqi Police are not the work of Freedom Fighters. Iraqi Religious Clerics condemn actions against Iraqi Police who are providing the job of protecting Iraqis from crime."
Rickn was exactly right. We would attack collaborators as all other resistance movements have.

"Freedom Fighters? I don't think so."
Saying they are not freedom fighters does not make it so. I am saying they are freedom fighters because they are fighting for their country to be liberated from foreign control. What part of this do you disagree with?

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: rickn

If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans.

if they were collaborating with the enemy we would

Indeed, we would.
I, for one, would hope I would have the guts to defend my homeland against an army as strong as the world's lone superpower. How the hell can I fault an Iraqi resisting occupying forces? I would hope I would do the same in his place.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: rickn

If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans.

if they were collaborating with the enemy we would

You bet we would just watch red dawn the movie/

In fact the brits had trained special ops cells of four men per ~1500 pop to do just that if zee germans came. They were trained in pure torrorist tactics from blowing up police stations (obviously used by collaborators to organize and kill resistors) to sniping. They were given a miriad of explosives, weapons and even a cyanide pill and/or inhalor if they were caught. I forgot thier name but it was a state secret until the 80's for the obvious parallels. We are all the same.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
maddogchen,



"If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans. Attacks against Iraqi Police are not the work of Freedom Fighters. Iraqi Religious Clerics condemn actions against Iraqi Police who are providing the job of protecting Iraqis from crime."

Rickn was exactly right. We would attack collaborators as all other resistance movements have.



"Freedom Fighters? I don't think so."

Saying they are not freedom fighters does not make it so. I am saying they are freedom fighters because they are fighting for their country to be liberated from foreign control. What part of this do you disagree with?

They are not fighting for their country. They are fighting for power for themselves.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Infohawk
maddogchen,



"If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans. Attacks against Iraqi Police are not the work of Freedom Fighters. Iraqi Religious Clerics condemn actions against Iraqi Police who are providing the job of protecting Iraqis from crime."

Rickn was exactly right. We would attack collaborators as all other resistance movements have.



"Freedom Fighters? I don't think so."

Saying they are not freedom fighters does not make it so. I am saying they are freedom fighters because they are fighting for their country to be liberated from foreign control. What part of this do you disagree with?

They are not fighting for their country. They are fighting for power for themselves.

Well at least that's what we are being told.I wonder how long things are going to stay like this before it gets better?

edit: I wouldn't doubt that this was the work of Al Qaeda trying to create a bigger rigt between the Shiites and the Sunni's. According to the latest reports 20 of the Iraqi dead were school children.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Infohawk
maddogchen,



"If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans. Attacks against Iraqi Police are not the work of Freedom Fighters. Iraqi Religious Clerics condemn actions against Iraqi Police who are providing the job of protecting Iraqis from crime."

Rickn was exactly right. We would attack collaborators as all other resistance movements have.



"Freedom Fighters? I don't think so."

Saying they are not freedom fighters does not make it so. I am saying they are freedom fighters because they are fighting for their country to be liberated from foreign control. What part of this do you disagree with?

They are not fighting for their country. They are fighting for power for themselves.

Bull. That is Bush apologist propoganda.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Infohawk
maddogchen,



"If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans. Attacks against Iraqi Police are not the work of Freedom Fighters. Iraqi Religious Clerics condemn actions against Iraqi Police who are providing the job of protecting Iraqis from crime."

Rickn was exactly right. We would attack collaborators as all other resistance movements have.



"Freedom Fighters? I don't think so."

Saying they are not freedom fighters does not make it so. I am saying they are freedom fighters because they are fighting for their country to be liberated from foreign control. What part of this do you disagree with?

They are not fighting for their country. They are fighting for power for themselves.

Bull. That is Bush apologist propoganda.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

Ok, who set off those bombs? You seem to know enough about them to call it "Bush apologist progaganda". WHO SET THEM OFF? Which group? The Sunni ex-Baathists? The foreign terrorists that just want to kill Americans? The Shite militias? The Iranians? Who?

