3 30" WideScreen CRT TV's Phillips outlet store

[maximusfarticus]

http://www.electronicsnation.com

I came across this refurb Philips dealer. Shipping is included in the price, so what you see it what you get. There's a standard 90 day warranty, more if you pay for it. They have in home service, so no shipping. It's pretty tempting, even after all of your stories.

 

[JC]

Paid about $450 for my 30PW8402 over a year ago, no problems at all.

It's a 140lb beast, yes, but it's got a great picture and it was cheap!

 

[Richardito]

Philips TV's are crap and Philips refurbished TV's are even more crap. I know from perosnnal experience. Please, stay away from those TV's for your own good.

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: Takemaru

What's the reason CRT HDTVs don't support 720p?

(....snip....)

1080i is really just interlaced 540p, the monitor in reality can only display 540 lines of actual picture at a time so it uses interlacing to provide the illusion of a higher res.

Correct. To display 720p would require a CRT TV capable of 1440i.
720p is down converted to 540p or 1080i (same thing).
That is easy to do. It is not easy to upconvert 1080i to 720p.

Think of computer CRT monitors. Old days we used to use "i", but no more.
Also, if a monitor supports 1024x768, you can not run 1280x1024, but you can run 800x600.

Most new LCD's and Plasma's support maximum resolution of 1366 X 768. (not this Phillips).
Again, it is easy for those to then show 720p and 540p (1080i). 768 is all you need.

It is cheaper to build 1080i than 720p, and consumers have long been fooled into thinking a larger number is all that matters, so 1080i is what the sales people are trained to push. What would you rather have, 8 gallons or 24 quarts?

This TV, like all Phillips CRT TV's, is pure junk. Avoid!!!!!

EDIT: (Or should I say EDTV). Did you wonder why they do not list the actual resolution these Phillips TV's can support? Because you would run away fast. How does 852X480 sound? Yep, 1080i (540p) is supported, but down converted to 960i (480p). Because it can receive and work with 1080i, they can indeed call it HDTV-compatible!!!

 

[PJABBER]

Guess I will chime in here as I got one of the 30" widescreen CRT sets about a year and a half ago on sale through the Philips Outlet for $320 delivered.

It arrived double boxed to my front doorstep. Though the outer box was too big to properly cushion the inner original box, it was not damaged in shipping. These TVs are heavy and bulky. I am pretty strong but it was a chore to manhandle the thing in. I expect with the weight and bulk of these sets and the fact that most delivery companies now seem to use single drivers, delivery will be a significant potential source for damage.

The TV label in the back was marked as remanufactured, but the set was absolutely pristine. Set up was a breeze and the picture was excellent after calibration with an AVIA dvd. I used it for about a year and then sold it to a neighbor who has had no problems with it either.

In terms of picture quality, I believe these sets are an excellent value, particularly if you take the time to do a half hour calibration. I have used lcds and plasmas and a CRT still sets the standard for color and smoothness of onscreen motion.

After trying an Olevia 42" LCD and returning it for what turned out to be a washed out screen and no off-axis picture quality, I picked up a remanufactured Philips 37" LCD 37PF7320A from Overstock.com. Excellent off-axis viewing quality and significantly better apparent contrast at the rated 800:1 vs the Olevias bs 1200:1 "dynamic" rating. Here the numbers do not show the reality - Philips offered a MUCH better screen.

I read the comments on AVSforum.com regularly and there are a lot of complaints there as well about Philips service. Haven't had to use it so I won't go there. In terms of quality of displays, I can and do recommend getting a Phillips for the great pricing and great picture quality and if you have some tolerance for the possible inconvenience of returning a defective set.

Also, I just glanced at the outlet site and they have a NEW 30PW9110D/37 at just $15 more than the refurb - $449.99 with free shipping. Myself, I would save up a bit more and get one of the plasmas for just under $1K, or wait another couple of months as the current generation of product comes under the crazy pricing pressures these things are facing - $750 for a 42" HDTV plasma or LCD anyone???

