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IdioticBuffoon

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'The greatest scientific discoveries are not announced by shouts of "Eureka" but by quiet musings of, "That's funny".'
 

MikeMike

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One thing that puzzles scientists is that the high temperature was achieved after the plasma?s ions should have been losing energy and cooling. Also, when the high temperature was achieved, the Z machine was releasing more energy than was originally put in, something that usually occurs only in nuclear reactions.

cool
 

nboy22

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My question is, How would it not melt everything around it at that temperature?
 

dawks

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That picture is more then 6 years old.. Interesting.

I'm still not sure of the source of this, but its damn cool.
 

OdiN

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Originally posted by: nboy22
My question is, How would it not melt everything around it at that temperature?

The amount of time it actually was that temperature was probably a very very small amount of time.
 

nboy22

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Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: nboy22
My question is, How would it not melt everything around it at that temperature?

The amount of time it actually was that temperature was probably a very very small amount of time.

So then that would require that it super cools really really really fast?
 

OdiN

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Originally posted by: nboy22
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: nboy22
My question is, How would it not melt everything around it at that temperature?

The amount of time it actually was that temperature was probably a very very small amount of time.

So then that would require that it super cools really really really fast?

Well...I think that it's just a reaction so it's a little different. They were probably using very small amounts of material. I don't know for sure, it was just a guess.
 

Atlantean

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That is amazingly hot, amazing the results they got from it... it actually produced more energy than what was put into it.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: nboy22
My question is, How would it not melt everything around it at that temperature?

The amount of time it actually was that temperature was probably a very very small amount of time.

and the plasma is contained in a magnetic field
 

Squisher

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Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
'The greatest scientific discoveries are not announced by shouts of "Eureka" but by quiet musings of, "That's funny".'


While watching the entire complex be destroyed in massive fireball, "Wow, that's funny."
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: nboy22
My question is, How would it not melt everything around it at that temperature?
The magnetic field probably keeps the plasma contained.
 

five40

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Yeah that's just a little scary. "We don't really know what the fvck is going on in there...all we know is that it's real hot". Am I the only one who finds this just a little bit scary? That's like playing with nukes and going...sorry we blew up the entire state...we where really just hoping for 1 square mile to disappear. I'm so glad I live far far far away from Albuquerque.
 

jagec

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That scenario sounds very similar to what they use for fusion reactors...maybe they figured out the secret to workable fusion? That would be way cool.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
One thing that puzzles scientists is that the high temperature was achieved after the plasma?s ions should have been losing energy and cooling. Also, when the high temperature was achieved, the Z machine was releasing more energy than was originally put in, something that usually occurs only in nuclear reactions.

cool

Naquada
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: nboy22
My question is, How would it not melt everything around it at that temperature?
The magnetic field probably keeps the plasma contained.

this is exactly why it didnt melt anything. remember people - temperature is a measure of kinetic energy. if the ions dont touch anything, they will not transfer any of their kinetic energy to the material around them.

there are other ways to contain plasma but the most prominent is non-uniform magnetic fields.

odin, plasma is by nature a high thermal energy state, so it was at that temperature for longer than just a little while.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: OulOat
How do you measure something that hot?

Maybe some type of IR thermometer? Dunno.

it can be measured by shooting heavy particles through it and detecting the deflection from the potentials found inside the plasma. the plasma adversely affects particles through potential differences (voltages) because the magnetic field causes currents in the plasma. the plasma ions will bounce back and forth in the tub, oscillating between under-damped, critically damped, and over-damped states.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: nboy22
My question is, How would it not melt everything around it at that temperature?
The magnetic field probably keeps the plasma contained.

this is exactly why it didnt melt anything. remember people - temperature is a measure of kinetic energy. if the ions dont touch anything, they will not transfer any of their kinetic energy to the material around them.

there are other ways to contain plasma but the most prominent is non-uniform magnetic fields.

odin, plasma is by nature a high thermal energy state, so it was at that temperature for longer than just a little while.

What about radiation?? The sun isn't touching the earth is it?
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: five40
Yeah that's just a little scary. "We don't really know what the fvck is going on in there...all we know is that it's real hot". Am I the only one who finds this just a little bit scary? That's like playing with nukes and going...sorry we blew up the entire state...we where really just hoping for 1 square mile to disappear. I'm so glad I live far far far away from Albuquerque.

it isnt scary if you know what the implications of this are. that in no way, shape, or form was or is dangerous to anyone living in albequerque. if it escaped its containment field, it wouldnt remain that hot for long. everyone in very close proximity would probably die, but it wouldnt make it out of the next few rooms before it "cooled off" (significantly reduced kinetic energy from collisions with oxygen and other atoms)