The coalition forces cannot leave until the country is stable and has a government set up to protect all of the Iraqis. The terrorists are working to keep the country destabalized.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: rickn

If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans.

if they were collaborating with the enemy we would

You bet we would just watch red dawn the movie/

In fact the brits had trained special ops cells of four men per ~1500 pop to do just that if zee germans came. They were trained in pure torrorist tactics from blowing up police stations (obviously used by collaborators to organize and kill resistors) to sniping. They were given a miriad of explosives, weapons and even a cyanide pill and/or inhalor if they were caught. I forgot thier name but it was a state secret until the 80's for the obvious parallels. We are all the same.

agreed. We colonists killed other colonists that Were collaborating with the Brits. Look at France during WW2. The French resistance excelled in aggrivating the germans and they killed plenty of countrymen in the process, all for the pursuit of their ultimate goal. The Frech "Exceled" in "terrorist" and intelligence tactics against the Nazis and their French sympathizers. Even Worse is what countrys that drive out a ocuping force do to their domestic sympathizers after the fact in many instances.

 

[Nitemare]

"Crowds threw stones at the coalition forces as they were trying to reach the sites of the blasts, a British military source told CNN."

Forget me if I am mistaken here, but aren't we the ones not blowing up van loads of children?

It's tragic and all, but I'm begininning to think that Americans are the only ones that actually care when Iraqi civilians and children get blown up. Rather than take their hostilities out on coalition forces, wouldn't it be simpler to turn in your neighbor so that he doesn't kill your children next?

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
maddogchen,



"If America was under occupation, don't think we would bomb other Americans. Attacks against Iraqi Police are not the work of Freedom Fighters. Iraqi Religious Clerics condemn actions against Iraqi Police who are providing the job of protecting Iraqis from crime."

Rickn was exactly right. We would attack collaborators as all other resistance movements have.



"Freedom Fighters? I don't think so."

Saying they are not freedom fighters does not make it so. I am saying they are freedom fighters because they are fighting for their country to be liberated from foreign control. What part of this do you disagree with?

I disagree if they only attack only Iraqi police and only kill other Iraqis like the people in this recent attack. They attacked the Iraqi police because they were easier targets. They didn't go after the occupiers, they went after the easiest target, Iraqis. They're cowards to me. If America was occupied, and instead of going after the occupiers because they had too much protection, you went after less heavily guarded Americans serving as police, and the whole occupation all you did was kill American police and poor American bystanders caught in the explosions, are you really considered an American Freedom Fighter?

 

[Infohawk]

"If they only attack only Iraqi police and only kill other Iraqis like the people in this recent attack. "
That's a big "if." I don't think any of the resistance are only attacking Iraqis. And even if they were, if they were attacking collaborators it is defendable.

"They attacked the Iraqi police because they were easier targets. "
All armed forces do this, don't they? Generally armed forces attack weak points in a progressive attempt to defeat the ennemy. Would you have expected the US armed forces to paradrop a couple guys into Berlin in WW2 because it was the hardest thing to do? Of course not. We should give the resistance the same benefits. If they want to start against the easier targets, good for them.

"If America was occupied, and instead of going after the occupiers because they had too much protection, you went after less heavily guarded Americans serving as police, and the whole occupation all you did was kill American police and poor American bystanders caught in the explosions, are you really considered an American Freedom Fighter?"
Yes, I think you would be a freedom fighter. Let us take the American Revolutionary War. Did they line up face to face with the English. No. They ambushed them. Why? It was easier? They were more vulnerable that way.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This will not stop until the United States leaves Iraq. Would Americans accept a foreign occupation, even if it claimed to be benign. Of course not, neither will they. Also, this is not just foreign terrorists. These are Iraqi freedom fighters. The sooner we leave and let the UN take over, the more lives we'll save.

We can't leave - there's a HUGE powervacuum in Iraq now and doing so would plunge the whole country into total anarchy. The second we started this war, there would be no turning back. Besides, the UN is unwilling to takeover an operation which it did not condone, nor does it have the manpower or resourcesto undertake such a task.