 

[tallest1]

I'm just gonna chime in and say that I've owned the 30PW9100D for more than a year and I haven't had a single problem with it. I bought it open-box from Best Buy for $700 at the time and now I use it to watch HDTV OTA and movies over component. No audio out for the HDMI though.

 

[IcBlUsCrn]

First i know this thread is old but since i had this tv ill say, Robstv said it best cant explain it easier then that.
So beware of tvs that dont support 720p.
also my x360 or my ps3 would not work when set to 720p, no such a big deal with the 360 but it is with the ps3, as it down converts.
another thing hooked up to dish network and set to 1080i , makes it look foggy.
So what did i like about it, well SDtv and digital cable looked good, x360 looked good.

 

[funboy6942]

When I had HD sat 1080I looked crystal clear and the the colors were bright on my set, it has a samsung tube in it and the supposedly make the best HD products so I trully dont understand the hate
Again you cant be expecting a $1500 set for $350. You need to be expecting a $350 set and if your standards are high WTF you even looking at this thing in the first place
Its a cheap way for poor sob's, like myself, to dip into hd and test the waters out before dropping a turd on a $multi thousand dollar$ set when the format hasnt even matured enough to warrant doing so.

If you got money to burn on bragging rights please by all mean go do so, if your broke ass poor, dont care much about whipping your e-penis out in front of your friends that much and making theirs look all puny, and want something to hold you over till the FCC and everyone gets their heads out of their asses and figures out when they are going to make it standard that everything is going to run in HD or digital for that matter without taking out a mortgage, the Phillips had been working fine for me going on a year, and for several others. Just dont have your standards to high and if they are dont buy the damn tv and set yourself up for disappointment, go buy the $1200 plasma. Plain and simple people sheech its a $350 HD tv with HDMI when lousy standard tvs are going for this much. Works more then perfect for a $350 tv with having HD as a plus to get you started.

 

[RobsTV]

funboy42, you made some very good points.
I wasn't even looking at the price!
I think many people that have been here a while see deals at 1/2 to 1/4 the going price as normal.
For example, bought a $200 7600GT for $50 on BF.
So mistakenly looked at this as a deal price, not a $400 TV price.
Sorry.
It is a $400 TV on a good day, if you get a good unit.
If you are like many Phillips owners, it is not worth $150 on a good day.
Although we techs love them!.
They keep me in business and give me extra cash to buy hot deals I find here!
Thanks for the post.

BTW, I still have a hard time beating the image quality of 100" DLP for under $800.
Just installed a new 42" $1400 Phillips LCD Sam's club special for a customer, and it makes the DLP loook like it should cost $8000. The LCD looks terrible, but since it is the customers first HDTV experience, they love it.

 

[funboy6942]

Well I had to make some because it makes no sense when some people jump in threads and go, "Why buy blah blah blah for $350 when for $790 you can get this". Well duh If I had $790 I would get that but I dont and this works great for $350 till I get $790, by that time something better will be out and the $790 thing will be $350
Gotta think the bigger picture, because some people can afford the panasonic suck me off 50" LCD/Plasma with wipe you clean tampon action for $2000 doesn't mean everyone can

Me, I can afford about.....tree fitty. And yes I love my 100" DLP projector too BUT I neded a tv for the bedroom so why should I spent the tree fitty on a sanyo POS standard tv when I can buy a POS Phillips with HD, and a Samsung Picture Tube, for the same price and give HD a try I had a 30" LCD hd (ha call it hd) at the same time and the picture couldnt touch the phillips and it cost me 3x as much. I sold the LCD and kept the POS Phillips. Sure its bigger, bulkier, but the picture looked a ton better then the LCD.

Anyway Im done with this thread, people can keep bumping and I will answer questions on the tv via PM's. Had to pop in for more 2 cents and make people, hopfully, understand I listed it for those looking to replace a broken cheap standard tv. Given the a option to try HD if they want to or for the same price go buy another standard tv. No skin off my back.

 

[GTFan]

If it's a POS and all the TV techs say it's a POS, why spend even $350 on it? That's a stupid comment to make given the known issues with these POS. You're both lucky and dumb, I guess.

 

[funboy6942]

I was being sarcastic, better check your meter

 

[Lurknomore]

I bought a Phillips 30 PW9110d with ATSC tuner over 3 months ago, after my 34" Sony with Super Fine Pitch starting "flashing" with a white electrical spark, sometimes 20 times consecutively. It got me to the point where, even with Phillips quality control issues, I took the gamble. I'm crossing my fingers now, it's past the warranty and who know when it too will go POOF!:Q

But the picture is outstanding, with much better deep colors and fine gradations than plasma, lcd or dlp. The fixed-panels actually have a higher resolution but crt is still the king, IMO. And funboy, I believe the tube inside is actually LG. Phillips has collaborated with LG in a joint venture, with LG actually doing most of the manufacturing.
If I recall correctly, the picture from my Phillips most closely resembles that of the LG30FZ4D, which has been discontinued for the slimfit models.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Lurknomore
I bought a Phillips 30 PW9110d with ATSC tuner over 3 months ago, after my 34" Sony with Super Fine Pitch starting "flashing" with a white electrical spark, sometimes 20 times consecutively. It got me to the point where, even with Phillips quality control issues, I took the gamble. I'm crossing my fingers now, it's past the warranty and who know when it too will go POOF!:Q

But the picture is outstanding, with much better deep colors and fine gradations than plasma, lcd or dlp. The fixed-panels actually have a higher resolution but crt is still the king, IMO. And funboy, I believe the tube inside is actually LG. Phillips has collaborated with LG in a joint venture, with LG actually doing most of the manufacturing.
If I recall correctly, the picture from my Phillips most closely resembles that of the LG30FZ4D, which has been discontinued for the slimfit models.

Well I know for 100% fact mine inside has a Samsung tube because I have had mine apart to do some personal fine tuning on the tube. I take all my tv's apart because I do not like the way they are set up from the factory most of the time this one wasnt as black as it could be so I pulled it apart and was surprised to see Samsung stickers slapped on the tube. Usually its the blacks are off or the focus isnt perfect, well not perfect as I would call it and it will bug me till I take it apart and just it and see if it can be set any better.

Maybe they are LG now but mine is deff a sammy saw it with my own two eyes

 

[luigionlsd]

I've had the 30PW8420/37B since late November, and I have to say it's been a wonderful TV so far. It doesn't have an ATSC tuner, but I subscribed to digital service from my cable provider (WOW), and it's great. I mainly bought it to have 16:9 widescreen for my gaming (360 now and i'll get a PS3 sooner or later). Also got the HD DVD drive for christmas, and the blacks look a lot better than on any LCD/DLP I've seen. While researching my purchase, I read reports of people saying the 8420 is more reliable, but as always YMMV.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: JC
Paid about $450 for my 30PW8402 over a year ago, no problems at all.

It's a 140lb beast, yes, but it's got a great picture and it was cheap!

Same here. Paid $318 for mine (had to pay tax since I live in Atlanta near a corp office) and it has been giving some of the best 1080i the world has ever seen everyday since. GameplayHD in 1080i is so sweet. I watched Quakecon2006 in full HD.

Another thing, I'm not sure where you guys get off bitching about the TV's in Hot Deals not having the tuner built in. It makes me wonder if you're not a bunch of kids or underinformed adults trying to rain on all these deals. The simple fact is the built in HD receiver is only useful for over the air HD broadcasts, which is the local channels and some extras. Well you get all that and more if you go with a respected HD provider like Dish Network so why bother paying extra for the built in reciever if you dont even need to use it? You guys crying about this in every thread just really make no sense to me and many of the others who have extensive firsthand experience with this equipment and the various avenues of use which they provide.

 

[GTFan]

Uh, I guess you've never heard of cable, or HD channels via QAM on cable. Whatever man, do some learnin' first. A lot of folks don't want sat OR a damn box that sucks power.

 

[maximusfarticus]

I definitely wouldn't say alot of people care about cable boxes. Especially when 99% of the people out there using HD won't use their tuner.