 

[Infohawk]

"Besides, the UN is unwilling to takeover an operation which it did not condone, nor does it have the manpower or resources to undertake such a task."
This is a reasonable assertion. However, I don't believe this is truly the case. I think the UN is not participating here and holding out because it was insulted as a whole by the US. It wants the US to wallow in its own filth. This is not right, but I think it's what theyr'e doing. If the UN came in, you would definitely get some other muslim countries involved and add legitimacy to the situation. If the US withdrew, admitted it treated the UN badly, admitted that the UN is not irrelevant, the international community would come to the aid of Iraq.

Also, I think we can agree no future is going to be bloodless in Iraq at this point. I contend there will be more lives saved if the US withdraws now (or in a reasonably short period with the aid of the UN).

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This will not stop until the United States leaves Iraq. Would Americans accept a foreign occupation, even if it claimed to be benign. Of course not, neither will they. Also, this is not just foreign terrorists. These are Iraqi freedom fighters. The sooner we leave and let the UN take over, the more lives we'll save.

We can't leave - there's a HUGE power vacuum in Iraq now and doing so would plunge the whole country into total anarchy. The second we started this war, there would be no turning back. Besides, the UN is unwilling to takeover an operation which it did not condone, nor does it have the manpower or resources to undertake such a task.

You are right and i have no idea how this power vaccuum will be dealt with, UN peace keeping forces is not an option while there are constant battles, those forces are not meant to fight an opposition, just to subdue individuals or smaller groups.

However, NATO forces could be brought in, doing pretty much what we did in Libia, Bosnia and Kosovo. I think that keeping current troops but putting them under NATO command and sending in NATO troops would help.

 

[maddogchen]

"If they only attack only Iraqi police and only kill other Iraqis like the people in this recent attack. "

That's a big "if." I don't think any of the resistance are only attacking Iraqis. And even if they were, if they were attacking collaborators it is defendable.

Maybe defendable by you, but most Iraqis and even Iraqi religious leaders have spoken out against attacking Iraqi police. They're doing their job of keeping fellow Iraqis safe from crime. All these attacks do is hurt Iraqis.

"They attacked the Iraqi police because they were easier targets. "

All armed forces do this, don't they? Generally armed forces attack weak points in a progressive attempt to defeat the ennemy. Would you have expected the US armed forces to paradrop a couple guys into Berlin in WW2 because it was the hardest thing to do? Of course not. We should give the resistance the same benefits. If they want to start against the easier targets, good for them.

At the start? its been a year. They're still hitting Iraqi police. Coalition supply lines are an easy target and it doesn't kill other Iraqis.

"If America was occupied, and instead of going after the occupiers because they had too much protection, you went after less heavily guarded Americans serving as police, and the whole occupation all you did was kill American police and poor American bystanders caught in the explosions, are you really considered an American Freedom Fighter?"

Yes, I think you would be a freedom fighter. Let us take the American Revolutionary War. Did they line up face to face with the English. No. They ambushed them. Why? It was easier? They were more vulnerable that way.

Hmm...your American Revolutionary war example didn't address what I said which was Americans fighting only against Americans. If all they did was go around killing Americans, would that have gotten the British to leave, no. Does the recent attack on Iraqi police put pressure on the British to leave? No.

Next, I'm pretty sure George Washington whipped the freedom fighters into shape and we lined up face to face against the English at the Battle of Yorktown. Basically it wasn't the ambushes that drove the British away, it was when the American revolutionary forces learned how to fight like an army, confronted the British on the field of battle, and with the help of the French, did they finally kick out the British.

 

[MegaWorks]

according to my uncles in Basra it was not bombs they saw missiles hitting cars near the police station. These were missiles fire from occupation forces to creat a chaos and to show the world that the occupation forces must stay in Iraq for security reasons. Terroists and all the stuff is just BS of the CIA

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
according to my uncles in Basra it was not bombs they saw missiles hitting cars near the police station. These were missiles fire from occupation forces to creat a chaos and to show the world that the occupation forces must stay in Iraq for security reasons. Terroists and all the stuff is just BS of the CIA

right...............

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
according to my uncles in Basra it was not bombs they saw missiles hitting cars near the police station. These were missiles fire from occupation forces to creat a chaos and to show the world that the occupation forces must stay in Iraq for security reasons. Terroists and all the stuff is just BS of the CIA

right...............

you don't have to believe me, but I'm the Iraqi and not you. Btw most of my family live in Basra so.....